D.T.W.A.

[Phatscotty]

Perhaps Florida Governor Rick Scott knows what he's doing.

Florida is one of just a handful of states that are way ahead of the curve on creating jobs, and unemployment has dropped every month this year (Wisconsin and Texas are creating far more jobs than national average as well)

He already slashed property taxes, and now he is pushing for cuts on ALL business taxes. Cutting spending and lowering taxes is creating jobs everywhere it is tried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhalyd-rpQQ

The proof is in the pudding

and this proves that drug testing for welfare applicants is a good idea how, exactly?

Meanwhile.. you STILL ignore the questions I posed.

Like, where is the data to support your claims of "free drug rehab clinics in every county in Florida".

HINT... your claim is FALSE!

Okay, and if I dig it up (because I know I posted it and Symmetry and I had a few back n forths over it) will you admit "the facts" is true? Will you also admit it is you who is wrong? Also you have to say why you thought you were right, and then apologize for calling me a liar.

Deal?

[PLAYER57832]

Perhaps Florida Governor Rick Scott knows what he's doing.

Florida is one of just a handful of states that are way ahead of the curve on creating jobs, and unemployment has dropped every month this year (Wisconsin and Texas are creating far more jobs than national average as well)

He already slashed property taxes, and now he is pushing for cuts on ALL business taxes. Cutting spending and lowering taxes is creating jobs everywhere it is tried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhalyd-rpQQ

The proof is in the pudding

and this proves that drug testing for welfare applicants is a good idea how, exactly?

Meanwhile.. you STILL ignore the questions I posed.

Like, where is the data to support your claims of "free drug rehab clinics in every county in Florida".

HINT... your claim is FALSE!

Okay, and if I dig it up (because I know I posted it and Symmetry and I had a few back n forths over it) will you admit "the facts" is true? Will you also admit it is you who is wrong? Also you have to say why you thought you were right, and then apologize for calling me a liar.

Deal?

IF your data actually verifies what you say, I will admit your claims are correct. I don't believe I ever called you a liar, though. I have simply repeatedly asked you to verify what you said earlier.. and been ignored or ridiculed.

[Phatscotty]

I am sad that we are actually trying to figure out what costs us more, someone who chooses to rob someone of their money and maybe their life and the cost of jailing them, or subsidizing people who can not survive on their own. I think they are both extremely expensive.

The cheapest thing is to encourage people to follow the law, certainly when they are getting a cash hand out from the same people who make the law. It is also the right thing to do.

What the f*ck is the matter with you???? Do you speed? I bet you do. Do you cheat on your taxes? I bet you do.


You seem to have an awful hate on for the poor man, the disenfranchised, the disabled, anyone that is different than you.

I am sorry you don't get it. Your attitude says everything about exactly what it wrong with out country. You think because someone else does something wrong, that means they cant criticize you if you do something wrong. Pretty soon there won't be anyone to say what is right and what is wrong, until, like currently, we have half our population working the system and not enough workers supporting the system, and then you think it's okay to just take more money from the one who earns the most.

You think because I speed or I spit on the sidewalk that should prevent me from speaking up about doing the right thing? You think I need to be prefect to have a voice?

I understand the reason for welfare. Because I am against wasting tax dollars does not make me "hate" anyone for any reason, except maybe speaking up about the person who is wasting the money and abusing the system. Why does that make me hateful?

I'm sorry everything for you has to do with "hate this/hate that". Perhaps one day you will learn

[natty dread]

Doesn't anyone see these drug-testings as a worrying development?

Traditionally, everyone has been "innocent until proven guilty" in most legal systems, and the burden of proof is on the accuser to prove that a crime has been committed. But now, people on welfare are automatically assumed to be "guilty" of using "drugs", and they have to prove their innocence in order to get the benefits they are legally entitled to.

Do you think it will stop with welfare recipients? What will you say when you have to prove that you're not a child molester or a rapist before you're allowed to live unsupervised? What about when you have to prove that you're not a drunk driver before you're allowed to get a car?

[Phatscotty]

Perhaps Florida Governor Rick Scott knows what he's doing.

Florida is one of just a handful of states that are way ahead of the curve on creating jobs, and unemployment has dropped every month this year (Wisconsin and Texas are creating far more jobs than national average as well)

He already slashed property taxes, and now he is pushing for cuts on ALL business taxes. Cutting spending and lowering taxes is creating jobs everywhere it is tried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhalyd-rpQQ

The proof is in the pudding

and this proves that drug testing for welfare applicants is a good idea how, exactly?

