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Is Commander guilty?

Postby angola on Mon Apr 25, 2011 5:14 am

Everything I know about Commander (which is anecdotal) says he is innocent.

Everything King Achilles (who I think does a fantastic job [and that wasn't a cock-suck toward team CC]) says is that Commander is up to no good.

So, what is it?

Is there truth that Commander went to class that day? Is there truth that he skipped and created all those games, and shredded his teammates?

Just wondering what the real story is here.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby eddie2 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:11 am

the way it looks is that even if he was to be cleared of the point dumping side (which nobody has ever ?ed the ip evidence the mods use.) then he is still looking at a ban for using pimphawks account getting him a 24 hour ban. then knowing how far that goes he then starts using 40kguys account. i am sorry but he is saying his account was abused but has abused one players (to the extent of a ban) and possibly anothers.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby karelpietertje on Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:25 am

What happened?
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby Fruitcake on Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:43 am

I really hope it wasn't him.

I was amazed to see that the Great Law of not passing out PWs to the great unwashed outside of the donkey riders clan was broken, but not surprised when one of them jumped in and said:

well, none of the three are THOTA members....and it looks like one of them may be accountable for what is happening.


Perhaps the clan are finding themselves rudderless, bereft of the Great and Dear Leaderene they are so used to having? I cannot understand how such a great and glorious clan such as the donkey riders from the shire can have allowed this to happen. Is the world going to hell?

The cc community should follow the donkey riders example and spend their time on their knees..... however, the great unwashed that is you and me dear reader (unless, of course, you happen to be one of those famed donkey riders) would be praying that this cataclysmic chain of events they seem to be suffering recently is not indicative of a general malaise.

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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby trapyoung on Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:58 am

I wholeheartedly doubt Commander is guilty.

I disagree with eddie's post that because Commander used pimphawks account to contest the guesting of his account, then he deserves a 24 hour site ban. That rule is just stupid, of course there are certain contingencies that warrant disregarding the plain face of the rules and when your account is locked, making it so you cannot log in or post and your only option is the e-ticket, the most overrated and under explained facet of the site, then what Commander did was reasonable.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby trapyoung on Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:09 am

A severe revision of C&A policy and perhaps C&A moderators is needed. Just reading through the Commander thread, it just comes off as Orwell's Thought Police.

The community plead for the Blitz case to be re-opened and the site obliged. You cannot really get angry people are posting their opinion and there is such a great amount of site involvement in this decision because you established the precedent that user opinion can impact decisions. If the first decision for Blitz was right or wrong, it is besides the point.

I think khaz nailed it on the head, just because you are unable to locate or identify who abused Commander's account does not mean that you need to hold Commander guilty for the acts. All that would do is alienate members from the site. Too long has C&A conducted itself with an air of superiority in a shroud of secrecy and as a result all the decisions come across as ad hoc and unprincipled.

Decisions, evidence and findings must all be published. You need to explain that one IP address accessed Commander's account and it was the same IP address before Commander left for his vacation. There is no transparency in C&A, users have no idea what is permitted or not. Really C&A should employ someone to go through similar cases and write down a common principled ideal that reflects how C&A has decided guilt and accorded punishment because currently the system has all the credibility of North Korea.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby SirSebstar on Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:42 am

Blitz case was reopened. Then they found that the period involved for the first verdict meant that the periode after the creation of the original report left cases unchallanged and they came with a verdict for those cases too. Reopened based on outcry, but the verdict was based on factual information.

You seriously expect every single way of how C&A monitors to be revealed? If it has been said that commander's IP was involved in the pointdumping, then what more do YOU need? This is most of all a case between management and the alleged offender. So however management feels to keep the peace and supposed integrity of the site is basicly up to manangement. I do not claim it was just, i have no way to measure it, but i do have reason to believe that mistakes can be made, and if so will be rectified later. It is no deathpenalty here, no permanent damage. You can come back and complain if you disagree with the verdict.

