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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) The Ante is Upped

Postby ghostly447 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:43 pm

Rodion wrote:
pancakemix wrote:Open Question: Without actually naming the contradiction, can anyone in here say they knew what contradiction ghostly was talking about in regard to Looten?


I "understood" after Ghostly explained it D2. When Looten made the challenge (lynch him and if he is town lynch Ghostly next) Ghostly spun this into a "how can you be town if you don't care who's lynched which is mafia behaviour" and thus considered this a contradiction, which he later acknowledged not to be a "textbook" contradiction. I personally only understood the explanations after Looten got "baited" into raging and got modkilled, but it is possible that Ghostly explained it before D1 ended somewhere around the biblical quotes and the major mutual raging I quite frankly did not bother to read.

ghostly447 wrote:And lets not single anyone out! I will make a random order list for a yoshi roll call (not role like your actual role, just sign in and give you input!)


This reminds me of a funny story. It involved Yoshi and Zimmah if I recall correctly.

ghostly447 wrote:1. He understands day one lynches, and how random they are and how much info they give. That shows town in my eyes.


That shows he possesses (or pretended to possess) general mafia knowledge. Period.

ghostly447 wrote:2. Thinks I should be lynched if he flips town. That shows Mafia in my eyes because why if he was town would he want another towny to risk that? He did flip town, therefore the blame is on me for you know..Leading a fucking case the second I got here. But it still would favor mafia if he flipped town then I did too.. Mafia.


Couldn't he truly believe you were mafia? This way, after being lynched D1 at least he would have helped town (from his perspective) in that he set up mafia (you, again from his perspective) for the D2 lynch.

Besides, if he flipped mafia as you suspected he would, all this would be moot, no?

ghostly447 wrote:3. He knows I dont 100% know but still wants me to put my life on the line. Mafia.


Why mafia? If he flipped mafia this would all be moot and you would not be lynched. If he flipped town, then he's proven town. This is to say I don't see the mafia motivation in saying "lynch me and if I flip town lynch player X".


You have your points, but what if I am not mafia? What if he didnt make a counter case (he didnt) so he could not honestly say that I was mafia except for OMGUS because I was leading his lynch...So, I guess OMGUS has its benefits, but is it really something town can be able to lynch a suspected mafia over? Its all kind of silly if that is how people play.

I can accept that some of my points are not fully, if at all, strong. But I am doing what I can to keep this game active. If that is scummy, lynch me now. Here is the random generator:

Shieldgenerator7 - Skip he is out of town.
Kratos644 - Skip unless he has any more input (enough input given)
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Fircoal replaced by ghostly447 - I dont think I have to give much more since I obviously wont listen to any new input. :P
TA1LGUNN3R
Edocsil
Iron Butterfly
Freezie
Pancakemix - Skip unless he has any more input (enough input given)
zimmah
Victor Sullivan
Eldario
strike wolf - Give quite a bit of input. May have a bit more to say (always does) but I wont be heartbroken if he doesnt. (enough input given)
Some7hingclever
jonty125

Lets get it done:

The marks are my personal opinion. I dont care if they do or dont add more input. If the others dont give any more input, then I may be pretty disappointed after everything that has been said.

The game is for fun, but its only fun if you give input IMO. So lets get to it!
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) The Ante is Upped

Postby kratos644 on Sat Apr 28, 2012 2:33 am

ghostly447 wrote:
Rodion wrote:
pancakemix wrote:Open Question: Without actually naming the contradiction, can anyone in here say they knew what contradiction ghostly was talking about in regard to Looten?


I "understood" after Ghostly explained it D2. When Looten made the challenge (lynch him and if he is town lynch Ghostly next) Ghostly spun this into a "how can you be town if you don't care who's lynched which is mafia behaviour" and thus considered this a contradiction, which he later acknowledged not to be a "textbook" contradiction. I personally only understood the explanations after Looten got "baited" into raging and got modkilled, but it is possible that Ghostly explained it before D1 ended somewhere around the biblical quotes and the major mutual raging I quite frankly did not bother to read.

ghostly447 wrote:And lets not single anyone out! I will make a random order list for a yoshi roll call (not role like your actual role, just sign in and give you input!)


