TNC (31) vs. RH (14) of 45 - Final 2/10

[BlackKnight_6]

Welcome Random Heroes to the world of clans.... now down you go! Attack Crusaders!

10 quads
15 Triples (including tiebreaker)
20 Doubles

Set 1 - December 28 start
RH - 5 home games (3 quads, 2 trips)
TNC - 5 home games (3 quads, 2 trips)
1 tiebreaker game (trips, Random) foggy, chained, no spoils

Set 2 - January 6 start
RH - 8 home games (2 quads, 3 trips, 3 doubles)
TNC - 8 home games (2 quads, 3 trips, 3 doubles)

Set 3 - January 20 start
RH - 9 home games (2 trips, 7 doubles)
TNC - 9 home games (2 trips, 7 doubles)

17 games max per player
Maps can be used only 2 times, but not in the same setting ex: Dub, Trip or Quad.
Maps excluded - ConquerMan, Doodle Earth, Luxemburg, Hive
• No freestyle, no speed, no beta, no manual deploy


CONTACTS: BlackKnight_6 & billclinton13


TNC Game Count

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TheCrown - 2
dana1971 - 4
BlackKnight_6 - 5
belize - 3
Ragian - 5
thunderhue - 2
AllanR - 3
raston_morue - 3
VicFontaine - 2
ejph - 2
francisco969 - 2
ckyrias - 5
Epitaph1 - 3
tokle - 3
BGtheBrain - 1
jbfloyd - 3
pretender77 - 2
jemal_fixit - 1
MoB Deadly - 1
dazza2008 - 4
uyumaykimaw - 0
pershy - 2
clacie - 0
mcshanester29 - 1
pricejam2 - 0
grahamstanley - 0
tenbar - 2
Winston Turqhill - 1
Shaunchef - 0

RH Game Count

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shaggybb - 9
lost4815162342 - 16
rickmorales - 10
reptile - 10
jon_snow - 6
bertbum - 11
Halbersma - 9
billclinton13 - 11
fish061 - 3

RH wins
TNC wins

TIEBREAKER Random Triples Game 10328171 TNC wins

TNC HOME GAMES [Set 1]

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Quads
Game 10328197 King's Court TNC wins
Game 10328198 Treasures of Galapagos RH Win
Game 10328200 Atlantis TNC wins
Triples
Game 10328202 Europe 1914 TNC wins
Game 10328203 Feudal War TNC wins

RH HOME GAMES [Set 1]

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Quads
Game 10331182 Fractured America TNC wins
Game 10331188 NYC TNC wins
Game 10331189 Texan Wars TNC wins
Triples
Game 10331118 Dawn of Ages RH wins
Game 10331178 Great Lakes TNC wins

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TNC HOME GAMES [Set 2]

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Quads
Game 10384567 New World RH wins
Game 10384568 Third Crusade TNC wins
Triples
Game 10384570 Das Schloss TNC wins
Game 10384571 Feudal Epic TNC wins
Game 10384572 AOR2 TNC wins
Doubles
Game 10384573 England TNC wins
Game 10384574 Imperium Romanum RH wins
Game 10384575 Arms Race TNC wins

RH HOME GAMES [Set 2]

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Quads
Game 10394113 Triple Alliance TNC wins
Game 10394097 Quad Cities TNC wins

Triples
Game 10394139 Jamaica RH wins
Game 10394138 World 2.1 RH wins
Game 10394091 Europe TNC wins

Doubles
Game 10394135 First Nations Americas RH wins
Game 10394060 WWII Poland TNC wins
Game 10394056 Waterloo TNC wins

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TNC HOME GAMES [Set 3]

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Triples
Game 10464718 Stalingrad TNC wins
Game 10464720 D-Day TNC wins
Doubles
Game 10464724 AOR2 RH wins
Game 10464726 Waterloo RH wins
Game 10464727 Bamboo Jack RH wins
Game 10464730 Europe 1914 TNC wins
Game 10464732 Das Schloss RH wins
Game 10464735 High Seas TNC wins
Game 10464736 Stalingrad TNC wins

RH HOME GAMES [Set 3]

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Triples
Game 10481866 Classic TNC wins
Game 10481867 Poker Club RH wins
Doubles
Game 10482082 Jamaica TNC wins
Game 10482079 Crossword TNC wins
Game 10482064 Peloponnesian War TNC wins
Game 10482025 Tamriel TNC wins
Game 10482022 Duck and Cover TNC wins
Game 10481887 Battle of Iraq RH wins
Game 10481877 Dawn of Ages RH wins

[gradybridges]

Sorry billclinton but this will be a massacre. You have barely enough players to cover the games. Good luck though.

TNC by...

I'll just say alot.

[billclinton13]

It's ok Gradybridges we like the underdog role

[billclinton13]

Looks good!