There are ways of doing things however, hyjacking an account to make statements is moronic in my view. You know you are not doing yourself or any other member any service. if there was any way to need to acces someone on the site, he should have used the e-ticket, email or any other means, but less public way of communications

As to the availiability and visiability of the e-ticket system/ emails or any other method of recourse. well. i assume that could be improved, but a member of his long standing should know that was not the way forward, by doing himself and others this kind of damage.

it remains that somehow the ip of commander seems to be used. I do not know how, but i would suggest that commander should take a real good look at someone else then the c&a mods.

and on a final note, there are many banned (temporarely or not) players that feel they have never done anything wrong. And they state that loud and clear. it does not make it true though, as most of use seem to know too.

the truth, i do not know about the pointdumping. i cincerly hope there was either a roommate, strange hack(er) or aliens involved. As to the highjacking of accounts of others.. serious ouch man, what were you thinking!
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby TheSaxlad on Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:54 am

If Commander can prove his whereabouts, could it be someone on his IP adress? perhaps commanders wife or children? Maybe he needs to look further than CC.

Also wasnt the rule that when point dumping occured they hold the account in stasis then re-open it when the person comes back.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby trapyoung on Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:59 am

SirSebstar wrote:Blitz case was reopened. Then they found that the period involved for the first verdict meant that the periode after the creation of the original report left cases unchallanged and they came with a verdict for those cases too. Reopened based on outcry, but the verdict was based on factual information.

You seriously expect every single way of how C&A monitors to be revealed? If it has been said that commander's IP was involved in the pointdumping, then what more do YOU need? This is most of all a case between management and the alleged offender. So however management feels to keep the peace and supposed integrity of the site is basicly up to manangement. I do not claim it was just, i have no way to measure it, but i do have reason to believe that mistakes can be made, and if so will be rectified later. It is no deathpenalty here, no permanent damage. You can come back and complain if you disagree with the verdict.

There are ways of doing things however, hyjacking an account to make statements is moronic in my view. You know you are not doing yourself or any other member any service. if there was any way to need to acces someone on the site, he should have used the e-ticket, email or any other means, but less public way of communications

As to the availiability and visiability of the e-ticket system/ emails or any other method of recourse. well. i assume that could be improved, but a member of his long standing should know that was not the way forward, by doing himself and others this kind of damage.

it remains that somehow the ip of commander seems to be used. I do not know how, but i would suggest that commander should take a real good look at someone else then the c&a mods.

and on a final note, there are many banned (temporarely or not) players that feel they have never done anything wrong. And they state that loud and clear. it does not make it true though, as most of use seem to know too.

the truth, i do not know about the pointdumping. i cincerly hope there was either a roommate, strange hack(er) or aliens involved. As to the highjacking of accounts of others.. serious ouch man, what were you thinking!


The Blitz case was re-opened because C&A dismissed the case too quickly, without hearing or allowing evidence to be built. That is my critique, there is no transparent process in C&A and it comes off as if favoritism or blind ignorance is the vogue tactic of the week.

I do expect C&A to give a reasoned explanation why a decision was made. C&A only said "all evidence suggests Commander point dumped" - what the f*ck does that mean? There was no indication of IP addresses, suspicious pm's, etc. It's as if every court opinion was one sentence long, "[x] is guilty of tax fraud." Well which part is guilty of tax fraud? If everything they did was wrong, say it. If it was only one part, say it. If the decisions come across as unprincipled then (1) you create no guideline for users to abide and (2) you garner no respect for the process that encourages members to abide.

As a moderator for the site, perhaps the secret forums allow you to communicate with other moderators quickly and get answers when you need them. As someone who has used the e-ticket system, I have found it seriously flawed. I submitted an abuse e-ticket and did not receive a response for over a month. When I was contacted Andy cleared up some disagreement I had between myself and a moderator, but when I asked if my file would remove the warning I had received, he responded that since it was just a warning there was no harm, no foul. Tell that to me next time when my next punishment, which will actually be my first infraction gets me a temporary ban? Wait another month to have the issue sorted to have a mod shaft me?

