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Swedish Empire Ver.3.0

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From the mid 1600:th century to the early 1900:th century Sweden was one of the superpowers of Europe! Sheer size wise it was a huge empire! That empire proved to be hard to hold for very long especially as the Swedes kept advancing their positions. After fighting against Russia, Denmark, Norway, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Preussen and the Holy Roman Empire Sweden had to give back much of what it previously had gained. But the strategically and technology superior Swedes managed to keep expanding for more than 200 years! This map is an illustration of Sweden at it's peak while engaging in war with it's neighbors!
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I've had this map in the back of my head for the last year or so and thought I'd finally try to make something of it!
I've excluded the northernmost part of Sweden, Finland and Norway because it was practically no mans land at that time (still is in a way :P ) ! Swedish colonies in Europe that weren't noteworthy big enough have also been ignored and I've excluded the colonies Sweden had in North America and Africa. I've chosed to give the territories swedish names because I think it gives a better feel to the map but if a majority wants the regions in english then that's what we'll do! I'm not entirely new with photoshop as I've studied a course on how to use photoshop. However I'm new to map making and I'm new to Photoshop CS4 and there's a lot of new tools and so forth! So any general photoshop or map making advice is much appreciated!! This is of course just a first sketch as I've not been very thorough with the details! I plan to begin from scratch once the gameplay has been sorted out and I'll pay much more attention to details and colours (Swedish Empire will have a really cool pattern for example.) But almost everything that I envisioned is there on this first sketch so except for some style and class :P this is what I'd like to do!


Territories
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Total 78. Of which 61 are starting positions.

Western Swedish Empire has 11 regions;
(Småland, Öland, Västergötland, Östergötland, Värmland, Södermanland, Uppland, Stockholm, Dalarna, Hälsingland, Västerbotten)

Eastern Swedish Empire has 8 regions;
(Norra Österbotten, Kajanaland, Södra Österbotten, Satakunta, Finland, Savolax, Nyland, Vyborg)

Western Colonies has 7 regions;
(Jämtland, Bohuslän, Halland, Skåne, Bremen-Verden, Svenska Pommern, Gotland)

Eastern Colonies has 7 regions;
(Karelien, Ingermanland, Estland, Dagö-Ösel, Södra Livland, Norra Livland, Gotland)

(Western and Eastern Colonies share Gotland!)

Norway has 3 regions;
(Nordland, Stor Norge, Agder)

Denmark has 6 regions;
(Nordjylland, Sydjylland, Fyn, Lolland, Sjaeland, Köpenhamn)

Holy Roman Empire has 2 regions;
(Hertigdömet Mecklenburg and Furstendömet Brandenburg)

Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth has 3 regions;
(Polen, Norra Litauen, Södra Litauen)

Preussen has 1 region;
(Preussen)

Ryssland has 6 regions
(Southern Pskov, Northern Pskov, Murmansk, Södra Novgorod, Norra Novgorod, Ryska Karelien)

Bornholm is 1 region.
(Bornholm)

Trondelag is 1 region but can be a part of Norways bonus.
(Trondelag)

Åland is 1 region. Only part of the win condition.
(Åland)

Fleets has 12 region;
Swedish Empire Fleets;
(S1, S2, S3, S4, S5, S6)
Enemy Fleets;
(E1, E2, E3, E4, E5, E6)

Generals has 10 region;
(Jacob De la Gardie, Gustaf Gabrielsson Oxenstierna, Gabriel Spens, Sixten David Sparre, Christian of the Palatinate-Zweibrücken, Stanisław Poniatowski, Eugen Alexander Franz, Burkhard Christoph von Münnich, Jacob Bruce, Ulrik Christian Gyldenløve)

The Invasion Button is 1 region.


Bonuses
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Stockholm gives 2 troops in autodeploy bonus.
Köpenhamnn gives 1 troop in autodeploy bonus.
Norway gives 1 troop in bonus + 1 with Trondelag.
Trondelag if held without rest of Norway recedes 2 troops per turn until it turns neutral.
Denmark gives 4 troops in bonus + 2 troops with Bohuslän, Halland and Skåne.
Bornholm lowers your bonus with 1 troop per turn if held.
Holy Roman Empire gives 1 troop in bonus + 1 troop with Svenska Pommern and Bremen-Verden.
Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth gives 1 troop in bonus + 1 troop with Södra Livland and Preussen.
Russia gives 4 troops in bonus + 1 troop with Karelia + 1 troop with Ingermanland + 1 troops with Norra Livland.
Western Swedish Empire gives 9 troops in bonus.
Eastern Swedish Empire gives 7 troops in bonus.
4 Eastern Colonies gives 2 troops in bonus, 5 gives 3 troops, 6 gives 4 troops and 7 gives 6 troops.
4 Western Colonies gives 2 troops in bonus, 5 gives 3 troops, 6 gives 4 troops and 7 gives 6 troops.
2 troops in bonus for every 3:rd fleet who are part of the Swedish Empire.
2 troops in bonus for every 3:rd enemy fleet.
Hold 2 of the same resource to get 1 troop in bonus.
Generals regardless of country gives 1 troop for every 2 general held.