[reptile]

Sorry billclinton but this will be a massacre. You have barely enough players to cover the games. Good luck though.

TNC by...

I'll just say alot.

Crazy Grady, cmon man!!!

We are .... RANDOM HEROES!

[reptile]

blackknight... who is making the games?

[chapcrap]

blackknight... who is making the games?

I was told by TheCrown that BK was going to be done for about 10 days.

[TheCrown]

blackknight is the POC, but I can set up the 1st round of home games while he is on vacation. We may have to change the start dates on all of this if we don't get privs soon anyways.

[reptile]

did we request them yet? i am unable to locate that thread

[TheCrown]

privs were requested many days ago... I guess the CC staff is taking a much deserved holiday break.

[billclinton13]

Whatever works for you

[reptile]

Link to all the games:

http://www.conquerclub.com/player.php?mode=find

[TheCrown]

1st blood drawn... TNC wins the tiebreaker game.

[billclinton13]

That one hurt

[reptile]

fun war thus far, looks like all round 2 games with the exception of Game 10394135 has started. from what i can see TNC has the advantage.

[billclinton13]

It looks like (2) RH (6) TNC

[reptile]

figured i would post since noone else is.

what an exciting post... right?

[reptile]

This battle is prettymuch over, however i have been left with a very sour taste in my mouth for TNC, particularly thecrown. He plays cheap and uses stupid excuses when he does it. I would rather lose every game to that cheap shit and let him be so happy with himself for doing such a great job. i was hoping that his cheap tactics would change going into round 3 with the war locked up but it continues.

Be careful whoever plays against him or TNC, for multiple reasons that i will only mention if he continues to make sad attempts at excuses.

Anyway well done rest of TNC, gl in your future endeavors. I for one have learned a lesson here and will have no problem sharing it with some of my acquaintances.

I have been involved with clans longer than most have been on CC and have been around the block, under all circumstances will i walk across the street to go around thecrown's residence.

you would think 4500 games would make you at least somewhat aware of common courtesies especially when they have been brought to your attention multiple times... then again his 100 active game count is a great excuse.... every time

[VioIet]

What did he do?

I have played against TheCrown before, quite a few times I believe. I have never had a problem with him.

[TheCrown]

reptile, you are a sad, sore loser and it shows no class writing your personal problems in an open thread. Very cowardice! I have explained to you that there is NO 12-hour fog rule in place in our clan war, so therefore, you should ask if you want a courtesy of a snap, otherwise I'm just going to play my games when they come up. I mean really, who can't figure out what 1 person did on 1 turn. No one has ever cared before, so you should have spoke your mind before. You definitely didn't need to get all pissy... it is just a game.

[Bruceswar]

I was alerted to this thread as it seems there has been some misunderstanding about the 12 hour fog rule, which had lead to some ill feelings and the like. I do not see anywhere where there is a 12 hour fog rule. While usually 2 clans will agree to at least a common courtesy rule. I do not see that here. There is no reason for anybody to be upset, other than losing. Reptile, while I generally like you I do not see anything TheCrown put that would get a response like that. Please everybody try to keep calm here and not let this blow out of proportion. With that said, lets not flame and bait each other. If anybody has anything else to add they can PM me.

[reptile]

If you are going to post bruce, please at least do research, that is not the issue at all and i am not going to waste much more time on a lamo like thecrown. please keep from defending one person or the other without knowing what the issue is.

I like that you try to keep the peace, but that is not how you do it. You must know the whole story or both sides at least otherwise it WILL BLOW UP into something bigger because one of the parties will feel you dont have the entire story and will feel short changed and the real issue never gets resolved. If this does become a big deal then just ban me now and i will not be back, most of the top players on CC will agree with me, not the crown here and you know it bruce. all i am doing is providing feedback. you and i both know that i have been around longer than probably anyone in this challenge as well as you bruce. thecrown is still continuing to make a bad rep for himself and his clan i guess that is his choice.

-Edit, i wasted a little time so that people got the WHOLE STORY not just what thecrown wanted them to know.. see next post-

[reptile]

Those of you that dont want to read this please dont post about it. This will eliminate much arguing as this is the entire story, not just thecrowns side of it. I posted all and there is some adult language so if you get offended easily please dont read. However if you want to know what is going on and wont just take thecrowns word for it then please read on. If you are here to defend the crown (since he sent out all these sweet pm's to get help) then please make sure you read where the crown chimed in below and my responses to it, i am not really sure how you can back him up lol. the text in red is what i just added just now, the rest is all game chat.