I entirely understand why Commander would want to publicly discuss his situation instead of allow behind the door conversations where mods can [mis]construe his statements as they see fit. At least posting in the public forum ensures that due consideration is received from the community and creates some safeguard against ad hoc moderation.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby SirSebstar on Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:08 am

Oh I do understand the want to discuss things in the open..
But at least then be fair. Disclose those parts of the truth you'd rather have hidden. Perhaps show why you have had a spat with a mod, and well i cannot acces your disiplinary logs, but hey, a warning is a warning. So if you get a double shaft when you do it for real, I can see the reason. Ofcourse they could also boot you entirly.. there are guidelines, not commandment in stone....

Dont be annoying is a hard line to follow, but then for some it seems to be too hard

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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby jpcloet on Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:28 am

Why does the truth matter, is Commander not responsible for the actions of his account. If Commander did it himself, then punishment is fair. If someone else did it (yet to be proven or confirmed) then Commander has certainly learned a lesson about protecting his account. If you want to blame CC for anything, let it be that there is no account sitting feature and outlawing direct sign ins to another persons account.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby jefjef on Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:29 am

I do expect C&A to give a reasoned explanation why a decision was made.


King achilles had a very good and sufficiently detailed reply in that thread. All evidence shows commander is the culprit.

And then he misuses his "friends" accounts. I saw that pimphawks got a 24hour, rightly so, and I would also expect some kind of punishment for 40k.

They both need to be sure to thank him.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby eddie2 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:14 am

trapyoung wrote:I wholeheartedly doubt Commander is guilty.

I disagree with eddie's post that because Commander used pimphawks account to contest the guesting of his account, then he deserves a 24 hour site ban. That rule is just stupid, of course there are certain contingencies that warrant disregarding the plain face of the rules and when your account is locked, making it so you cannot log in or post and your only option is the e-ticket, the most overrated and under explained facet of the site, then what Commander did was reasonable.


i think you missed what i was saying trapyoung.

pimphawk recieved a 24 hour ban for commander using his account. so how does he act after that he starts using 40kguys account. i cannot really comment on commander as a person or his previous track record. but surely his using pimphawks account (to the extent of a ban for pimphawk) he should of stopped using other players accounts, but how does he react he uses another players account to post. putting that guy in line for a ban. seems to me he don't really give a crap about who he is harming with his actions.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby jackal31 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 10:38 am

Fruitcake wrote:I really hope it wasn't him.

I was amazed to see that the Great Law of not passing out PWs to the great unwashed outside of the donkey riders clan was broken, but not surprised when one of them jumped in and said:

well, none of the three are THOTA members....and it looks like one of them may be accountable for what is happening.


Perhaps the clan are finding themselves rudderless, bereft of the Great and Dear Leaderene they are so used to having? I cannot understand how such a great and glorious clan such as the donkey riders from the shire can have allowed this to happen. Is the world going to hell?

The cc community should follow the donkey riders example and spend their time on their knees..... however, the great unwashed that is you and me dear reader (unless, of course, you happen to be one of those famed donkey riders) would be praying that this cataclysmic chain of events they seem to be suffering recently is not indicative of a general malaise.

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You sir, are a complete *edited*!

I love how you twist messages around and make your own opinions and assertations about people. Obviously, you know the passion that THOTA has as a group. We all respect each other and understand mistakes can take place. However, to say there is someone within the clan that may have done this is really going out on a limb. Do you have people in your clan that are not trustworthy? We all trust each other, and if that trust is broken, then of course action will be taken.

I trust everyone in my clan. I shot from the hip with that statement, and apologized publicly for it too. But, why does it matter what clan I'm in? The same statement applies as to trust within the clan and acknowledging it may cause problems to give your pw to people outside the membership of it. The people Comm passed his pw to arent THOTA members, and for that reason, I made that statement. That is all!
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby Dustine on Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:39 am

I can't believe so many of you are offended by my use of others' accounts.
This is the only way I can communicate and talk to the public about the fate of my own case!
Clearly, if I dealt with the mods alone, it wouldn't help me. They have made their decision.
Trap is the only one who thinks this rule is bullshit? How is that possible?