Win Condition;
Hold Western and Eastern Swedish Empire along with 8 of it's colonies to win the game.


Borders, neutral regions, bombardment and other features;
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The islands Dagö and Ösel are one region.
Dagö-Ösel can be reached through Estland and Gotland and it's fleet.
Gotland can be reached through it's fleet, Östergötland, Öland. Gotland can one way attack Dagö-Ösel.
Öland be reached through Småland, Gotland and it's fleet.
Åland can be reached through Uppland and Finland.
Bornholm can be reached through Skåne, Svenska Pommern och Lolland.
Fyn, Lolland and Sjaelland can reeach each other.
Fyn can reach Sydjylland.
Nordjylland can reach Bohuslän.
Shaelland can reach Skåne.
Stockholm can bombard all Empire and Colonial islands.
Köpenhamn can bombard Bohuslän, Halland, Skåne, Bornholm and Svenska Pommern.
Stockholm and Köpenhamn starts as 5 neutral troops.
Trondelag starts as 3 neutral troops.
Bornholm starts as 2 neutral troops.
Stockholm's and Köpenhamn's fleets starts as 2 neutral troops.
All other fleets starts as 3 neutral troops.
All fleets can attack the Invasion button.
The Invasion button can attack all fleets and you can advance troops and continue attacking like any other territ. It's also possible to reinforce through the Invasion button.
The Invasion button starts as 10 neutrals and reverts back to 10 neutral a round after it's been taken.
There are 2 types of Resources. Iron and Wood.
The iron is located in Västerbotten and Värmland.The wood is located Södra Österbotten, Kajanaland, Vyborg and Finland.
4 lakes and a mountain ridge between Sweden and Norway acts as an impassables around the map.
Generals and Fleets and the Invasion button are not part of any territory bonus.
Generals are starting positions while Fleets are not.
Åland is a part of the Swedish Empire win condition but is not required for either the Western or Eastern Swedish Empire bonus.
Stockholm is included in the Western Swedish Empire bonus.
Köpenhamn is included in the Denmark bonus.
Gotland is a part of both the Eastern and Western Colonies bonus.


I've been unable to name 3 russian territs (in either swedish or english or russian) and I've not given the fleets any names yet and I've not looked up names of any well known generals, but I will do all that tommorow! I've also not yet made the circles where the troops should be placed! I'm torn between thinking the map is balanced gameplay wise to it being very unbalanced so I'm not really sure! The southern parts of the maps are favoured bonus wise but at the same time most of them are easy to attack from behind through the Invasion Button and some can be bombarded from Stockholm and Köpenhamn.

Unfortunately the Legend isn't very well organized and doesn't contain all the neccessary info. Gotlands one way attack route isn't stated and some colours there doesn't resemble the actual colour on the map. So there are plenty of things to work on :) !

All input are welcomed :D !

More additional thoughts;

At one point I also had in mind battlefield bonuses and battle oriented territs (like Army #1,2,3) ! Does anyone think I should try to incorporate that to this map and in that case should I remove the General territs? I abandoned the idea because it would even further tilt the bonus down south and leave the north regions quite pale in bonuses! I've also tried to incorporate the Hanseatic League but since it was located in the south like the battlefields it has the same effect!
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Re: Swedish Empire

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Nice nice!
Like you say there's a lot going on, but I suspect a clearer legend will clear most of it up.

I can only find 7 colonies (6 western, 1 eastern), yet you need 8 to win?
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Re: Swedish Empire

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I like the idea of a Swedish Empire Map.

Though I would like to see better graphics.

Also the borders are very off A.K.A Preussens location is off + it has more territory.

I also would like to probaly associate this with the Great Northern War era borders mayby.

You have my full support. ;)
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Re: Swedish Empire

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Riskismy wrote:Nice nice!
Like you say there's a lot going on, but I suspect a clearer legend will clear most of it up.

I can only find 7 colonies (6 western, 1 eastern), yet you need 8 to win?
First I'd like to say thank you for commenting on my post! I love feedback!

I think the main reason you don't see all the colonies is because of the Legend! It's a mess :) ! The Eastern Colonies are; Karelien, Ingermanland, Estland, Dagö-Ösel, Södra Livland, Norra Livland and Gotland .The Western Colonies are Jämtland, Bohuslän, Halland, Skåne, Bremen-Verden, Svenska Pommern and Gotland. Note that Gotland is a part of both Eastern and Western Colonies so I've tried to give it a mixture of both in colour but it haven't worked out so far! So the total number of colonies are 13! I think the rest of the eastern and western colonies have enough distinctive colour differances to make it visible! (Feel free to object this if you don't agree!) 8 colonies are needed along with entire western empire, eastern empire and Åland to win the game! (as it is now)
24Keyser wrote:I like the idea of a Swedish Empire Map.

Though I would like to see better graphics.

Also the borders are very off A.K.A Preussens location is off + it has more territory.

I also would like to probaly associate this with the Great Northern War era borders mayby.

You have my full support. ;)
Thanks for commenting you too!!