Meanwhile.. you STILL ignore the questions I posed.

Like, where is the data to support your claims of "free drug rehab clinics in every county in Florida".

HINT... your claim is FALSE!

Okay, and if I dig it up (because I know I posted it and Symmetry and I had a few back n forths over it) will you admit "the facts" is true? Will you also admit it is you who is wrong? Also you have to say why you thought you were right, and then apologize for calling me a liar.

Deal?

IF your data actually verifies what you say, I will admit your claims are correct. I don't believe I ever called you a liar, though. I have simply repeatedly asked you to verify what you said earlier.. and been ignored or ridiculed.

No, you didn't. But you are calling what I say false up and down and twice in Sunday, which implies I am lying, which would pretty much discredit all the links I ever share to source my shit. You know I care about the truth. It's only how we choose to deal with it that makes us opine differently. I'm gonna start looking, I know it's here.

I'm just surprised at your demands for evidence. I mean, how many free clinics are around you?

I highly doubt you state (Penn?) has close to as bad a drug problem as Florida. Drugs are a huge problem there on the border, and that is the only reason why there are as many free clinics as there are and a fuss about people collecting welfare dollars and blowing it on drugs.

"Clockin much dollars on the 1st n 15th" has been around for a long, long time. You guy's attitude befuddles me so excuse me if I feel like I am wasting me time re-sourcing everything, but for you I will.

[john9blue]

Doesn't anyone see these drug-testings as a worrying development?

Traditionally, everyone has been "innocent until proven guilty" in most legal systems, and the burden of proof is on the accuser to prove that a crime has been committed. But now, people on welfare are automatically assumed to be "guilty" of using "drugs", and they have to prove their innocence in order to get the benefits they are legally entitled to.

applying for welfare is voluntary. they aren't being accused of anything, it's just a prerequisite. using your logic, people are being accused of lying when they are required to show proof of age when getting a driver's license. the only difference is that "must be sober to receive welfare" isn't a law yet, whereas "must be 16 to drive" is a law.

Okay, and if I dig it up (because I know I posted it and Symmetry and I had a few back n forths over it) will you admit "the facts" is true? Will you also admit it is you who is wrong? Also you have to say why you thought you were right, and then apologize for calling me a liar.

Deal?

IF your data actually verifies what you say, I will admit your claims are correct. I don't believe I ever called you a liar, though. I have simply repeatedly asked you to verify what you said earlier.. and been ignored or ridiculed.

No, you didn't. But you are calling what I say false up and down and twice in Sunday, which implies I am lying, which would pretty much discredit all the links I ever share to source my shit. You know I care about the truth. It's only how we choose to deal with it that makes us opine differently. I'm gonna start looking, I know it's here.

I'm just surprised at your demands for evidence. I mean, how many free clinics are around you?

I highly doubt you state (Penn?) has close to as bad a drug problem as Florida. Drugs are a huge problem there on the border, and that is the only reason why there are as many free clinics as there are and a fuss about people collecting welfare dollars and blowing it on drugs.

"Clockin much dollars on the 1st n 15th" has been around for a long, long time. You guy's attitude befuddles me so excuse me if I feel like I am wasting me time re-sourcing everything, but for you I will.

you should just dig it up and show her; saying "look around you" doesn't really cut it...

[Phatscotty]

I know lulz. I have tried 3 separate times now. It's a monster thread. I will find it it's just gonna take time.

I was only asking her about it while I am looking.

FYI I am doing my blog, playing 2 RT games, reading Drudge, and watching game of thrones full season free on youtube.

Proof!

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=9401428
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=9401331
http://drudgereport.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUVLq47OEw season 1 episode 1

I can't give you my blog site though.

[Woodruff]

Okay, and if I dig it up (because I know I posted it and Symmetry and I had a few back n forths over it) will you admit "the facts" is true? Will you also admit it is you who is wrong? Also you have to say why you thought you were right, and then apologize for calling me a liar.
Deal?

If you're going to make this demand of her, are you then going to apologize to me and admit that you were a liar about my "cowardly tactics" in this thread, or are you going to continue to run from it and hope that it just goes away?

Just want to have your cake and eat it too, Phatscotty?

[Woodruff]

I understand the reason for welfare. Because I am against wasting tax dollars does not make me "hate" anyone for any reason, except maybe speaking up about the person who is wasting the money and abusing the system. Why does that make me hateful?
I'm sorry everything for you has to do with "hate this/hate that". Perhaps one day you will learn

You don't appear to support any kind of rehabilitation for those people who would be caught by the drug testing of welfare recipients (which, of course, would add significantly to the costs yet again). That shows that you're NOT concerned about helping people nor are you concerned with "personal responsibility". You're just concerned with punishing them for using drugs.