Anyhow, on to more important things.
I live at home (school is 5 mins away) with my parents and my younger brother.
I already told them about this debacle, and they were all sympathetic.
But I guess there's no harm in asking them explicitly whether or not they did this. Not a chance in hell they did, though.

You say the IP says my computer did this? What does that mean? Do you have me logged in at 9:00 (when this happened)?
I'm not quite sure when I played that day. It may have been 7:30-8, but it could have been 8-8:30. Dunno.
Btw, I rarely log off. Unless a robber comes into my home, no one touches CC. No one.

With all that being said, I do not understand what happened. I sent my password to 3 of my closest friends.
By the way, jpcloet, I do not consider that irresponsible. If I were not in a clan, this would be a non-issue.
I'm sure plenty of people send their password to 3 friends when they go on vacation.

Anyhow, the very next day, disaster occurred. The asshole suicided on my teammates in 10-15 games. What a douche.

Thanks for your time... that is all I know.

Trap, I love you.

Ljex, where you at?
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby jefjef on Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:47 am

Dustine wrote:I can't believe so many of you are offended by my use of others' accounts.
This is the only way I can communicate and talk to the public about the fate of my own case!


What do you not understand? IT IS A RULES VIOLATION FOR YOU OR ANYONE TO POST USING SOMEONE ELSE'S ACCOUNT. Why are you doing this to your friends?

If you really have something you can access whoevers account and pm them. (from Dustine to Dustine) and let them decide if they want to post on your behalf but for you to repeatably violate others account and subject them to discipline says a lot about your character.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby jpcloet on Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:48 am

Dustine wrote:With all that being said, I do not understand what happened. I sent my password to 3 of my closest friends.
By the way, jpcloet, I do not consider that irresponsible. If I were not in a clan, this would be a non-issue.


I did not say it was irresponsible. It my be unfortunate, but you are held responsible for the account activity. If you were not in a clan, it would still be an issue, but less known amongst the community. Did not help that you and another clan member have had issues/problems around the same time.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby Dustine on Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:57 am

:lol: Get lost, jefjef! I couldn't care less what you, of all people, think of my character.


jpcloet wrote:I did not say it was irresponsible. It my be unfortunate, but you are held responsible for the account activity

Yeah, good point.

But that doesn't mean this was my fault.
It's like I got in a car accident with a drunk driver.
Sure, I shouldn't have been going to pick up condoms at midnight on a Friday night.
But am I the one going to jail, even if the drunk driver escapes? Of course not.


jpcloet wrote:Did not help that you and another clan member have had issues/problems around the same time.

No, it probably didn't. Truth be told, I wasn't following the Blitz thread very thoroughly.
But whatever. Entirely different circumstances, and it shouldn't factor in.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby eddie2 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:07 pm

Dustine wrote:I can't believe so many of you are offended by my use of others' accounts.
This is the only way I can communicate and talk to the public about the fate of my own case!
Clearly, if I dealt with the mods alone, it wouldn't help me. They have made their decision.
Trap is the only one who thinks this rule is bullshit? How is that possible?

Anyhow, on to more important things.
I live at home (school is 5 mins away) with my parents and my younger brother.
I already told them about this debacle, and they were all sympathetic.
But I guess there's no harm in asking them explicitly whether or not they did this. Not a chance in hell they did, though.

You say the IP says my computer did this? What does that mean? Do you have me logged in at 9:00 (when this happened)?
I'm not quite sure when I played that day. It may have been 7:30-8, but it could have been 8-8:30. Dunno.
Btw, I rarely log off. Unless a robber comes into my home, no one touches CC. No one.

