Conquer Club

Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ Endgame, Scum win!

Housing completed games. Come take a walk through a history of suspicion!

Moderator: Community Team

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby safariguy5 on Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:14 pm

vodean wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
vodean wrote:on the other hand, when i claimed with no pressure, i was innocent, so that does make sense.

No, I had pressure, you had 0 pressure. I'm pretty sure I was heading for a claim anyways. Nobody had any reason to suspect you more than anyone else. The situations are different but you are choosing to focus on the number of votes only. Unless you were throwing your vote on me just to see my reaction, you must admit that you yourself were looking for a claim from me. Which makes the situations different.

i was going for a reaction. i did not think your reaction was that great.

Ok...so what am I supposed to say? "Vodean is being passive-aggressive, probably because she still holds the Day 1 claim against me, putting me in a no win situation by revealing that thor targeted me and casting enough doubt on me that I felt obligated to claim. Then she turns around and claims the whole reason for her getting people to vote me was to gauge a reaction and she never really meant for me to claim."

If you really wanted to gauge my reaction, you would have voted me before revealing thor's action, but by revealing his action (allegedly) you now pressure me by insinuating that I was somehow involved in the kill. The logical response would be to claim.

If this is some gambit of yours, I think you played it extremely heavy handedly, and honestly I think you're using my reaction as a self-fulfilling reason to push for my lynch.
Image
User avatar
Captain safariguy5
 
Posts: 1449
Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:42 pm
Location: California

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:18 pm

vodean regardless of if your town or mafia you should never claim early. ever. your supposed to try and keep mafia in the dark. if you told me i could claim early and then use that as a defense to say im town and i had nothing to hide i would call B.S. i could just as easily come up with a fake claim at l-2 as at l-8 so that is not a good defense on your part.

fastposted-

agreed just cause a vig targets someone does not make them scum.
User avatar
Cadet Some7hingCLEVER
 
Posts: 0
Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:07 am

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby vodean on Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:02 pm

safariguy5 wrote:
vodean wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
vodean wrote:on the other hand, when i claimed with no pressure, i was innocent, so that does make sense.

No, I had pressure, you had 0 pressure. I'm pretty sure I was heading for a claim anyways. Nobody had any reason to suspect you more than anyone else. The situations are different but you are choosing to focus on the number of votes only. Unless you were throwing your vote on me just to see my reaction, you must admit that you yourself were looking for a claim from me. Which makes the situations different.

i was going for a reaction. i did not think your reaction was that great.

Ok...so what am I supposed to say? "Vodean is being passive-aggressive, probably because she still holds the Day 1 claim against me, putting me in a no win situation by revealing that thor targeted me and casting enough doubt on me that I felt obligated to claim. Then she turns around and claims the whole reason for her getting people to vote me was to gauge a reaction and she never really meant for me to claim."

If you really wanted to gauge my reaction, you would have voted me before revealing thor's action, but by revealing his action (allegedly) you now pressure me by insinuating that I was somehow involved in the kill. The logical response would be to claim.

If this is some gambit of yours, I think you played it extremely heavy handedly, and honestly I think you're using my reaction as a self-fulfilling reason to push for my lynch.

im not pushing for anything. because it would seem that the mafia targeted you, i dont think you are mafia. for that reason, i have not voted you. I am merely making a point. I also never pushed for you to claim, and was a little shocked when you did.
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby / on Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:06 pm

Well, since the mod has said the scene is innacurate, I suppose the case of the target being the potential killer isn't really there anymore, Unvote.
Sergeant 1st Class /
 
Posts: 484
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:41 am

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby vodean on Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:41 pm

can we get a vote count please?
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby everywhere116 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:34 am

/ wrote:Well, since the mod has said the scene is innacurate, I suppose the case of the target being the potential killer isn't really there anymore, Unvote.
All of the scenes used to come with disclaimers that no game related info would be provided. Now people are divining info from the scenes.

So, I guess the only legitimate case remains in clever, then?
"Disease, suffering, hardship...that is what war is all about."-Captain Kirk, from "A Taste of Armageddon"
User avatar
Corporal everywhere116
 
Posts: 1718
Joined: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:37 am
Location: Somewhere on this big blue marble.