This reminds me of a funny story. It involved Yoshi and Zimmah if I recall correctly.

ghostly447 wrote:1. He understands day one lynches, and how random they are and how much info they give. That shows town in my eyes.


That shows he possesses (or pretended to possess) general mafia knowledge. Period.

ghostly447 wrote:2. Thinks I should be lynched if he flips town. That shows Mafia in my eyes because why if he was town would he want another towny to risk that? He did flip town, therefore the blame is on me for you know..Leading a fucking case the second I got here. But it still would favor mafia if he flipped town then I did too.. Mafia.


Couldn't he truly believe you were mafia? This way, after being lynched D1 at least he would have helped town (from his perspective) in that he set up mafia (you, again from his perspective) for the D2 lynch.

Besides, if he flipped mafia as you suspected he would, all this would be moot, no?

ghostly447 wrote:3. He knows I dont 100% know but still wants me to put my life on the line. Mafia.


Why mafia? If he flipped mafia this would all be moot and you would not be lynched. If he flipped town, then he's proven town. This is to say I don't see the mafia motivation in saying "lynch me and if I flip town lynch player X".


You have your points, but what if I am not mafia? What if he didnt make a counter case (he didnt) so he could not honestly say that I was mafia except for OMGUS because I was leading his lynch...So, I guess OMGUS has its benefits, but is it really something town can be able to lynch a suspected mafia over? Its all kind of silly if that is how people play.

I can accept that some of my points are not fully, if at all, strong. But I am doing what I can to keep this game active. If that is scummy, lynch me now. Here is the random generator:

Shieldgenerator7 - Skip he is out of town.
Kratos644 - Skip unless he has any more input (enough input given)
crazymilkshake5 replaced by Rodion
Fircoal replaced by ghostly447 - I dont think I have to give much more since I obviously wont listen to any new input. :P
TA1LGUNN3R
Edocsil
Iron Butterfly
Freezie
Pancakemix - Skip unless he has any more input (enough input given)
zimmah
Victor Sullivan
Eldario
strike wolf - Give quite a bit of input. May have a bit more to say (always does) but I wont be heartbroken if he doesnt. (enough input given)
Some7hingclever
jonty125

Lets get it done:

The marks are my personal opinion. I dont care if they do or dont add more input. If the others dont give any more input, then I may be pretty disappointed after everything that has been said.

The game is for fun, but its only fun if you give input IMO. So lets get to it!

I definitely won't have any additional input til at least Tuesday. I'm working 12 hours a day every day this weekend so it's a tad bit hectic with that on top of the other stuff I do as well. So when I finally get a day off Tuesday I might be able to find something new to add but for the time being I have nothing as I have barely even had the time to take my turns this week. For now I'm going to bed and hopefully there will be something fun for me to reply to Tuesday.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Sat Apr 28, 2012 12:20 pm

does this mean noone else can talk at all? im kinda confused.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) The Ante is Upped

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Apr 28, 2012 8:55 pm

Ghostly (2) - strike wolf, pancakemix
No lynch (1) - shield
pancakemix (1) - ghostly

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.
Deadline is May 6th.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Sat Apr 28, 2012 11:39 pm

ghostly wrote:Okay Tailgunner. No input again. I know you dont give a f*ck, but come on man.


As robust and impressive as my vocabulary might be, arguing about word definitions doesn't really get my juices going.

And I've tried, really. Every time I go to tackle those hued walls you've posted, my mind just goes blank with apathy. I don't really know what you've been arguing about. The best I can gather is that you've reacted to pretty much every single thing and managed to write as much as you can about it in a most confusing manner.

Also, for what it's worth, I can't stand the replies in the quotes practice. Just copy and paste.

I'll try and whip up something coherent for tomorrow.