With all that being said, I do not understand what happened. I sent my password to 3 of my closest friends.
By the way, jpcloet, I do not consider that irresponsible. If I were not in a clan, this would be a non-issue.
I'm sure plenty of people send their password to 3 friends when they go on vacation.

Anyhow, the very next day, disaster occurred. The asshole suicided on my teammates in 10-15 games. What a douche.

Thanks for your time... that is all I know.

Trap, I love you.

Ljex, where you at?


fluck sake commander you are really not proving anything here apart from you don't give a shit about anybody but yourself. send pms behind closed doors dont post in public forums about it. you already had 1 player recieve a 24 hour ban because you would not listen. now you have abused 2 more players accounts by posting in forums with them.

stop posting in the forums you are not helping your case you are making it worse it takes on average 1 week for them to work this out but what you have done is nothing better thabn what happened in the buddysystem case he was close to getting his account reopened and squandered it by opening a multi this is the 3rd players account you have abused.

quote from blitz case.
> Because of this, now future cases where it seems that an Account being maintained by Account Sitters has been abandoned for the foreseeable future, that is, that Account Sitting would seem to perpetuate indefinitely, the Account will be suspended from the website until the original owner can file an E-ticket to claim it back under their own power and responsibility.


you could be affecting loads of games.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby Serbia on Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:09 pm

jefjef wrote:
Dustine wrote:I can't believe so many of you are offended by my use of others' accounts.
This is the only way I can communicate and talk to the public about the fate of my own case!


What do you not understand? IT IS A RULES VIOLATION FOR YOU OR ANYONE TO POST USING SOMEONE ELSE'S ACCOUNT. Why are you doing this to your friends?

If you really have something you can access whoevers account and pm them. (from Dustine to Dustine) and let them decide if they want to post on your behalf but for you to repeatably violate others account and subject them to discipline says a lot about your character.


I rarely ever agree with jefjef, but he's spot on in this case.
Like it or not, it is a rules violation for you to continue to post from another's account. And think of it this way - when trying to defend yourself from accusations that you "violated the rules", do you think the best way to go about it is to publicly "violate the rules", PROVING yourself to be a shameless rules violator? You're not helping yourself, you're not helping your friends.

If I were in THOTA, I'd be changing my password PRONTO, and suggesting to everyone else in the clan to do the same. And if this were happening in my clan (Generation One), I'd even bring up removing you from the clan altogether, because right now you're showing yourself to be anything BUT a friend.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby jpcloet on Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:10 pm

Dustine wrote:It's like I got in a car accident with a drunk driver.


No this is like handing your keys to someone who is drunk. In this case you couldn't tell they were drunk. They then smash your car and run off.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby Dustine on Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:13 pm

jpcloet wrote:No this is like handing your keys to someone who is drunk. In this case you couldn't tell they were drunk. They then smash your car and run off.

:lol: Perhaps, perhaps. I suck at analogies... let's stop.



Still not sure why we're discussing my account sitting and not the fact that I'm completely and totally innocent of point-dumping.

But, all right. I'll stop posting unless I see something I really need to respond to.

I'd appreciate it if we could stop discussing the account sitting, as much as I agree with Trap's views on the subject.



Let's get back to more important things.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby Fruitcake on Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:35 pm

jackal31 wrote:Obviously, you know the passion that THOTA has as a group



Well yes Jackal, I realised just how passionate the donkey riders are when I saw this last year:
http://www.grapheine.com/bombaytv/movie ... 3f552.html
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby jackal31 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:36 pm

I no longer believe this is Commander posting here....I have sent a personal message to Commander in our off site. If this is the real Commander, please to there and post. Thank you.
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Re: Is Commander guilty?

Postby Bones2484 on Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:38 pm

jackal31 wrote:I no longer believe this is Commander posting here....I have sent a personal message to Commander in our off site. If this is the real Commander, please to there and post. Thank you.


So it's more likely that Dustine's account is now also compromised, or Dustine is faking it?


Seems rather unlikely, to me. If it's true, it would appear as though THOTA has even more problems.
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