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby vodean on Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:30 am

everywhere116 wrote:
/ wrote:Well, since the mod has said the scene is innacurate, I suppose the case of the target being the potential killer isn't really there anymore, Unvote.
All of the scenes used to come with disclaimers that no game related info would be provided. Now people are divining info from the scenes.

So, I guess the only legitimate case remains in clever, then?

well kinda, but the case against clever is simply that he is an idiot.
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby freezie on Sun Jun 17, 2012 10:54 am

everywhere116 wrote:All of the scenes used to come with disclaimers that no game related info would be provided. Now people are divining info from the scenes.




I miss that time..Guess some people thinks that having a role name associated with a theme has to change how the scenes work...
Image
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class freezie
 
Posts: 3901
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:18 pm
Location: Somewhere between here and there.

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby vodean on Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:07 pm

freezie wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:All of the scenes used to come with disclaimers that no game related info would be provided. Now people are divining info from the scenes.




I miss that time..Guess some people thinks that having a role name associated with a theme has to change how the scenes work...

or the fact that there is no disclaimer.
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby freezie on Sun Jun 17, 2012 1:01 pm

vodean wrote:
freezie wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:All of the scenes used to come with disclaimers that no game related info would be provided. Now people are divining info from the scenes.




I miss that time..Guess some people thinks that having a role name associated with a theme has to change how the scenes work...

or the fact that there is no disclaimer.


Shouldn't need to have one. Vanilla mafia had no actions in the scene.

'' Vodean (Cop) Has died. Day 2 begins ''

We didn't know wether it was the vig or the mafia. Or which got protected by the doctor.
Image
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class freezie
 
Posts: 3901
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:18 pm
Location: Somewhere between here and there.

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby vodean on Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:06 pm

freezie wrote:
vodean wrote:
freezie wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:All of the scenes used to come with disclaimers that no game related info would be provided. Now people are divining info from the scenes.




I miss that time..Guess some people thinks that having a role name associated with a theme has to change how the scenes work...

or the fact that there is no disclaimer.


Shouldn't need to have one. Vanilla mafia had no actions in the scene.

'' Vodean (Cop) Has died. Day 2 begins ''

We didn't know wether it was the vig or the mafia. Or which got protected by the doctor.

you had me for a second. im not sure what bearing vanilla mafia have... its power mafia and mafia GF we are talking about. the vig played a part. but the mafia and their beast did too. we know that. we can read that far in, at the very least
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby safariguy5 on Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:10 pm

I wouldn't expect other night actions to show up in the scenes anyways. I mean, I've never seen a cop do an investigation in the scene unless that was tied to the result of the night kill (i.e. cop is targeted for the nightkill).
Image
User avatar
Captain safariguy5
 
Posts: 1449
Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:42 pm
Location: California

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (11/12)

Postby freezie on Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:57 pm

vodean wrote:
freezie wrote:
vodean wrote:
freezie wrote:
everywhere116 wrote:All of the scenes used to come with disclaimers that no game related info would be provided. Now people are divining info from the scenes.




I miss that time..Guess some people thinks that having a role name associated with a theme has to change how the scenes work...

or the fact that there is no disclaimer.


Shouldn't need to have one. Vanilla mafia had no actions in the scene.

'' Vodean (Cop) Has died. Day 2 begins ''

We didn't know wether it was the vig or the mafia. Or which got protected by the doctor.

you had me for a second. im not sure what bearing vanilla mafia have... its power mafia and mafia GF we are talking about. the vig played a part. but the mafia and their beast did too. we know that. we can read that far in, at the very least




Oh, no, I was talking about themeless mafias. Those don't show what killed whoever died.
Image
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class freezie
 
Posts: 3901
Joined: Fri Apr 06, 2007 12:18 pm
Location: Somewhere between here and there.

