Osama bin Laden is dead

[BigBallinStalin]

Are you trolling?


"God Bless America" after some wild rant?

You have to be a troll.

THere's no way you truly believe such dumb shit.

[stahrgazer]

Are you trolling?
"God Bless America" after some wild rant?
You have to be a troll.
THere's no way you truly believe such dumb shit.

If you read ALL history, you'd understand those rants aren't wild. Calling someone a dumb shit is more "troll" than logically rejecting an argument that the poster himself admitted was "retarded" when he made it.

I happen to like my country.

GOD BLESS THE USA

there, like that one better?

[radiojake]

Are you trolling?
"God Bless America" after some wild rant?
You have to be a troll.
THere's no way you truly believe such dumb shit.

If you read ALL history, you'd understand those rants aren't wild. Calling someone a dumb shit is more "troll" than logically rejecting an argument that the poster himself admitted was "retarded" when he made it.

I happen to like my country.

GOD BLESS THE USA

there, like that one better?

You happen to like your country... that is nice. You said you don't believe in a deity, but you continue to ask one to bless your country. That is interesting.

I have pointed out a number of time of US imperialistic actions and occupations, but you have decided to flat out ignore them and deny their existence. I've already posted this link, < http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le6308.htm > but I don't know if you have read it. Do you object to these claims?

I admitted one of my arguments was 'retarded' because it was made in jest and sarcasm to point out the ridiculousness of your original post. I think you are an ignorant fucktard - Don't worry, I think over 90% (probably more) of people fit into this category. CONTINUE TO CONSUME AND REMOVE ALL CRITICAL THOUGHT. BE A PATRIOT!

[BigBallinStalin]

Are you trolling?
"God Bless America" after some wild rant?
You have to be a troll.
THere's no way you truly believe such dumb shit.

If you read ALL history, you'd understand those rants aren't wild. Calling someone a dumb shit is more "troll" than logically rejecting an argument that the poster himself admitted was "retarded" when he made it.

I happen to like my country.

GOD BLESS THE USA

there, like that one better?

I'm not convinced. I think you're still think you're a troll.


Present a clear argument about the effectiveness or lack of effectiveness in killing Osama bin Laden in order to solve the problem of Al-Qaida. Go!

[codeblue1018]

always bet on black...-the black jesus

[codeblue1018]

@ sax - while reading this entire thread, I came across your first post, second, third; yada yada yada and came to the realization that you should probably purchase a one way ticket to the middle east, settle in some taliban town and live life scared as most of those poor people do. You criticize the American government for searching for and ultimately killing that murderer, obl? I pity you! War is war-innocent people die as sad as that is, however, you fail to reflect on the thousands of people that perished across the globe due to that demon; including our military personal and several other nations military staff fighting for a ritious cause. I don't expect you to have the same beliefs but dammit, support the people that are trying to rid the world of these monsters who have one goal; killing people that don't adapt to their cultural values! FFS sax, get a clue!!

[Army of GOD]

My statements weren't retarded, but we'll agree that yours were -as you've admitted.

The US isn't an imperialist nation.

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[TA1LGUNN3R]

@ sax - while reading this entire thread, I came across your first post, second, third; yada yada yada and came to the realization that you should probably purchase a one way ticket to the middle east, settle in some taliban town and live life scared as most of those poor people do. You criticize the American government for searching for and ultimately killing that murderer, obl? I pity you! War is war-innocent people die as sad as that is, however, you fail to reflect on the thousands of people that perished across the globe due to that demon; including our military personal and several other nations military staff fighting for a ritious cause. I don't expect you to have the same beliefs but dammit, support the people that are trying to rid the world of these monsters who have one goal; killing people that don't adapt to their cultural values! FFS sax, get a clue!!

lol.

-TG

[radiojake]

@ sax - .... I don't expect you to have the same beliefs but dammit, support the people that are trying to rid the world of these monsters who have one goal; killing people that don't adapt to their cultural values! FFS sax, get a clue!!

