How very presidential. Awe inspiring preformance.

[Mr_Adams]

For those of you who haven't heard, Obama quite literally walked out of the talks on the debt ceiling. Very nice. High class from beginning to end, Mr. Obama.



"I'm taking my ball and going HOME!"

[Phatscotty]

For those of you who haven't heard, Obama quite literally walked out of the talks on the debt ceiling. Very nice. High class from beginning to end, Mr. Obama.



"I'm taking my ball and going HOME!"

I still think he was telling the truth during the campaign. "I have a plan to cut the deficit in half."

You can add up all the Obama/Reid proposed tax revenue increases on Jets and widnfall profit taxes on Oil companies, collect those taxes for 50 years, and not even have enough money to pay for Obama's spending for the month of February.

It would take 2,000 years of collecting the proposed higher taxes on "millionaires n billionaires" to just pay for the first 2 years of Obama.

Of course, he was counting on the Stimulus plan, the omnibus package, QE1 and QE2 (QE3 coming soon?) and the jobs bill 1 and jobs bill 2 to bring the economy back and keep unemployment under 8%, and now he won't admit that if his plan had worked anywhere close to the way he promised they would, he would still have Congress and be cruising towards and easy re-election. Joe Biden boasted these "spending plans" would be creating 250-300,000 per month by this time, and that the job creation didn't come in the first year but "jobs will come in the second year of the stimulus". It didn't work, and in fact Rush Limbaugh would be pleased to boast the Obama did fail in "fundamentally transforming the United States of America"

None of that happened though. Instead here we are, left with the debt from "quadrupling down" (with interest) and threatened with credit downgrades and now the president is saying he can't guarantee social security checks will go out after August 2nd? Wow

Take some responsibility for your actions Mr. President! Your party dominated congress and was filibuster proof for 2 years and you could have got any tax hikes EASY! Instead you had Bill Clinton taking over your podium to explain why Obama can't raise taxes "at this crucial time" because Obama had to be somewhere else or couldn't stomach telling the truth about higher taxes himself. (I enjoyed watching Bill Clinton in that press conference very much!)

[JoshyBoy]

F*ck America.

Well, when I say that, I don't mean the actual geography or all of the residents, rather the system. I despise everything about the "democracy" and what the political system stands for. Not that we are any better, I hate our system just as much.

[Symmetry]

How else should he have quite literally left? Via Segway? At a dead sprint? Burst through one of the windows?

Walking seems like the most presidential option. Maybe you should put up a poll.

[GreecePwns]

Were you saying the same thing when Cantor did it a couple of weeks ago?

Didn't think so.

[Symmetry]

Were you saying the same thing when Cantor did it a couple of weeks ago?

Didn't think so.

To be fair, Cantor used a Segway, so he didn't walk out.

[Mr_Adams]

Were you saying the same thing when Cantor did it a couple of weeks ago?

Didn't think so.

To be fair, Cantor used a Segway, so he didn't walk out.

Nor is he president. All these political hell hounds make me sick.

How else should he have quite literally left? Via Segway? At a dead sprint? Burst through one of the windows?

Walking seems like the most presidential option. Maybe you should put up a poll.

end the meeting properly? You know, "well, gentlemen, I don't see us coming any closer to any conclusions tonight. let's set a date to continue these discussions, with more facts..."

[Night Strike]

It's also telling how Cantor and the others now are being asked to leave and let the adults continue the conversation (see Reid's floor speech). It's the democrats who are the adults, even though they are the ones who are continually use scare tactics (pushing grandma off the cliff, stopping social security checks) instead of actually discussing and solving the problem of too much spending. By the way, I'm pretty sure it's not an adult who would be asking to spend money on whatever he sees, especially when he doesn't have the money.

[Woodruff]

F*ck America.

Well, when I say that, I don't mean the actual geography or all of the residents, rather the system. I despise everything about the "democracy" and what the political system stands for. Not that we are any better, I hate our system just as much.

I don't honestly understand this at all. Why would you hate what democracy stands for?

[Woodruff]

How else should he have quite literally left? Via Segway? At a dead sprint? Burst through one of the windows?

That last one would've been AWESOME. Segway, not so much. <grin>

[maasman]

F*ck America.

