According to the CDC What Percentage of Gay Men Have HIV?

[pimpdave]

CDC data shows that 4% of the American population is homosexual. I'm curious as to everyone's perception of this issue. Without looking it up, what do you think?




http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/doc ... 08comp.pdf

[Army of GOD]

Where's the 100% option?

[rdsrds2120]

Someone voted 50%? What?

-rd

[pimpdave]

Someone voted 50%? What?

-rd

Interestingly, according to the data, half of the gay men in America with HIV don't know they have it, so that might be what they're thinking.

[pimpdave]

It's really interesting how people are voting. I'm curious as to the general perception on this and how that perception is formed.

[BigBallinStalin]

Perhaps selecting "50%" yields the most lulz?

[Maugena]

Voted 10%... My bias was thinking it was higher than that, but I'm surprised my guess was an undershot.

[Phatscotty]

Who voted 1%?

[Army of GOD]

Who voted 1%?

the 99%

[rdsrds2120]

Who voted 1%?

the 99%

-rd

[Symmetry]

I'd go with around 1%, possibly less, but that's global rather than CDC, which I guess only covers the US.

[Phatscotty]

Who voted 1%?

the 99%

Who voted homogenized?

[pimpdave]

I'd go with around 1%, possibly less, but that's global rather than CDC, which I guess only covers the US.

Wow, global's actually significantly higher than the US, according to the WHO, but I'm not surprised you'd say something something like you did, given your expressed bias in the past.

Now I'm even more curious, what are the homosexual CCers guessing, without looking, the percentage of homosexual men with HIV are in the US? I ask because one would think they'd know this already, considering their persuasion. How much do homosexuals skew down? Because that appears to be the trend.

[Symmetry]

I'd go with around 1%, possibly less, but that's global rather than CDC, which I guess only covers the US.

Wow, global's actually significantly higher than the US, according to the WHO, but I'm not surprised you'd say something so incredibly ignorant, given your expressed bias in the past.

Hmm, so if we take a fairly standard estimate of the world population as around 7 billion. Halve that roughly for a population of 3.5 billion males.

Approximate percentages of homosexuality among males at around 5%- there are figures higher, and figures lower, so I've just gone for that one, we get a figure worldwide of around 175 million homosexual males.

The WHO puts HIV/AIDS infection among males globally at around 15 million. So even if we assume that all those males who have HIV are homosexual males, we have a figure of around 10%.

Factoring out children we can eliminate about 1.5 million HIV infected males, bringing the percentage (again, assuming that all HIV infected adult males are gay), even lower.

I think it's fair to assume at this point that not all of the remaining HIV infected adult males are in fact gay, so I'm going with the low number on this one.

[pimpdave]

Your premise failed in the beginning. You're assuming there's more homosexuals than there are and further limit the sampling to fit the conclusion you want to reach.

Which reinforces my theory that your presumption skews low. That's interesting, considering your actual odds of surviving a round of Russian roulette are better than having gay sex with a partner who doesn't have HIV.

But all of this is immaterial to the point of this thread, which is about the incidence of infectious, deadly disease in the homosexual population of the US.

[Juan_Bottom]

5% was an easy guess because of all the information available today about AIDs. Doesn't matter what my preferences are; I'll do anything to keep from being labeled "idiot."

[Symmetry]

Your premise failed in the beginning. You're assuming there's more homosexuals than there are.

Which reinforces my theory that your presumption skews low. That's interesting, considering your actual odds of surviving a round of Russian roulette are better than having gay sex with a partner who doesn't have HIV.

Oh come off it, your premise was flawed from the beginning. Your CDC data doesn't talk about gay men at all, let alone give a figure on a percentage of gay men with HIV.

I've presented my reasoning, and the best you can do is a "Nah-uh" response.

[pimpdave]

It's in the link I provided. It's 20%.

1 in 5 gay or bisexual men (so basically men who have sex with other men, or MSM, as the CDC shortens it) in America have HIV and that data is already two years old.

[Symmetry]

It's in the link I provided. It's 20%.

1 in 5 gay men in America have HIV and that data is already two years old.

BS, I looked at the link, and it doesn't say that.

[pimpdave]

Says so on the second page, called the "fact sheet" in one of the bullet points.

[Symmetry]

Says so on the second page, called the "fact sheet" in one of the bullet points.

Care to quote it? Or shall I? Of course, your weird argument falls apart under the light of day, so I'll let you quote the part that justifies your statements about gay men.

[pimpdave]

Overall, one in five MSM participating in the
study was infected (19 percent). While MSM of
all races and ethnicities were severely affected,
black MSM were particularly impacted.

[Symmetry]

Overall, one in five MSM participating in the
study was infected (19 percent). While MSM of
all races and ethnicities were severely affected,
black MSM were particularly impacted.

And there we go, nothing about gay men.

[rdsrds2120]

It's in the link I provided. It's 20%.

1 in 5 gay or bisexual men (so basically men who have sex with other men, or MSM, as the CDC shortens it) in America have HIV and that data is already two years old.

Actually, they make it very clear that they're not referring to sexuality, and that they're watching you:

1 The term men who have sex with men is used in CDC surveillance systems. It indicates the behaviors that transmit HIV infection, rather than how individuals self-identify in terms of their sexuality.

-rd

[pimpdave]

Overall, one in five MSM participating in the
study was infected (19 percent). While MSM of
all races and ethnicities were severely affected,
black MSM were particularly impacted.

And there we go, nothing about gay men.