Yes the graphics are not the best right now but I've payed more attention to gameplay than graphics so far but I'll definately keep improving on the graphics! You bring up an interesting point about the borders! There are several areas that needs to be adjusted to real life, Jämtland, Preussen, Östergötland, Karelien Bremen-Verden comes to mind I'll see to that as well. I don't agree with you about that Presussen needs another territ though!

This is an image of the Swedish Empire and it's enemy's. And I'm getting the impression that Poland is closing Prussia between itself and Lithuania but I might be wrong! This is something I'll look into more closely and if Prussia indeed holds that entire stretch I currently think is polish then of course I'll have to change it accordingly! I searched for "Great Northern War" but couldn't find any topic on CC that deals with that theme!
Thanks for the support BTW!
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I'll upload another version later today where I've given all territs names and worked on the Legend! If I have time to it I'll also look into exactly where the borders will be and work a bit more on the colour scheme!
If there's anything you like to comment on don't hesitate to post it!
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Re: Swedish Empire

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Simplify. I can't make heads or tails of this map.
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Re: Swedish Empire

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Version 2
I haven't done all that I thought I'd do but I'll put up another update tommorow!
What I've done here is that I've changed the colour scheme on both the western and eastern empire as well as the colonies. I tried to make it more clear what's what since I've gotten feedback about it being hard to identify the colonies! I hope the Legend is better now (at least the part I've updated) I worked on it with the intention of making it easier to identify the bonuses and understand the map. Some things that are supposed to be there aren't there but I'll see to it later. I've got a lot of space for the Legend on this map so I expect the Legend to be very good when this is all done!
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In the next update I'll name the reminding territs and continue working on the Legend! I'd love some opinions about the Legend! Is it better now than it used to be? What can I do to improve it? There are a lot of things the legend needs to contain to explain this map so I can see myself working quite a lot on it!
Industrial Helix wrote:Simplify. I can't make heads or tails of this map.
I think the Legend is clearer now but I assume you're refering to the map being too complex!? I don't think it's the gameplay that's too complex but rather the Legend's inability to display what's on the map and the colour scheme that makes it hard to grasp! There are a lot of maps with more complex gameplay than this that works fine so I think that as long as I'll keep improving the Legend It'll be easier and easier to understand the map! What do you think?
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Re: Swedish Empire Ver.2.0

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It's probably on your to-do list, but you're not explaining the resources in the legend.
Also, I think you should try to fit in the complete name of the extra-bonuses (e.g. "Russia 4 +1 w/ka +1 w/In +1 w/Nol"), or at least a bit more of it.
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Re: Swedish Empire Ver.2.0

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I can't even make out what the items are in the legend... they're pixelated and unrecognizable.
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Re: Swedish Empire Ver.2.0

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Okay so here's version 3
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I've named the Generals after real life generals of that time but I haven't checked that they neccesarily had anything to do with the battles portraited here! With the fleets I made it easy and named them S1 - S6 and E1 - E6 (abb to Swedish and Enemy)!
The 3 russian territs have now also been named and I've added all the info necessary to the Legend including abbreviations that weren't there before!
Riskismy wrote: I think you should try to fit in the complete name of the extra-bonuses
I don't think the entire names of extra bonuses will fit so I'm having the abbreviations there to explain it! What do you think about that?
Industrial Helix wrote:I can't even make out what the items are in the legend... they're pixelated and unrecognizable.
Improving the graphics is next on my list of things to do! It all looks kinda crappy and I'm not satisfied with anything on this map graphic wise! But the round gray thing is Iron and the light brown thing below is Wood! The items in the Legend are identical to those on the map so it's not a Legend thing but an entire map thing! But apart from graphics what do you think about the map? Gameplay and/or idea? I haven't put down any time on graphics really and I'll use much better tools soon when I'll make version 4! I'm not really worried about the graphics beacuse I know I can do that a lot better but the gameplay is pretty much the best I can come up with so any comments on that would be very useful!!!

It's my birthday this saturday :P so I won't get anything done during the weekend! And giving the map a new look graphic wise will take some time so I think my next update will be within about a week! I'll stop by and read any comments being posted so keep letting me know what you guys think!!!!
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Re: Swedish Empire Ver.3.0

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What graphics software are you using?
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Re: Swedish Empire Ver.3.0

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I think the update will have to wait for a while :( ! I've got other things that's taking time now and on CC I'm organizing tournaments! I'll make that update ones I get time for it!
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Re: Swedish Empire Ver.3.0

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I think I'll have to push the next update until summer when I can start working on it again! I'll continue organizing tournaments and start being active in a clan but this map thing is really time consuming so I'll have to push it for the future! But I'll get back to this sometime so please don't delete it mods ;) !
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Nothing will be deleted. It may be moved to the recycling bin, where it can be moved back from when you make your next update. :)
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Re: Swedish Empire Ver.3.0

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[Moved]

It would appear that development of this map has stalled. If the mapmaker wants to continue with the map, then one of the Foundry Moderators will be able to help put the thread back into the Foundry system, after an update has been made. ;-)
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