[Woodruff]

Traditionally, everyone has been "innocent until proven guilty" in most legal systems, and the burden of proof is on the accuser to prove that a crime has been committed. But now, people on welfare are automatically assumed to be "guilty" of using "drugs", and they have to prove their innocence in order to get the benefits they are legally entitled to.

That's one of the reasons why these testing programs have largely been shut down in the past, actually. Once it hits the courts, they're found unconstitutional.

[Woodruff]

Perhaps Florida Governor Rick Scott knows what he's doing.

Florida is one of just a handful of states that are way ahead of the curve on creating jobs, and unemployment has dropped every month this year (Wisconsin and Texas are creating far more jobs than national average as well)

He already slashed property taxes, and now he is pushing for cuts on ALL business taxes. Cutting spending and lowering taxes is creating jobs everywhere it is tried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhalyd-rpQQ

The proof is in the pudding

and this proves that drug testing for welfare applicants is a good idea how, exactly?

Meanwhile.. you STILL ignore the questions I posed.

Like, where is the data to support your claims of "free drug rehab clinics in every county in Florida".

HINT... your claim is FALSE!

Okay, and if I dig it up (because I know I posted it and Symmetry and I had a few back n forths over it) will you admit "the facts" is true? Will you also admit it is you who is wrong? Also you have to say why you thought you were right, and then apologize for calling me a liar.

Deal?

IF your data actually verifies what you say, I will admit your claims are correct. I don't believe I ever called you a liar, though. I have simply repeatedly asked you to verify what you said earlier.. and been ignored or ridiculed.

No, you didn't. But you are calling what I say false up and down and twice in Sunday, which implies I am lying

So basically, what you're saying is that it was YOU who lied about HER, Phatscotty...so why haven't you apologized to her for that, as you demanded of her?

[PLAYER57832]

Perhaps Florida Governor Rick Scott knows what he's doing.

Florida is one of just a handful of states that are way ahead of the curve on creating jobs, and unemployment has dropped every month this year (Wisconsin and Texas are creating far more jobs than national average as well)

He already slashed property taxes, and now he is pushing for cuts on ALL business taxes. Cutting spending and lowering taxes is creating jobs everywhere it is tried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhalyd-rpQQ

The proof is in the pudding

and this proves that drug testing for welfare applicants is a good idea how, exactly?

Meanwhile.. you STILL ignore the questions I posed.

Like, where is the data to support your claims of "free drug rehab clinics in every county in Florida".

HINT... your claim is FALSE!

Okay, and if I dig it up (because I know I posted it and Symmetry and I had a few back n forths over it) will you admit "the facts" is true? Will you also admit it is you who is wrong? Also you have to say why you thought you were right, and then apologize for calling me a liar.

Deal?

IF your data actually verifies what you say, I will admit your claims are correct. I don't believe I ever called you a liar, though. I have simply repeatedly asked you to verify what you said earlier.. and been ignored or ridiculed.

No, you didn't. But you are calling what I say false up and down and twice in Sunday, which implies I am lying, which would pretty much discredit all the links I ever share to source my shit.

I said I could not follow your link, which I could not. OK, so I looked myself... and the data I found did not support your claim.

So, again.. if you can provide the data, let's see it!

If you consider that inappropriate, then it seems you don't really want debate.

I highly doubt you state (Penn?) has close to as bad a drug problem as Florida. Drugs are a huge problem there on the border, and that is the only reason why there are as many free clinics as there are and a fuss about people collecting welfare dollars and blowing it on drugs.

LOL LOL LOL

sorry, but I just could not help myself on that one!

OK, I am not an expert on all of PA. HOWEVER, I do live in what is called the "rust belt". I don't know exact welfare rates, but I do know that 80% of kids at the school are eligible for free or reduced price lunches.

As per drugs... heroine, meth, and yes, even marihuana are very prevalent here. More the hard drugs, from what I am told. Alchohol is folks "soft drug" of choice. We might not have as much, per person as the worst areas of Pittsburgh or Philadelphia (I am sure we don't), but I have a hard time finding a household not impacted by drugs, including our own. (we have been threatened, etc, but I don't want to get into that).

The nearest clinic? It's over 2 hours away, for heroine. For other drugs, its even further.

Now, PA doesn't have a county system. We have networks of small boroughs, townships, villages & cities. However, the distance should give you a rough reference.