First off its funny how i play with multiple Sgt's and Cpls that will give the other team a chance to see the map in fog games before they take their turn. Once you reach the rank of major almost everyone (not everyone knows or understands... but almost everyone) gives this common courtesy to their competition. I have sent out several pm's for important games to let them know that i would give them the courtesy if i go first to let them see the map and requested the same from them on other occasions. 95% of the time the response back i get is, "of course, i do that anyway". Strangely from thecrown all i get is a bunch of excuses about why he does it and then defends them like a noob. Also pretends he doesnt understand why or how that is an advantage.... what a noob, the proof is below. Also if i am not allowed to leave feedback on a clan war (which i personally believe should be required after all clan challenges as it is in the best intrest of all clans and cc) then ban me now... cause i wont be coming back period.

And for the record, here is the WHOLE STORY (unlike thecrown who obviously doesnt tell the whole story, i posted EVERYTHING. yes i use some bad language, but i dont really care. people like him deserve to be treated like an adult, this was private game chat but since there are mods being brought into the picture who only know half of the story i figure i can post it all for him/them to read. Thecrown reminds me of someone who will do anything to get what they want, then if he doesnt he goes crying to mommy or daddy, just as he did here and then not include the whole story. He thought the issue was that i thought there was a 12 hour fog rule when in fact never once did i mention anything about it, though i did mention multiple times that it was common courtesy. If you actually read it all you can catch thecrown changing his story or arguing about something that i was not even mentioning about 2 or 3 different times.

Instance #1
Game 10394056
2012-01-11 10:39:12 - Game has been initialized
2012-01-11 10:42:02 - TheCrown received 4 troops for holding Any Two Villages
2012-01-11 15:06:46 - reptile: wow crown, i would have expected more from someone as prestigious as you than join game and quick take the turn before we get a chance to see the map
2012-01-11 15:07:10 - reptile: yes we can still see most of the map, but cant see the differences
2012-01-11 15:07:47 - reptile: i would expect that from a lot of people (especially those that dont really know), but not an opponet like you man
2012-01-11 15:08:11 - reptile: anyway, not that big of a deal, just surprised me. anyway, gl guys lets do this! lol
My first meeting with him on a foggy map, realized he may be a cheap player that acts like a cook so i casually and polightly mention that i do not appreciate his depeption.

Instance #2
Game 10464726
2012-01-22 23:49:45 - Game has been initialized
2012-01-23 00:18:57 - TheCrown received 8 troops for 25 regions
2012-01-24 23:53:11 - reptile: nice try crown lol
2012-01-25 00:07:32 - reptile: well your bad sportsmanship paid off again crown, the dice screwed me over from being able to break that bonus you tried to hide that you took
He tried to take a bonus that we would have not known he had which is why he took his turn so quick, cheap noob move again. However i dont like to risk that he didnt take a bonus due to the fact that i was playing against none other than the noob thecrown himself. However the dice failed and his plan worked (not by deception which is how he planned, but by the dice failing on me).

