Golden Pantheon - Japanese - Endgame

[jonty125]

Well, all I can say is explain why I voted for cop (it was unintentional). When I claimed mason-lover it was because we could talk at night as well as die with each other. Anyhow, [color=#00BF0000]vote Medefe[/color] he seemed very agressive on drake's mafia maths and has been generally inactive.

But the standard lover mechanic means that lovers can talk at night anyways. The mason claim is redundant.

well usually (from what i have read on wiki) if jonty is mafia, sound will be some type of power role, this is usually done for balancing reason, now of course there is nothing set in stone about that.

Now i would vote for holding off with jonty being lynched this day at least and let him die another day.

Not necessarily. Tarantino Mafia I put straight goon/VT lover mechanics. And neither jonty nor sound has claimed any other powers.

As far I'm aware we're both VT's but sound will have to say for himself whether he is VT or not.

[soundman]

No special powers here.

[TheGeneral2112]

Yea, kay, so I was right on the money. Cool beans.

[TheGeneral2112]

God, I'm clear and people still don't fucking listen to me...

[edocsil]

Lets make sure to keep this moving here.

[freezie]

God, I'm clear and people still don't fucking listen to me...

People don't listen to you, really? You beleive Jonty is scum, Jonty is at l-1. What else you want to have? A speedlynch?

I also want Jonty hang for his role+the cop vote slip. However, if there is any other discussion that may come out, lewt it come out. Edoc has not announced a deadline yet, so why rush it? To satisfy your blood hunger?

For one, I am still slightly bit scarred of Everywhere's many ""claims?'' here. Either it's a coincidence, or my mind is set on him for a reason I don't know off, but he's always the first one to ask for a claim on most cases we had so far.

So if we're going to do a mistake here, at least don't let anyone off the ''hook'' ( not saying there's one since there's barely anyone on the hook....) by speedlynching someone.

[jonty125]

Edoc has not announced a deadline yet, so why rush it?

I recommend reading the rules

[soundman]

Can we get a prod on MeDeFe? Also where did Tails go? After his initial post against Jonty he hasn't posted once.

[everywhere116]

Can we get a prod on MeDeFe? Also where did Tails go? After his initial post against Jonty he hasn't posted once.

Day starts in Hectic in about 6 hours, so he should be here to kick that off, barring extenuating circumstances.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I would have to say that Tails does make some good points on Jonty but it's not enough for me to vote for. I still need to look back through Day 1 I guess to see if I could find anything more to go on.

@everywhere: considering the context, the "Claim?" comment did seem a bit open ended.

Read: SW tactic of agreeing with a case but not really talking about it.

It's a tactic?

I wouldn't necessarily say it's a bad thing, just a meta I've always kinda noticed about you. It seems the early stages of cases you won't say much, just that "this case has good points, bad points," without going into specifics, like you're digesting the info plus anything that others will add. I do the same really, but I don't post these initial posts like you, hence I usually may seem less active and have a smaller post count. So really that was just a note to myself, I guess.

Lovers kill themselves after their partner dies, masons don't, but they both have the ability to talk to one another, so there's no reason to combine the roles. I think he just added the "mason" part so that we wouldn't suspect that he could be a mafia lover.

That's up for interpretation. In my experience w/ Lovers or Siblings, they CAN'T communicate at night. I'd have to look back for reference to anything Edoku has done regarding Lovers. Additionally, in my experience, Lovers sometimes occupy different factions, whilst Siblings are part of the same faction. Again, these are all details that are up to the mod, though. So you could be right or wrong with that.

With a small game like this, I think it's most likely that jonty is scum. I would be a huge handicap to town if they were both town because then mafia would get an easy twofer, which is devastating in a game this size. So at this point, as everywhere said (iirc) are we willing to lose a townie for this? I think we bought some extra room by foiling the maf's kill last night, so I guess I'm up for it, much as I'd hate sacrificing soundman.

-Tails

[freezie]

Edoc has not announced a deadline yet, so why rush it?

I recommend reading the rules

True, I forgot about that. Still, we have 5 days left. My point stands.

[Victor Sullivan]

Hi! I think I'm mostly caught up now: jonty claims Lover, soundman confirms. Jonty appears to be scum by the Wikipedia entry... I dunno, I'm not fully convinced. I suppose the meta makes sense, given we likely have a third party or two we're dealing with as well, but I suppose there's risk involved in any lynch we make. I'm tempted to hammer, as we don't have much else. If they both flip town, I'd be interested in pursuing a case on strike wolf, as I thought his putting jonty at L-1 so quickly with a weak "I hope I'm right" seems shaky to me, especially since it was not long after soundman claimed Izanagi:

Well I hope I'm right because I have every reason to believe that your claim is real Sound...I have every reason to doubt Jonty's alliance.

vote Jonty

-Sully

[jonty125]

I would be a huge handicap to town if they were both town because then mafia would get an easy twofer, which is devastating in a game this size.

-Tails

Well, in Egypt town had 2 one-shot killing roles and I think the game had less players than this, so lovers aren't out of the question?

[safariguy5]

I would be a huge handicap to town if they were both town because then mafia would get an easy twofer, which is devastating in a game this size.

-Tails

Well, in Egypt town had 2 one-shot killing roles and I think the game had less players than this, so lovers aren't out of the question?

True, but if I may Meta a bit more, these games usually have some mechanics that change. Last game was the SK/Mafia traitor, so I wouldn't put it past edoc to put in a mafia/town lover mechanic this game.

[soundman]

I would be a huge handicap to town if they were both town because then mafia would get an easy twofer, which is devastating in a game this size.

-Tails

Well, in Egypt town had 2 one-shot killing roles and I think the game had less players than this, so lovers aren't out of the question?

True, but if I may Meta a bit more, these games usually have some mechanics that change. Last game was the SK/Mafia traitor, so I wouldn't put it past edoc to put in a mafia/town lover mechanic this game.

Very true. But here's a plus side if Jonty is scum, I'm practically invincible! Mafia won't kill me because they wouldn't want to lose a member with me.

[Victor Sullivan]

Yeah, but you're kinda useless, since you're not really a power role.

Meh, I guess I'll give the nail the ol' tap: vote jonty

-Sully

[freezie]

Alright, Yea, seems like activity won't pick up until some actions are done :S I beleive VS just hammered but I'll add my grain of salt to it:

Vote: jonty

[TheGeneral2112]

Lets make sure to keep this moving here.

kk, VOTE JONTY

PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE CLEAR

kkthxbaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

[strike wolf]

I keep popping my head in to say something but I keep running a blank.

As far as people questioning my "I hope I'm right" answer. I think I have a right to be a bit worried about potentially lynching two townies based as much on flavor speculation as anything else. I went with it because reading the description for Izanami I couldn't see how that role could be town aligned.

[TheGeneral2112]

Oh god, I posted without reading what other people posted. Sorry for not realizing that Jonty was lynched. Anyway, waiting on Edoc. Take your time, brah. I know you're doing this shit from your phone/tablet. No hurry.

[soundman]

Well I'm sorry to go. But if it gets a scum out of the game, then great!

[jonty125]

Well I'm sorry to go. But if it gets a scum out of the game, then great!

Alas, it doesn't.

[edocsil]

Lynch noted. Late tomorrow I will be back home and will have access to my role sheet. Feel free to continue to discus till then.

[TheGeneral2112]

Well I'm sorry to go. But if it gets a scum out of the game, then great!

Alas, it doesn't.

The lynch has already been noted by the mod. Can you tell us now? Are you scum?

[jonty125]

No, I aren't. That's what I meant by the post.