The Catholic Tradition of Nazism

[pimpdave]

Why were so many Catholics Nazis? Experts have determined that it's because the Catholic church has so much in common with Nazism it was an easy, natural fit.

[the carpet man]

interesting that communists played a large part in ending the nazis (by invading germany in world war 2) and then the catholic church played a large part in taking down communism (through various eastern european countries)

if such nazi and catholic links really existed then maybe the catholic church was part motivated by revenge against the communists for what they did

[oVo]

There's no actual ideological link between these groups. Catholicism was it's own regime long before Nazis existed and they have always had their own agenda for world domination.

[pimpdave]

interesting that communists played a large part in ending the nazis (by invading germany in world war 2) and then the catholic church played a large part in taking down communism (through various eastern european countries)

if such nazi and catholic links really existed then maybe the catholic church was part motivated by revenge against the communists for what they did

Of course such links exist, a Nazi was recently appointed as Pope.

[oVo]

That's a stretch dave, but the Nazis certainly learned a lot from the Catholics.
Of course there's always curious dichotomies that occur where human beings
are involved, like the actions of the Ku Klux Klan and it's Christian members.

[CreepersWiener]

Catholics are gay.

[HapSmo19]

Shouldn't islam get a shout out here seeing as certain sects of that particular religion are brutally opressive and openly admit to wanting to kill all the jews?

Maybe the catholics are turning over a new leaf. You never know.

I hear the Democrat party did it with the whole split from the kkk/racist thing even though facts prove otherwise.

[nietzsche]

oK thats it. I;m officially fed up with pimpdave's threads.

[oVo]

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

[chang50]

Why were so many Catholics Nazis? Experts have determined that it's because the Catholic church has so much in common with Nazism it was an easy, natural fit.

Many theists like to link,erroneously in my view,atheism to communism,even though a majority of atheists are not communist.But then are outraged at the linking of Catholicism and Fascism,which is equally tenuous.More hypocrisy from some of the religious??

[oVo]

Experts have determined that it's because the Catholic church has so much in common with Nazism it was an easy, natural fit.

Expertly determined a natural fit? Pull the plug out of your bottom before the same experts declare your mind polluted by an unvented accumulation of toxic bullshit. With the abundance of Catholics in this world, there are bound to be curious associations that intersect throughout history. Have you investigated a Mexican connection or why so many Catholics speak Spanish?

Many theists like to link,erroneously in my view,atheism to communism,even though a majority of atheists are not communist.But then are outraged at the linking of Catholicism and Fascism,which is equally tenuous.More hypocrisy from some of the religious??

It's ironic that a group of non-believers could possibly be outraged by something that doesn't exist and is not even an issue. Then again it's a curious thing for anyone to refer to an atheist as religious. Of course I nearly neglected to consider the bigger link that binds these concepts which is that experts have determined that all the threads dave initiates are equally tenuous.

[aad0906]

Why were so many Catholics Nazis? Experts have determined that it's because the Catholic church has so much in common with Nazism it was an easy, natural fit.

Why single out Catholics, there were many Muslim Nazi's too. They even had their own SS units.



Also, I remember there were quite some Catholics that were persecuted by the Nazi's and there were a lot of Catholic soldiers fighting against the German army.

[BigBallinStalin]

Wait a minute, so according to the above sources, the Catholics were in cahoots with the Nazis, were persecuted by the Nazis, and were also fighting against the German army.


These Catholics place bets on all the horses, huh?

[chang50]

Many theists like to link,erroneously in my view,atheism to communism,even though a majority of atheists are not communist.But then are outraged at the linking of Catholicism and Fascism,which is equally tenuous.More hypocrisy from some of the religious??

It's ironic that a group of non-believers could possibly be outraged by something that doesn't exist and is not even an issue. Then again it's a curious thing for anyone to refer to an atheist as religious. Of course I nearly neglected to consider the bigger link that binds these concepts which is that experts have determined that all the threads dave initiates are equally tenuous.[/quote]

Two things, the quote was mine not PD's,and it is not curious to refer to an atheist as religious,my wife is one.If you do not believe me google the many atheistic religions,mainly in Asia,although Scientology has a strongish base in N.America.