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby jonty125 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:34 am

Deadline is Sunday, and we don't have many cases. Will go for a re-read.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Apr 30, 2012 4:49 pm

Mass prod will come tomorrow again, although the last one didn't work out well. Hopefully, day 3 will be better (like day 1 was).
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Mon Apr 30, 2012 9:51 pm

ok why is noone talking.
this role cale thing is not working i think. should we just drop it or what?
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby ghostly447 on Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:10 pm

Unvote (if needed) vote no lynch. It is clear that no one is going to post so maybe this will get activity to spike..A no lynch is always controversial.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby pancakemix on Mon Apr 30, 2012 10:52 pm

ghostly447 wrote:Unvote (if needed) vote no lynch. It is clear that no one is going to post so maybe this will get activity to spike..A no lynch is always controversial.


Eh, your motive is obvious though. You don't really mean it, so there won't be controversy.

Also, forgive me if I had to walk away from this one for a few days. Discussion was going nowhere and it was starting to drive me nuts.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Tue May 01, 2012 6:17 am

pancakemix wrote:
ghostly447 wrote:Unvote (if needed) vote no lynch. It is clear that no one is going to post so maybe this will get activity to spike..A no lynch is always controversial.


Eh, your motive is obvious though. You don't really mean it, so there won't be controversy.

Also, forgive me if I had to walk away from this one for a few days. Discussion was going nowhere and it was starting to drive me nuts.


lol i think its a good thing we were all going at it and getting really nowhere. i thnk its good we all took a step back and cleared our head.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Eldario on Tue May 01, 2012 6:28 am

sorry my Internet was out yesterday
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Tue May 01, 2012 6:29 am

Eldario wrote:sorry my Internet was out yesterday


i think everyones was ;)
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Eldario on Tue May 01, 2012 7:33 am

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
Eldario wrote:sorry my Internet was out yesterday


i think everyones was ;)


yes it looks that way doesn't it :)
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Tue May 01, 2012 8:11 am

lol ok so where do we go from here.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby jonty125 on Tue May 01, 2012 11:25 am

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:lol ok so where do we go from here.


Well make a case. I'll go for a re-read and see if I can pick up any scumtells.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Rodion on Tue May 01, 2012 8:34 pm

This is how town lost Pokemon Chapter 1. Total apathy. At one point in the game we KNEW who had to be lynched, but we just didn't have enough players interested enough to drop by and cast the vote (the fact that the other game had millions of survivors didn't help either).

I know I've been busy and uninterested (probably for the same reason everyone seems to have lost interest), but we must make an effort to have players constantly participating.

How about we all make a top 3 list of scummy players (with reasoning) by, say, thursday? My list as of now is Zimmah, Tail and Ghostly in no particular order, pending a reread. I'll explain why I suspect them by thursday (unless the reread changes my mind regarding my top 3, of course).
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Rodion on Tue May 01, 2012 8:35 pm

Yoshi, prod everyone again if possible!
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby ghostly447 on Tue May 01, 2012 8:55 pm

I guess since there hasnt been much input the only ones I can suspect at all are the ones thats have already defended themselves.
Kratos - Not really scummy anymore besides SW trying to clear him
Strike Wolf - Not really scummy anymore besides trying to clear himself
Zimmah - I guess because even as I was accusing him he seemed to be taking the back seat while the others defended against their case - Scummiest to me
PCM - Not really scummy anymore

So really the only case I could see pursuing is Zimmah as to why he remained so quiet while he should have been included in defending, but provided liners instead.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Tue May 01, 2012 9:02 pm

ghostly447 wrote:I guess since there hasnt been much input the only ones I can suspect at all are the ones thats have already defended themselves.
Kratos - Not really scummy anymore besides SW trying to clear him
Strike Wolf - Not really scummy anymore besides trying to clear himself
Zimmah - I guess because even as I was accusing him he seemed to be taking the back seat while the others defended against their case - Scummiest to me
PCM - Not really scummy anymore

So really the only case I could see pursuing is Zimmah as to why he remained so quiet while he should have been included in defending, but provided liners instead.


i agree with this but will come up with more reasons tommorow.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby jonty125 on Wed May 02, 2012 10:09 am

Neither VS or IB has posted once since D2!!!