Oh the irony - Now while I can´t say for sure, but I would put money on that exact sentiment being used by Islamic extremists trying to recruit people to their cause.

I can´t speak for Saxi, but I think his general attitude is that to suggest the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians, which have been a result of imperialistic actions (under the guise of ´revenge´and ´justice´), can not be supported by any reasonable, empathetic human being.

The smoke and mirrors effect of the jingoist mindset alongside the hegemony of consumption has become a reliable mix in clouding the reality that Western foreign policy is to perpetuate and continue imperialism (sold as ´democracy´ and underpinned by the pretense of a global economy and free trade consumption).

[codeblue1018]

@ sax - while reading this entire thread, I came across your first post, second, third; yada yada yada and came to the realization that you should probably purchase a one way ticket to the middle east, settle in some taliban town and live life scared as most of those poor people do. You criticize the American government for searching for and ultimately killing that murderer, obl? I pity you! War is war-innocent people die as sad as that is, however, you fail to reflect on the thousands of people that perished across the globe due to that demon; including our military personal and several other nations military staff fighting for a ritious cause. I don't expect you to have the same beliefs but dammit, support the people that are trying to rid the world of these monsters who have one goal; killing people that don't adapt to their cultural values! FFS sax, get a clue!!

lol.

-TG

Feel free to make an argument TG since there is something "funny" that you read.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

@ sax - while reading this entire thread, I came across your first post, second, third; yada yada yada and came to the realization that you should probably purchase a one way ticket to the middle east, settle in some taliban town and live life scared as most of those poor people do. You criticize the American government for searching for and ultimately killing that murderer, obl? I pity you! War is war-innocent people die as sad as that is, however, you fail to reflect on the thousands of people that perished across the globe due to that demon; including our military personal and several other nations military staff fighting for a ritious cause. I don't expect you to have the same beliefs but dammit, support the people that are trying to rid the world of these monsters who have one goal; killing people that don't adapt to their cultural values! FFS sax, get a clue!!

lol.

-TG

Feel free to make an argument TG since there is something "funny" that you read.

I thought its humor apparent. I even highlighted it in pretty red. But if you must be so sore that you want it spelled out, I'll oblige. The fact that you attempt to justify the death of innocents in war (killed by us) because "they" killed some innocents, and that somehow they're worse than we are, is fucking hilarious.

-TG

[Haggis_McMutton]

Oh gods, this thread is pure undiluted comedy gold.
I initially didn't give a f*ck about the US finally killing some guy, but if it brought about such amazing material as this, I think the war(s) might just have been worth it.

I haven't read all of it yet, you have to savour something like this, it's not that often that all of the ... erm ... "patriots" spring up in this fora, but I'm gonna touch one of these quotes.

@ sax - while reading this entire thread, I came across your first post, second, third; yada yada yada and came to the realization that you should probably purchase a one way ticket to the middle east, settle in some taliban town and live life scared as most of those poor people do. You criticize the American government for searching for and ultimately killing that murderer, obl? I pity you! War is war-innocent people die as sad as that is, however, you fail to reflect on the thousands of people that perished across the globe due to that demon; including our military personal and several other nations military staff fighting for a ritious cause. I don't expect you to have the same beliefs but dammit, support the people that are trying to rid the world of these monsters who have one goal; killing people that don't adapt to their cultural values! FFS sax, get a clue!!

Just so we're clear, when does the number of civilians murdered become too high a cost for finding and killing one man? When does it stop being a righteous cause? 1000? 1 million? What if we just nuked the whole surface of the earth and killed everyone? That'd surely have gotten that "demon" earlier.

[saxitoxin]

support the people that are trying to rid the world of these monsters

another monster down ...



As an aside, I would like to point out, firstly, that I care not at all about Osama bin Laden. My concern is with the oil robbery against Libya that Obama is carrying out ATM. Col. Qaddafi - as leader of a secular Arab nation - has been fighting radical Islam since the mid '90's so it's a little ridiculous to be bleating about the death of OBL on one hand and trying to topple one of OBL's oldest enemies with the other and speaks to the most nefarious machinations of the regime governing your one-party police state.