[daddy1gringo]

You mean a lot of the Catholics in Germany during those years were Nazis? No shit, Sherlock. Germany is about evenly divided between Catholics and Lutherans, and just about everybody of every sort was forced or deluded into joining or cooperating with the Nazis. Way lame, dude.

[pimpdave]

Obviously the Nazis got all of their ideas from Catholic Tradition.

[daddy1gringo]

Obviously the Nazis got all of their ideas from Catholic Tradition.

Um, hardly.

"The Nazi conspirators, by promoting beliefs and practices incompatible with Christian teaching, sought to subvert the influence of the Churches over the people and in particular over the youth of Germany. They avowed their aim to eliminate the Christian Churches in Germany and sought to substitute therefore Nazi institutions and Nazi beliefs and pursued a programme of persecution of priests, clergy and members of monastic orders whom they deemed opposed to their purposes and confiscated Church property."

These statements are attributed to Hitler by his close associate Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk, A chapter in his 1953 book, Hitler:
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics."
"The final state must be: in St. Peter's Chair, a senile officiant; facing him, a few sinister old women, as gaga and as poor in spirit as anyone could wish."
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (10th October, 1941, midday)
"For my part, in his place [Il Duce] {Mussolini} I'd have taken the path of revolution. I'd have entered the Vatican and thrown everybody out — reserving the right to apologize later: 'Excuse me, it was a mistake!' But the result would have been, they'd have been outside!"
"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (14th October, 1941, midday)
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline."
"Christianity <is> the liar...
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity." (21st October, 1941, midday)
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease." (14th December, 1941, midday)
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>."
"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity."
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"We'll see to it that the churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. We shall continue to preach the doctrine of National Socialism, and the young will no longer be taught anything but the truth."

PD, I humbly submit that you are mistaken.

[PLAYER57832]

The Nazis USED the Roman Catholic Church and other churches (particularly the Lutheran Church).

People believed them for the exact same reasons so many people here proporting to be for freedom and so forth have no problem with politicians who will deny certain health care to other people, or who think its perfectly OK to have the "market" dictate wages... and then complain because those same WORKING people need subsidies to get by.

ETC, ETC.

People followed Nazism for a lot of reasons, but few had to do with being fundamentally evil and this is very important to accept. Mostly, they wanted better economic times, were willing to blame others for problems, or were just plain afraid to object.

[pimpdave]

[Juan_Bottom]

Dude why does oVo think that Mexico is full of Nazis?

[PLAYER57832]

Hitler came to and maintaine power in part because he was such a good, deceptive liar. I know people who were alive in countries occupied by Germany at the time, who inherently HATED him, but they said you would listen to him on the radio and everything he said made sense, it sounded as if he was talking directly to you. Then they turned the radio off and realized "hey, this is HITLER who was speaking!". If people in countries that hated Hitler could feel that way, then one can only imagine what people in countries without that inherent dislike must have felt.

Its easy to condemn people when you have no idea of what they went through. Its hard to accept that, given those circumstance, you might not have acted any differently... and sorry, pimp, but nothing you have said tells us that you would really act any differently. In fact, a lot of your posts seem to show you would just join the bandwagon. Being too quick to judge is bad whether you are conservative or liberal.

[pimpdave]

You're being awfully quick to judge me, but I'm not judging you, I'm only judging the Catholic church as an institution and it's ties to Nazism. If you disagree with my opinion and the evidence I keep supplying to support it, feel free to attack the ideas or even the methodology for acquiring these ideas (Lord knows your method for reaching conclusions is exactly the same as mine often is!), but don't attack me, I'm just the messenger.

Don't put me on trial just because the ideas (that haven't come out of a vacuum, you know) threaten the fantasy world of Catholic Church = Always The Good Guys that you want to be able to proclaim all the time.

[thegreekdog]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C ... the_Church

[Nola_Lifer]

More to what PD is leading on to here. To look back at history and make judgments on people who have their back to the wall isn't fair. How many others have been put in a situation where their people would be slaughtered or they could save them.

Cardinal Faulhaber is reported to have said: "With the concordat we are hanged, without the concordat we are hanged, drawn and quartered."





Why do you need to spread such hate, PD? Is it easier to get attention that way?