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby vodean on Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:39 pm

safariguy5 wrote:I wouldn't expect other night actions to show up in the scenes anyways. I mean, I've never seen a cop do an investigation in the scene unless that was tied to the result of the night kill (i.e. cop is targeted for the nightkill).

yup. thats entirely true. fos freezie for perma-skimming? imsorry if im dumb right now. im so drunk that i have tunnel vision. kinda kewl. see you in the morning when im sober. note to self: no drunken posts.
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby / on Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:17 pm

Where has everyone gone?

anyhow, the case on clever, since it seems to need clarification
Vodean starts questioning jonty, and clever comes in with this
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
vodean wrote:
jonty125 wrote:
vodean wrote:. you havent even stated you reasons for supporting the case.


That's why I aren't voting. I'm not in full approval of the case but will help if needed.

so what you're saying is that you dont support the case, but will vote on it if it becomes popular


i think he meant that he will help the case progress if needed



in response vodean mentions to clever that jonty is only posting one liners, 13 min later clever counters with this large post.

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
vodean wrote:
Djfireside wrote:
vodean wrote:
jonty125 wrote:
vodean wrote:. you havent even stated you reasons for supporting the case.


That's why I aren't voting. I'm not in full approval of the case but will help if needed.

so what you're saying is that you dont support the case, but will vote on it if it becomes popular


This is one reason I left the vote, has no other input but will play the safe role of hitting L-2 and sideline through.

im with you, but think that we cant forget saf either.

clever, he never contributes. posts max one or two lines and votes. thats it.


oh the irony...

vodean wrote:ill just shut up now. i like to be very active and post a lot, but clearly, you guys dont know me well enough to trust me, and so im just not gonna be as active or pushy.

is there really not a SINGLE person who sees what i see though?

vodean wrote:Thor is by definition important.

I am the victim here.

if im not making much sense its cuz its very very late here and im sleeping already.

vodean wrote:i DO have a role PM. i cant quote it, as per the OP, and i really dont want to reveal more than i have to, but i do have it. im not sure why you are so interested in it...

vodean wrote:since i'm masoned to him, i DO!! thats what ive been saying. we got ONE role PM.

vodean wrote:i claimed mason. without a counter-claim (it would be worth it to expose anyone to kill a mafia), i think theres not much to be said.

vodean wrote:
Djfireside wrote: So I take it that you are town aligned then?

really? you ask this now :-s ? YES!!! i am town.
FOS DJ for skimming

vodean wrote:
jonty125 wrote:Same as /, I don't see how I said anything against saf, in the posts you have quoted.

to me you seem a little iffy, but then again, it seems like i see you as iffy in matrix as well, so maybe your meta pisses me off. given my situation, i cant really complain if thats the case. i do think you might be worth looking into, but lets see if anyone comes up with a better case first.

vodean wrote:i dont think that there's a great case against saf, but i DO think that its better than the case against me atm, and people are still pushing me.

vodean wrote:thats pretty much where im at too


and there is about 15 more but i dont wanna make this post to big.



when it is mentioned that clever defends jonty, he responds with this post to excuse it (possibly distancing himself from the ensuing scene)
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:
strike wolf wrote:I'm more interested in Jonty than Safari. S7C and him have kind of started to defend each other from accusations.


if anyone has noticed i pretty much defend anyone. if i dont think they have done it or there is a possibility they are town i defend on them and try to show what i see. but lately i have been being called on it so maybe i wont anymore.


This, coupled by the unusual behavior concerning Thor (trying to get town against him.) I will vote clever
Sergeant 1st Class /
 
Posts: 484
Joined: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:41 am

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:25 pm

does anyone have any cases they would like to present? theres the case on saf from yesterday, but that i think is done.

jonty is dead. i am essentially cleared.

i suppose clever is the best case, but i dont think its a great case. since we dont have any better ideas and because clever has only been holding town back so far, i will vote clever.
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby Djfireside on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:16 pm

UNVOTE

I will go with saf's claim for now. I guess since Clever did play along with Jonty in the case I guess that does warrant the pressure so I will play along as there is not much else that is occuring and would be good to hear who they are and can work from that.