Instance #3
Game 10481887
2012-01-24 14:06:44 - Game has been initialized
2012-01-24 14:30:03 - TheCrown received 3 troops for 9 regions
2012-01-24 17:26:59 - reptile: hi crown, up to yor old tricks again i see
2012-01-24 17:27:41 - reptile: anyway, have fun, may the dice at least be even
2012-01-24 23:29:11 - billclinton13: That is funny you can't even wait a little while for us to take a snapshot
2012-01-24 23:29:40 - billclinton13: when in some our past games I wait for you guys and sent you a message
2012-01-24 23:30:32 - billclinton13: It's alright though I'll enjoy your points : >
2012-01-25 00:21:46 - reptile: heh, ive looked and the crown does this in every game he plays in, he knows what he is doing and that it is unfair. he is an auto foe once this war is over. says alot for TNC, we have some guys that may not extend the curtesy of waiting but that is cause
2012-01-25 00:22:33 - reptile: they dont know better, while thecrown does it even though he knows its cheap as shit. i play for the competitive spirit, some of us take what we can get however we can get them..ahem ahem
2012-01-25 04:12:37 - dana1971: Crown is not like that. [Strange how he was 3 for 3 in games with me] He plays a lot of games. It's easy to forget to wait on certain games, because most of them you don't have to.
2012-01-25 19:56:41 - TheCrown: Very funny guys.... I don't remember there being a 12 hour rule set up. oh wait, that's because there wasnt' one.[and i never said there was... nope didnt. that is why i never asked for a remake or forefeit smart one]
2012-01-25 19:57:50 - TheCrown: I play around 100 games at once and don't always think about timeframe of things. [thats for sure]
2012-01-25 19:58:39 - TheCrown: If you want to foe me because I'm not adhering to rules that don't exist, then go for it. [again not even close to what i was saying i was going to foe him for, but i love the effort]
2012-01-25 20:00:26 - TheCrown: And sometimes that's just how it is when you are on your home maps... and that is why you are supposed to have your home games filled before the visitors join, because usually visitors just go [call me a noob to the clan wars (or have i been in twice as many as probably their whole clan combined) but no not even close, buzzzz....wrong!... maybe this is how TNC does it?]
2012-01-25 20:01:21 - TheCrown: Let me know if I am the only one on CC that is doing this and I will apologize.... otherwise I don't care
2012-01-25 20:03:14 - TheCrown: Plus, you all know what I did, it's your home map [does this make sence to ANYONE else?]
2012-01-25 20:05:18 - TheCrown: If I had a nickel for every time someone was visitors and took their turn before I looked, I'd be rich you must have a lot of multi's then that or play with sgt's and below often
2012-01-26 00:20:38 - reptile: no shit there wasnt one, every tournament i play in there isnt one, but its a common courtesy for those that know about it
2012-01-26 00:21:56 - reptile: the best clans on cc do it 100% of the time, including when there is not a rule set, i never said there was a rule set about it. it is about character. i have talked to thecrown about this before and mentioned it in every game i am in with him (because
2012-01-26 00:22:43 - reptile: yes he does it in every game, no matter what excuse he uses).
2012-01-26 00:23:46 - reptile: fyi it doesnt matter who home is genius, if we are home and you guys join then start doesnt mean we get to see the map, also i intentionally am not going to join games against your cheap clan first that are fog no matter who home is, there are no rules
2012-01-26 00:25:27 - reptile: against me waiting to join so that both teams get a FAIR advantage to compete... (not cheap tactics trying to win in any way possible), if you "didnt notice" due to your game load i aplogize for logging you into your account and joining games for you
2012-01-26 00:27:14 - reptile: secretly.... i do that so i can bitch about it later you know.. and if it was just this once then that is one thing but the fact that EVERY MAP WHERE I JOIN WITH THECROWN he does his cheap shit then i wouldnt care, but it isnt, so yes dana he is like tht. so yes i am foeing you and if i want to play someone that plays like a cook and uses dumb excuses like a cook then i will go play a cook. there are no rules against it ... correct, though i myself as well as most respecable ppl on cc frown upon that and then laugh at whatever retarded ass excuses that are made when it happens every time. we missed umpteen turns and have privates in our clan and have no chance to win this clan war, and you guys still come up with excuses to play cheap... WOW.
2012-01-26 01:56:12 - TheCrown: reptile, no one ever said anything to me AT ALL. [Really? or is this game #3 in a row that i mentioned at least something in the game chats?... told you this guy just talks out his but] That is a bunch of crap you are making up [really? see above] . Go look at the times of your posts... you only mention something after I took my turn. [yah, if you hadn't i wouldnt have issues. and btw i mentioned something in the two previous games, does your mind reset after every game you play then?]
2012-01-26 01:58:33 - TheCrown: I have talked to many people and have showed them what you are writing and they all have come up with the same conclusion... and it doesnt' look good for you. Why don't you foe me now, because that's what I'm going to do to you and your crazy ranting.
2012-01-26 04:43:43 - reptile: god u are one dumb idiot... how about you go look at the other games we have played in, did i say this specific game? ... hmmm.. nope. you have pulled this shit in at least 4 other games, and i know i posted in at least 3 of them. nice try though. keep up

To sum it up, this guy is the cheapest player ever, i mentioned to him that not all players on cc do the snapshot rule and that i was aware that it was not part of the challenge. in fact we have several players in RH that probably know nothing of the 12 hour rule if we had, just cause they are newer to the clan stuff. Again all this is mentioned in the chat. i merely thought it was lame of a player who has been in 4500 games to play cheap like that. After mentioning it to him in a couple different games he doesnt understand that it is wrong (notice i didnt say illegal). There was nothing mentioned in the war about the rule and that is why i was not asking them to forefeit any games (just think it is pathetic is all), which; is also why i am not asking for him to be banned or anything else, just let him know a piece of my mind and posted in the public challenge thread some feedback for their future clan wars. This is not wrong in any way shape or form... is it? Some may not do the 12 hour fog rule, but i do for every game that i play in as do 95% of all majors and above that understand what it is.

[BlackKnight_6]

As another leader of TNC I have to say I disagree with reptile here I think that Crown is a great player and in my experience fighting alongside and against him I have never, not once, ever seen him to be playing cheap or for cheap victories. Crown got his rank the hard way, and would not deliberately do something like this.

It's too bad that it has come to this here. I'm not into flaming or baiting but I have to put in a word here because this is getting out of hand.

I respect reptile's opinion but I think this is being made too much of. So far we have had no complaints about you guys, let's try to keep this civil from here on in.

[TheCrown]

Yes, RH are fine opponents.... besides the ranting. The Battle for Iraq and Das Schloss games I went ahead and just took my turns because I always do on those maps. I took all neutrals. Waterloo I just went ahead and attacked. My bad, sue me. I will give you guys the forfeit victory there because I guess that's what you really want because we are destroying you in the war. Really, it's just a game and this is way out of control.