Also, I've never criticized (I challenge you to find one instance where I have) - and am not likely to start, out of respect for my old friend Snakes McGraw - any personnel of the US armed forces (exception of commissioned officers), which is more accommodation than virtually any other non-American gives to the US military. I've also never peppered my commentary - with the exception of the use of an occasional "Yanqui" for colour - with slurs against American life, culture, values, etc. (with the one additional exception of an occasional jab at the traveling carnival of hos from the free needle exchange with whom john9blue hangs out) which, again, is more restraint than I show the dirty p*ms or the Canadians or the Dutchers. In fact, I have tickets to an Aaron Copeland symphony next month ... (admittedly, I'll probably leave after intermission, but whatevs)

excuse all typos as I'm on my iDroid ATM

[spurgistan]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/how-did-the-cia-find-bin-laden-a-phone-call-a-courier-and-years-of-detective-work/

bin Laden used a woman as a human shield.

F'ing coward!

Ever notice that as we are told that military technology has become more sophisticated, which implies an ability to minimise innocent civillian deaths, the words 'collateral damage' has slowly evolved into 'human shield'?

Nightstrike, you are a cock-swalling, cum drizzling deuche bag that feeds on the myth of the American legacy being a beacon for all that is good and righteous while you systematically ignore the atrocities being perpetrated under the guise of Western Imperialism. If you were born in the Middle East, you would be one of those morons blowing themselves up.

eat shit and die.

Where the hell did that come from?

By the way, "human shield" means that the person being targeted hid themselves behind civilians to keep the attacker from shooting. "Collateral damage" means deaths caused during attacks such as bombing raids. They are two completely different situations: the former is the deliberate choice to risk innocents while the latter is accidental.

But the result is the same. Except that its hard to get, you know, 50 human shields.

Also, whoever said OBL used his wife as a shield is stepping back from that. Story evolving, and such.

[Qwert]

""Our troops, especially the elite units, do not go around and murder innocent civilians willy-nilly like the people who hate our military (and country) like to perpetuate. The woman WAS a human shield, not a casualty of a stray bullet.""
Ofcourse they dont go around, they get orders to go around. If i live in america, then i will belive in these, but i think that in all previous wars-Korea-Vietnam-Afghanistan-Iraq, US kill inocent civilians,many time, but good for them,that they can not be charged for any war crimes,because they protected from these. Ofcourse some time soldier become psycical crack,and start killing other fellow soldiers,or when he come home, commite suicide, what its probably influence of all these not good things,what they done in all these wars.

[codeblue1018]

@ sax - while reading this entire thread, I came across your first post, second, third; yada yada yada and came to the realization that you should probably purchase a one way ticket to the middle east, settle in some taliban town and live life scared as most of those poor people do. You criticize the American government for searching for and ultimately killing that murderer, obl? I pity you! War is war-innocent people die as sad as that is, however, you fail to reflect on the thousands of people that perished across the globe due to that demon; including our military personal and several other nations military staff fighting for a ritious cause. I don't expect you to have the same beliefs but dammit, support the people that are trying to rid the world of these monsters who have one goal; killing people that don't adapt to their cultural values! FFS sax, get a clue!!

lol.

-TG

Feel free to make an argument TG since there is something "funny" that you read.

I thought its humor apparent. I even highlighted it in pretty red. But if you must be so sore that you want it spelled out, I'll oblige. The fact that you attempt to justify the death of innocents in war (killed by us) because "they" killed some innocents, and that somehow they're worse than we are, is fucking hilarious.

TG, put down the blunt before typing-are you serious? I am justifying the death of innocent bystanders? Lol, priceless!! Let me re-phrase; the result of war ends in bad consequences almost always does it not? As I stated, it is unfortunate that innocent people perish as a result of war, however, the end result will hopefully end in a safer world FOR ALL. I don't agree with all that has transpired over the past 10 years; I have no control of that. I can only hope that as a result, a terminated obl and saddam that the entire world is better off. Terror is global; not secluded to the USA. Let me say it again; I do not condone the violence. Talk to a soldier that has served in Iraq or Afghanistan; see what they say about how different and better citizens lives are in those countries. Saddam killed tens of thousands of his people-for what? Speaking out on the government and wanting a better life. Understand, tough decisions are made on difficult times. This was what I was trying to convey, not " justify" the actions.