VOTE Clever
Always question things given too easily.
Private Djfireside
 
Posts: 123
Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2010 2:52 pm
Location: Miami

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:29 pm

i will claim now since i dont know when i will be back on.

i am the FREYR when i am killed my hammer dies along with me and when i die i result a double night meaning two nights follow so mafia would get more kills (i assume thats how it works i was only told it was a double night.)
User avatar
Cadet Some7hingCLEVER
 
Posts: 0
Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:07 am

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby vodean on Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:49 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:i will claim now since i dont know when i will be back on.

i am the FREYR when i am killed my hammer dies along with me and when i die i result a double night meaning two nights follow so mafia would get more kills (i assume thats how it works i was only told it was a double night.)

where are the clever, NG1, ghostly, SG7 crew at atm?? they are all gone. 1 by one.
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby everywhere116 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:26 pm

Some7hingCLEVER wrote:i will claim now since i dont know when i will be back on.

i am the FREYR when i am killed my hammer dies along with me and when i die i result a double night meaning two nights follow so mafia would get more kills (i assume thats how it works i was only told it was a double night.)

Your claim isn't without it's doubts. Freyr wasn't associated with a hammer (That's Thor's thing); he was a fertility god that was associated with a magical sword (phallic symbolism definitely intended). Although he is very important and I would expect him to be in the game.
"Disease, suffering, hardship...that is what war is all about."-Captain Kirk, from "A Taste of Armageddon"
User avatar
Corporal everywhere116
 
Posts: 1718
Joined: Sat Sep 16, 2006 9:37 am
Location: Somewhere on this big blue marble.

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby Some7hingCLEVER on Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:45 pm

everywhere116 wrote:
Some7hingCLEVER wrote:i will claim now since i dont know when i will be back on.

i am the FREYR when i am killed my hammer dies along with me and when i die i result a double night meaning two nights follow so mafia would get more kills (i assume thats how it works i was only told it was a double night.)

Your claim isn't without it's doubts. Freyr wasn't associated with a hammer (That's Thor's thing); he was a fertility god that was associated with a magical sword (phallic symbolism definitely intended). Although he is very important and I would expect him to be in the game.


bad wording...whoever hammers me dies along with me
User avatar
Cadet Some7hingCLEVER
 
Posts: 0
Joined: Tue Jan 24, 2012 9:07 am

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby safariguy5 on Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:59 pm

Huh...so you're claiming Beloved Princess Bomb? Interesting, I suppose it could scare us off voting you because not only would you kill the hammer, you would also leave us with double night phase which could result in 2 NK's.

I'm trying to decide if this is a very ballsy fakeclaim or not, I really see no scenario where it leads to town not losing at least a little. If you get lynched, then we lose a player. That could be mafia or it could be town, but then we get hit with 2 night phases where we're probably going to lose 2 townies.

If you get NKed, then depending on if your bomb ability kills the NK person, we may get a mafia player, but we still then skip the day phase into another night phase where we probably lose another townie.

Either scenario ends up with at least 2 townies dead vs 1 mafia (maybe).
Image
User avatar
Captain safariguy5
 
Posts: 1449
Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:42 pm
Location: California

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby vodean on Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:29 am

i think we ought to keep an eye on clever but save him for later--- not worth the risk atm.
Image
<NoSurvivors› then vote chuck for being an info whore
User avatar
Sergeant vodean
 
Posts: 948
Joined: Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:37 pm

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby soundman on Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:37 pm

I think he's telling the truth. From reading Wikipedia, "Freyr was associated with sacral kingship, virility and prosperity, with sunshine and fair weather, and was pictured as a phallic fertility god, Freyr "bestows peace and pleasure on mortals"."

If he were to die I'd assume there would be quite a bit of mourning which would result in a longer night. I don't really see how him killing the hammer vote works into the mythology though.
User avatar
Lieutenant soundman
 
Posts: 450
Joined: Mon Feb 04, 2008 12:36 pm
Location: Washington

Re: Golden Pantheon - Norse ~ D2! (10/12)

Postby edocsil on Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:20 am

8 days till deadline. Player with the most votes at deadline will be hung. Tie results in a No Lynch.

Going to add this to the rules



VC

Clever (4) ~ PCM Safari / DjFireside
Safari (1) ~ Vodean

10 alive 6 to lynch.
Edoc'sil

Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.

zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class edocsil
 
Posts: 102
Joined: Sat Apr 28, 2007 8:09 am
Location: The Great State Of Minnesota

PreviousNext

Return to Mafia Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users