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Technically, an atlas found in the US is remarkably similar to those in other countries. Maybe you're just retarded.PLAYER57832 wrote:Woodruff wrote: Does the Atlantic Ocean count for a border?
Technically, Finland is not on the Atlantic, either. (but then, I learned Geography mostly in the US, too).
hmmm.. apparently you did not bother to check said atlas' before deciding to label me dumb.HapSmo19 wrote:Technically, an atlas found in the US is remarkably similar to those in other countries. Maybe you're just retarded.PLAYER57832 wrote:Woodruff wrote: Does the Atlantic Ocean count for a border?
Technically, Finland is not on the Atlantic, either. (but then, I learned Geography mostly in the US, too).
You are delusional. No, you have been duped worse than anyone I have ever heard. Everything you support is about taking away rights, not giving or defending them.Phatscotty wrote:Correction: They were taking away our rights all the time, because people were complacent and content. Now, we are standing up for our rights and even going to take some of our freedoms back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mf33LIEt-g
We are going to take a huge look at every program started in the last 10 years and cut most of them, starting with homeland security.
Juan_Bottom wrote:THIS LOOKS LIKE A JOB FOR
I see, freedom is about having an advantageous position within the economic structure's hierarchy - thanks for sharing.Phatscotty wrote:Individual Freedom
No actually, I said that a few pages ago. I also said that in a number of other threads.Juan_Bottom wrote:Am I the only person left in the entire country who understands that it is already a law that hospitals cannot refuse to treat someone because they cannot pay? We already have "universal healthcare." When the patient is healthy enough that the hospital that treated him wont be held liable for anything, they dump them off. Usually they do this at some charity house but they also dump them on the streets. Then they pass the cost of the care of that patient onto the rest of us who have insurance. Many hospitals along the US/Mexico border offer fewer services than hospitals around the rest of the country because they cannot afford to treat so many people who don't have insurance. You're not saving a dime by fighting universal healthcare. You're paying more. This is 2nd grade level math people.
Furthermore, the insurance companies that we are all forced to use are by far more oppressive than the government-run plan. If I want any other insurance plan other than what my work provides, the cost is double. And I have to go to one of their approved doctors. I even have to get approval for some courses of treatment, and they don't cover the full cost of anything. That's not freedom. Should I be forced to work for a company that doesn't have insurance and get hurt, I will rack up personal bills that will force me into bankruptcy and make sure that your own insurance rates stay high. This is money that you could be spending on your wife or something.
Here too. I was the only person in my class to pass the practice test. I thought it was simple stuff. I'll never forget that.PLAYER57832 wrote:In California, at least, students are required to not just read, but take a test showing they understand the constitution in 8th grade.
nope. Universal health care is tyranny, and freedom is the opposite of tyranny.radiojake wrote:I see, freedom is about having an advantageous position within the economic structure's hierarchy - thanks for sharing.Phatscotty wrote:Individual Freedom
Did you even watch the vid?radiojake wrote: There are a lot of contestations about what freedom is, it is one of those signifiers that have become very strong and have been used to represent different things by different groups; another strong signifier is democracy - different perspectives have all used these calling cards to justify acts such as mutiny in a revolutionary sense, and aswell as war and (cultural) imperialism.
In your case, you are talking about the freedom to feely participate in the economic system. I do not think being constrained into an economic system that bounds us to perpetually compete, consume and focus our energy on obtaining an untangible concept (profit) can be considered 'freedom'. It serves to breed a counter-intuitive instinct that drives people to accumulate wealth rather than creating a culture that empowers collective, cooperative work amoungst ourselves.
I just don't understand how you can consider a concept like 'freedom' to include inherent structures of hierarchy that are perpetuated by the tangible exploitation of those lower on the hierarchial order. It's still a form of slavery - just in the economic sense -
I see, ensuring everyone can go to the doctor when they are sick is "tyranny"?Phatscotty wrote:nope. Universal health care is tyranny, and freedom is the opposite of tyranny.radiojake wrote:I see, freedom is about having an advantageous position within the economic structure's hierarchy - thanks for sharing.Phatscotty wrote:Individual Freedom
Actually, I would say that societies went wrong when they abandoned individual freedom, went to an empire-state, and stretched beyond their means. I would include such societies as the Roman Empire, the various Chinese empires, the British Empire, the Ottoman Empire, the Nazi German Empire, and the Japanese Empire. All of those societies have the name "empire" in common. I would like to include the Soviet Union, but they didn't call themselves an empire.PLAYER57832 wrote:Phattscotty... What you believe you are fighting for and what will actually happen if, as you demand, almost all restraints are taken off business, are two entirely different things.
I don't necessarily agree with radiojake in all, but before each of the greatest societies on Earth have fallen, one thing happened. Wealth was concentrated at the top, infrastructure was abandoned, blame was cast on the lower levels, particularly certian groups as being "immoral" and "the downfall of society".
To contrast, when those societies were strong, they cared for the poor, were tolerant, and while they did let wealth accumulate, ensured that the lower classes were given as well.
We are matching the pattern of every failed society on Earth and you want us to rush even further down that path.
Study history.. quickly.
oh hi Player. no problemo.PLAYER57832 wrote:I see, ensuring everyone can go to the doctor when they are sick is "tyranny"?Phatscotty wrote:nope. Universal health care is tyranny, and freedom is the opposite of tyranny.radiojake wrote:I see, freedom is about having an advantageous position within the economic structure's hierarchy - thanks for sharing.Phatscotty wrote:Individual Freedom
Interesting definition.. that.
fixednatty_dread wrote:I don't see my rights.
Pretty sure I was talking about MY rights. Excuse me if I forgot to remind you I am an American.natty_dread wrote:Wow, you're a comedian.
You don't even know where Finland is (you seem to think it borders the USA) yet you think you know better what rights I have or don't have in Finland?
So pathetic. Open your eyes man before it's too late.
It's so pathetic how you try to twist everything to suit your blind worldview.Phatscotty wrote:Pretty sure I was talking about MY rights. Excuse me if I forgot to remind you I am an American.
But it does allow me different rights than the rest of the world. your rights may not be infringed, but mine would be. We dont have the same rights.natty_dread wrote:It's so pathetic how you try to twist everything to suit your blind worldview.Phatscotty wrote:Pretty sure I was talking about MY rights. Excuse me if I forgot to remind you I am an American.
"Being an American" does not allow you to live in a separate reality from the rest of the world.
I guess we are talking about the right to tell me how and where and on whom my earnings are going to be spent...natty_dread wrote:The right to oppress those less fortunate than you? Or what rights are you talking about again?