Well, when I say that, I don't mean the actual geography or all of the residents, rather the system. I despise everything about the "democracy" and what the political system stands for. Not that we are any better, I hate our system just as much.

I don't honestly understand this at all. Why would you hate what democracy stands for?

Notice the quotes? I think he wanted more emphasis on the political system part anyway, and I agree.

[Phatscotty]

F*ck America.

Well, when I say that, I don't mean the actual geography or all of the residents, rather the system. I despise everything about the "democracy" and what the political system stands for. Not that we are any better, I hate our system just as much.

What system do you suggest?

[JoshyBoy]

It's not a question of changing anything, and I'm not suggesting a different system, I just hate the way the current system is filled with bullshit and corruption. I also love how it doesn't matter who gets voted in, "the people" still get screwed up the arse. At least that's the case for sure over here.

[Woodruff]

It's not a question of changing anything, and I'm not suggesting a different system, I just hate the way the current system is filled with bullshit and corruption. I also love how it doesn't matter who gets voted in, "the people" still get screwed up the arse. At least that's the case for sure over here.

You'll get no argument from me over this. I don't think that's necessarily representative of "democracy", but I do tend to think it's more representative of older democracy for various reasons, unfortunately.

[JoshyBoy]

You'll get no argument from me over this. I don't think that's necessarily representative of "democracy", but I do tend to think it's more representative of older democracy for various reasons, unfortunately.

Put it this way Mr. Ruff, we vote in Labour Party for countless years, and they screw us over. We decide enough with them, let's vote in a coalition of Conservative Party and Liberal Democrats, they seem to be promising reasonable things. Guess what they have done. That's right, screwed us over. Now up here in Scotland, the Scottish Nationalist Party are saying "Scottish Independence!", and "We'll look after ourselves first!", promising heaps of bullshit like more money for everyone and a better economy. But I "bet my bottom dollar" that if and/or when we vote them into power, they will also screw us over. The system is full of liars, cheats, and bullshitters.

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win. At least not all of them.

[esiemer]

Sadly, JoshyBoy is right. The average people keep getting screwed.

Here in America reasonable people are forced to vote Democrat because for the last 30 years Republicans have been piling debt onto our country and giving tax breaks to the wealthy. They keep promising it will provide more jobs, but it never does. They say things like "President Reagan proved that deficits don't matter". They start wars on a whim and promise that they will pay for themselves.

Then, when none of their ideas work, when all they are left with is historical failure and massive debt for the whole country, they blame it on the new guy. So they run on a platform of jobs jobs jobs!! Elect us and we will provide jobs! Then they get into office and don't do a damn thing about jobs. Instead they try to redefine rape and pin all their failures over the past 30 years on the new guy.

So they use the only leverage they have, the debt ceiling. Something they never cared about before. They also admit that they don't want a solution, they just want to make the new guy look bad so that he doesn't get reelected. McConnel actually admits he cares more about his political party than he does about our country.

Still, the President tries to reach a compromise. But when he runs into a brick wall of opposition that will not compromise despite their party being responsible for the debt, he gets pissed that he is forced to deal with people who openly admit they don't want to solve the problem, they just want to make him look bad. So he storms out, and now he's the bad guy.

For the record, Obama isn't perfect and he has done a lot wrong. I'd rather not vote for him again. But the other option is full of cognitive dissonance, forgets the lessons of history, and only has bad ideas.

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win.

[PLAYER57832]

For those of you who haven't heard, Obama quite literally walked out of the talks on the debt ceiling. Very nice. High class from beginning to end, Mr. Obama.

"I'm taking my ball and going HOME!"

Uh... you have your facts incorrect.
There as a deal and the Republicans backed out.
At some point, its not "I am taking my ball and leaving".. its more like "well, when you want to actually play ball instead of just throw things, call me".

[PLAYER57832]

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win.

We could, if more than 30% voted. And if people were really willing to take necessary pain, which in this case does include some tax increases, not just cuts.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sadly, JoshyBoy is right. The average people keep getting screwed.

Here in America reasonable people are forced to vote Democrat because for the last 30 years Republicans have been piling debt onto our country and giving tax breaks to the wealthy. They keep promising it will provide more jobs, but it never does. They say things like "President Reagan proved that deficits don't matter". They start wars on a whim and promise that they will pay for themselves.