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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby edocsil on Wed May 02, 2012 10:21 am

I have to read before I can make a serious argument, but I would put Ghostly at the top of my scum list.

Two people I would be ok to hang would be VS and IB to to a total absence.

Ill see what I can get for this game later this afternoon. my GP and some IRL stuff is coming first.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby edocsil on Wed May 02, 2012 3:06 pm

edocsil wrote:I have to read before I can make a serious argument, but I would put Ghostly at the top of my scum list.

Two people I would be ok to hang would be VS and IB to to a total absence.

Ill see what I can get for this game later this afternoon. my GP and some IRL stuff is coming first.



Jesus, and that reread reminded me why I was having a hard time sticking with this game. PAGES of garbage.

Other scummy guy I get is S7C

This is a decent recap of nearly all of S7C's actions

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Haggis_McMutton wrote:Ugh, these prolonged debates between experienced players on D1 annoy me... you just know it's going nowhere.

I don't really feel the case against PCM or PMC, both of them explained themselves well imo (also could you guys have more confusing nicknames, jeez).

I do find it interesting that the case on PMC seems quite similar to my case on jonty, only where my case went nowhere, the one on PMC got to L-3 pretty fast and received reactions like:

Some7hingCLEVER wrote: =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
i have a new found respect for you man lol finally someone does something to move the game along
unvote vote pmc for one this case is well thought out and is the best case today
two..because it has merit and we need some kind of pressure on him
three...because someone finally made another case


This seems slightly fishy, but maybe I suck at presenting cases or something, oh wellz.


the quote you posted was mostly a joke cause i was waiting for a better case to present itself so that's why i did that and i believe i said i would do that earlier in the game

Follow, follow, follow. Little original thought, high post count. Many links to Ghostly who I also think is scummy, although some I do chalk up to IRL connections (That's bad too, but w/e), so a lynch could provide profitable leads.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby edocsil on Wed May 02, 2012 3:09 pm

Meh, triple post but IDGAF. WHY ARE THERE NO CLAIMS YET? Take your balls out of your purses ladies and at least TRY to get someone swinging.
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Re: PKMN Chap 2: Day 2(15/18) Replacement needed

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Wed May 02, 2012 3:35 pm

edocsil wrote:
Other scummy guy I get is S7C

This is a decent recap of nearly all of S7C's actions

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
Haggis_McMutton wrote:Ugh, these prolonged debates between experienced players on D1 annoy me... you just know it's going nowhere.

I don't really feel the case against PCM or PMC, both of them explained themselves well imo (also could you guys have more confusing nicknames, jeez).

I do find it interesting that the case on PMC seems quite similar to my case on jonty, only where my case went nowhere, the one on PMC got to L-3 pretty fast and received reactions like:

Some7hingCLEVER wrote: =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>
i have a new found respect for you man lol finally someone does something to move the game along
unvote vote pmc for one this case is well thought out and is the best case today
two..because it has merit and we need some kind of pressure on him
three...because someone finally made another case


This seems slightly fishy, but maybe I suck at presenting cases or something, oh wellz.


the quote you posted was mostly a joke cause i was waiting for a better case to present itself so that's why i did that and i believe i said i would do that earlier in the game

Follow, follow, follow. Little original thought, high post count. Many links to Ghostly who I also think is scummy, although some I do chalk up to IRL connections (That's bad too, but w/e), so a lynch could provide profitable leads.


thank god someone got the game moving again. to bad its on me lol. its funny actually the fact that i agree with him is so wierd cause i never do and i usually do if its under good reason. but i feel like thats not all my post consist of. i feel like i post some of my own thought and its tough when you get two pages behind especially during day one where everything was hectic i get two pages behind and i read and say "oh ill say something about that" *three posts later* "damn someone already said that" i find it hard to be over-original in some games. i try my best to get my own thoughts out but its dificult when everyone says your thoughts for you cause all you can do is agree and as i have found out ..that is scummy.
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