[Night Strike]

Also, whoever said OBL used his wife as a shield is stepping back from that. Story evolving, and such.

Yeah, I heard that. However, if someone else used her as a shield, then they're equally cowardly.

[pimpdave]

I heard her last name was Shields, and everyone just got confused.

[karelpietertje]

I think Donald and me aren't the only ones who'll want to see an actual death certificate on this one...

[Qwert]

""think Donald and me aren't the only ones who'll want to see an actual death certificate on this one...""
lol. Obama birth certificate
Osama death certificate
Well you need to waith,how much 50 years to release these top secret informacion, or to waith Asange to release these- who will be fast to release these?

[stahrgazer]

Present a clear argument about the effectiveness or lack of effectiveness in killing Osama bin Laden in order to solve the problem of Al-Qaida. Go!

OBL led Al Qaeda. Now he cannot.

It's a blow to the morale of the terrorist group. Does this one act, by itself, end Al Qaeda's terroristic tendencies? No. It is, however, one step closer.

Meanwhile, I think you're the troll, for you've presented no statements at all except namecalling and a disclaimer against my:

God Bless America!

[Qwert]

Yes its big satisfaction for US to manage to kill OSama, these is like revenge for 9/11, but i dont understand why people have ilusion that Al-quida are weaked now.
If Osama whas supreme commander of Al-quida, then he decide what to attack and what not, but now you can get 5-6 new suborganisation, who can be even more dangerous,because now will be hard to predict what will al-quida attack.
Osama whas most wanted, but you have many who are hide in shadow, and now you dont know who will be new enemie.
One battle its over, war continue.

[BigBallinStalin]

Present a clear argument about the effectiveness or lack of effectiveness in killing Osama bin Laden in order to solve the problem of Al-Qaida. Go!

OBL led Al Qaeda. Now he cannot.

It's a blow to the morale of the terrorist group. Does this one act, by itself, end Al Qaeda's terroristic tendencies? No. It is, however, one step closer.

Meanwhile, I think you're the troll, for you've presented no statements at all except namecalling and a disclaimer against my:

God Bless America!

OBL was the leader of Al-Qaeda? How does that work for such a decentralized organization?

With his loss, how functional is Al-Qaeda?

How is this a blow to their morale when weighed against the gain of immortalizing the death of Osama as a war hero?

[Night Strike]

From what I've heard about Al-Qaida's leadership, ever since it's inception in 1988, Bin Laden has been its #1 man while al-Zahiri its #2. They've had several people in the #3 position(s) get captured or killed, but the top 2 have always remained the same. This dynamic has obviously changed as of now, so we don't know exactly how the power structure within the organization will change. There are many more mostly autonomous regional groups within Al-Qaida such as the ones in the Arabian Peninsula, so that means the organization might be stable enough to absorb the shakeup. However, since Osama was in an urban compound and not a remote cave, he may have continued to hold much more power over the group than many of us originally believed, which could mean that the loss of his leadership would cause many issues for the group. It's an interesting dichotomy, with both scenarios having good arguments behind them.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yes its big satisfaction for US to manage to kill OSama, these is like revenge for 9/11, but i dont understand why people have ilusion that Al-quida are weaked now.
If Osama whas supreme commander of Al-quida, then he decide what to attack and what not, but now you can get 5-6 new suborganisation, who can be even more dangerous,because now will be hard to predict what will al-quida attack.
Osama whas most wanted, but you have many who are hide in shadow, and now you dont know who will be new enemie.
One battle its over, war continue.

Exactly. Nazional chest-thumpers like stahrgraver fail to see the bigger picture beyond her own television screen.