Then, when none of their ideas work, when all they are left with is historical failure and massive debt for the whole country, they blame it on the new guy. So they run on a platform of jobs jobs jobs!! Elect us and we will provide jobs! Then they get into office and don't do a damn thing about jobs. Instead they try to redefine rape and pin all their failures over the past 30 years on the new guy.

So they use the only leverage they have, the debt ceiling. Something they never cared about before. They also admit that they don't want a solution, they just want to make the new guy look bad so that he doesn't get reelected. McConnel actually admits he cares more about his political party than he does about our country.

Still, the President tries to reach a compromise. But when he runs into a brick wall of opposition that will not compromise despite their party being responsible for the debt, he gets pissed that he is forced to deal with people who openly admit they don't want to solve the problem, they just want to make him look bad. So he storms out, and now he's the bad guy.

For the record, Obama isn't perfect and he has done a lot wrong. I'd rather not vote for him again. But the other option is full of cognitive dissonance, forgets the lessons of history, and only has bad ideas.

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win.

At what point does one shift from being "normal" to "abnormal"? Would $500,000 per year do it? Or would $10,000 per year while living off the grid work?

[Johnny Rockets]

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win.

We could, if more than 30% voted. And if people were really willing to take necessary pain, which in this case does include some tax increases, not just cuts.

Voter apathy comes from the belief that your vote:
Has no little impact on the results of an election.
Has no impact on what government is "chosen" to lead the country.
That corporate powers, and not elected officials are at the helm, and that these powers do not have anyone’s best interest at heart except their stockholders and themselves.

The whole shithouse is going to burn down because no one can agree on the order of the bucket line.

JRock

[Night Strike]

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win.

We could, if more than 30% voted. And if people were really willing to take necessary pain, which in this case does include some tax increases, not just cuts.

Considering tax cuts aren't even being considered in this debt ceiling debate, that part of your point is moot. It would also be nice if people would accept cuts in their entitlements, but that's not acceptable. All we can do is increase taxes on the rich.

[spurgistan]

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win.

We could, if more than 30% voted. And if people were really willing to take necessary pain, which in this case does include some tax increases, not just cuts.

Considering tax cuts aren't even being considered in this debt ceiling debate, that part of your point is moot. It would also be nice if people would accept cuts in their entitlements, but that's not acceptable. All we can do is increase taxes on the rich.

You really need to get your news from other places, man. Like, seriously.

[Night Strike]

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win.

We could, if more than 30% voted. And if people were really willing to take necessary pain, which in this case does include some tax increases, not just cuts.

Considering tax cuts aren't even being considered in this debt ceiling debate, that part of your point is moot. It would also be nice if people would accept cuts in their entitlements, but that's not acceptable. All we can do is increase taxes on the rich.

You really need to get your news from other places, man. Like, seriously.

What am I making up? What tax cuts are included in these negotiations? I know the president wants tax increases. I know Pelosi and her democrats won't accept any cuts in Medicare and Social Security. It doesn't matter where you get the news from when it's fact.

[AndyDufresne]

All of this drama is a nuisance.

The only fact I care about is this one:



--Andy

[spurgistan]

The bottom line is, normal citizens can't win.

We could, if more than 30% voted. And if people were really willing to take necessary pain, which in this case does include some tax increases, not just cuts.

Considering tax cuts aren't even being considered in this debt ceiling debate, that part of your point is moot. It would also be nice if people would accept cuts in their entitlements, but that's not acceptable. All we can do is increase taxes on the rich.

You really need to get your news from other places, man. Like, seriously.

What am I making up? What tax cuts are included in these negotiations? I know the president wants tax increases. I know Pelosi and her democrats won't accept any cuts in Medicare and Social Security. It doesn't matter where you get the news from when it's fact.

OK, so tax cuts aren't being included in deficit-reduction talks. You guys are getting 3 dollars in spending cuts for every dollar in additional revenue. This coming from a Democratic president and a Democratic Senate. And Boehner turns it down. The Republicans realize they have a live hand grenade that they can blow up the economy with. It'd be called negotiating with terrorists in any other venue.