"Clockin much dollars on the 1st n 15th" has been around for a long, long time. You guy's attitude befuddles me so excuse me if I feel like I am wasting me time re-sourcing everything, but for you I will.

I have no idea what you are even trying to say here.

[BigBallinStalin]

Perhaps Florida Governor Rick Scott knows what he's doing.

Florida is one of just a handful of states that are way ahead of the curve on creating jobs, and unemployment has dropped every month this year (Wisconsin and Texas are creating far more jobs than national average as well)

He already slashed property taxes, and now he is pushing for cuts on ALL business taxes. Cutting spending and lowering taxes is creating jobs everywhere it is tried.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhalyd-rpQQ

The proof is in the pudding

Hey, that's a good one, Phatscotty!

"The proof is in the pudding."

Ho ho! That was fun to type! Now it's my turn:

The dick is in the cheese.

[GreecePwns]

And the wealth will just trickle its way down to everyone else.

[PLAYER57832]

And the wealth will just trickle its way down to everyone else.

That was Reagan's favorite idea. (well.. it was his favorite political catch phrase when he was president).

[Woodruff]

There are free taxpayer founded clinics everywhere in Florida, and everywhere in every state.

some have more than others. Florida has tons.

This is extremely common knowledge. You as a tax lover should know better than I where all the money goes, yet I guess you do not.

So liar, you still haven't shown where I did as you claimed:
http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=144779&p=3251260&hilit=provide+the+context#p3251260

Stop hiding, Phatscotty...stop playing the coward. Or are you actually not playing at being a coward?

Still nothing, Phatscotty? You're posting in the other threads...this should be a very simple thing for you to show. Why haven't you? I thought all we had to do was ask, and the Dodge King would prove he wasn't dodging? I guess that was yet another Phatscotty lie.

Phatscotty? Were you going to handle this? Here's your perfect opportunity to prove your claim that you don't avoid questions, Dodge King. Avail yourself of it.

[PLAYER57832]

I know lulz. I have tried 3 separate times now. It's a monster thread. I will find it it's just gonna take time.

I was only asking her about it while I am looking.

FYI I am doing my blog, playing 2 RT games, reading Drudge, and watching game of thrones full season free on youtube.

Proof!

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=9401428
http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=9401331
http://drudgereport.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDUVLq47OEw season 1 episode 1

I can't give you my blog site though.

I see, you have plenty of time to badger Woodruff, etc.. but bother to repeat the information you claimed was "obvious".. too much bother.

I did not call you a liar before, but I am saying you are extremely dishonest NOW.

[BigBallinStalin]

THREE CHEERS FOR THE DODGE KING!!!

GO:

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[GreecePwns]

THREE CHEERS FOR THE DODGE KING!!!

GO:

HIP-HIP...

BOO YOU STINK!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIanXyiHu8o

[Phatscotty]

It seems it does not matter if there are any free rehab clinics in Florida, only if I previously posted it or not.

I can't find it, I must be lying.

I would ask Symmetry is he saw it though.

I guess there are 0 free rehab clinics in the entire state of Florida.

You guys are funny. I've just been sitting back watching. Oh you so scored a meaningless point on me.

+.01

I guess maybe we should not drug test welfare applicants. Accept they are drugging welfare applicants

[PLAYER57832]

It seems it does not matter if there are any free rehab clinics in Florida, only if I previously posted it or not.

I can't find it, I must be lying.

No, what I said is that I believe you were not careful enough. There ARE rehab clinics in every county.. but not free drug rehab clinics.

But... it is one thing to goof and something else to attempt to blame other people for your error.

The point is you were here calling everybody ELSE liars, idiots, etc...

[Phatscotty]

not about this.

[Woodruff]

It seems it does not matter if there are any free rehab clinics in Florida, only if I previously posted it or not.
I can't find it, I must be lying.
I would ask Symmetry is he saw it though.
I guess there are 0 free rehab clinics in the entire state of Florida.
You guys are funny. I've just been sitting back watching. Oh you so scored a meaningless point on me.
+.01
I guess maybe we should not drug test welfare applicants. Accept they are drugging welfare applicants

Actually, I think what it shows is that you post to intentionally decieve.

[Phatscotty]

right, because as you have proven, there are 0 free rehab clinics in the state of Florida.

[Woodruff]

right, because as you have proven, there are 0 free rehab clinics in the state of Florida.

I said nothing of the sort...which makes this yet another attempt by Phatscotty to post to decieve. I believe my work here is done.