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Democratic National Convention

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Sep 03, 2012 12:08 pm

America and it's states have changed a lot since 2010....

RALEIGH, N.C. -- When Democrats from around the country gather this week in Charlotte to nominate President Barack Obama for a second term, some may not feel completely at home despite the Southern hospitality.

Although the party was eager last year to pick a convention city that would help it expand its foothold in the New South, the selection of Charlotte has been a source of consternation among key constituencies and uncertainty among Democratic strategists.

Gay rights activists, for example, plan to protest for same-sex marriage in a state where North Carolina voters easily passed a constitutional amendment banning it. Members of another key Democratic group, organized labor, intend to picket, too, in part because union leaders are unhappy Democrats picked a state long viewed as hostile to them.

The Democratic National Convention begins Tuesday, Sept. 4.

Even North Carolina Democrats have found the state to be cooler lately, with Republicans winning control of the state Legislature in 2010 and considered favorites to capture the governor's mansion this year.

And if Democrats were hoping that North Carolina would provide a narrative to support the president's case that the economy is on the rebound, they must be disappointed.

The state has an unemployment rate of 9.6 percent -- one of the highest in the country. The Charlotte metro rate is even higher at 10 percent, making it more difficult to portray the city of 750,000 as on the cusp of recovery
after its once-soaring banking industry tumbled.

"The plan was that Charlotte would allow them to give the message that the banks went down, but Charlotte is coming back, just like the country," said Eric Heberlig, a political science professor at the University of North Carolina-Charlotte. Heading into this week, he added, "it's harder to use Charlotte as the place for the national economic turnaround, driven by Obama economic policies."

Democrats remain hopeful that the convention will help launch Obama to a repeat of his upset victories in North Carolina and neighboring Virginia in 2008.

"There are a lot of things in his favor," said state Rep. Mickey Michaux of Durham, a Democratic convention delegate, citing Obama's work to rescue the auto industry and lead military efforts to kill 9/11 mastermind Osama bin Laden. He said North Carolina voters understand that Obama has been hamstrung by Republican obstructionists in Congress to improve the economy and that the president still "holds out our hope for what people want to see."

Two years ago, Democrats had good reason to have North Carolina on their minds.

After all, North Carolina voters had handed Obama a narrow victory over Republican John McCain in 2008, the first for a Democratic presidential candidate since Jimmy Carter in 1976. Obama's win was partly due to a strong showing in urban centers such as Charlotte.

But now, as nearly 6,000 Democratic delegates and tens of thousands of others head to North Carolina's largest city, they may appreciate why one political analyst called North Carolina "an ambivalent state."

And some of the national party's main constituencies have not been shy about their displeasure with the more conservative politics of the host state.

May's passage of the gay marriage ban, which was backed by evangelist and North Carolina icon Billy Graham among others, provided a dose of reality to liberal activists, revealing a gap between Obama and more socially conservative North Carolina voters. The day after the referendum, the president voiced his support for gay marriage.

The selection of Charlotte remains a sore point with unions, which gave $8.3 million toward the 2008 convention in Denver that nominated Obama. This time, many unions are refusing to financially support the convention because of North Carolina's ban on collective bargaining for teachers and other public workers, which contributes to the state's lowest-in-the-nation rate for organized workers.

The state's political picture also doesn't reflect the North Carolina of 2008, when Democrats retained their near-lock on legislative and executive branches, thanks in part to Obama's coattails.

Two years later, economic concerns helped Republicans win control of the state Legislature for the first time in 140 years.

Things didn't get any better for state Democrats this year. Democratic Gov. Beverly Perdue decided against an uphill re-election fight, leaving the party scrambling to find a candidate. Then the executive director of the state party quit amid sexual harassment allegations, and the national party was unable to nudge aside state party Chairman David Parker, who had approved a settlement with the alleged victim, a party employee who alleged he was fired for speaking up.

But Democratic strategists say none of these issues will matter once the convention begins and the party starts delivering its message to voters.


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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:14 pm

America and its state have indeed changed a lot since 2010, Phatscotty.

They got a whole nearly 2 years older.

Father time beckons!


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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:25 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:America and its states have indeed changed a lot since 2010, Phatscotty.

They got a whole nearly 2 years older.

Father time beckons!


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The entire world will soon see that they once again can count on the citizens of America to do the right thing.
Change we can count on...

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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:55 pm

I'm Gonna Dig Myself A Hole: Arthur Crudup [1951]

I might dig myself a hole
Move my baby down in the ground
I might dig myself a hole
Move my baby down in the ground
You know when I come out
There won't be no wars around





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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Sep 03, 2012 1:59 pm

Good times
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Woodruff on Mon Sep 03, 2012 6:23 pm

Phatscotty wrote:The entire world will soon see that they once again can count on the citizens of America to do the right thing.
Change we can count on...


You've made a lot of guarantees over the last year or so. I can't recall a single one of them actually happening, and in fact, your guarantees have gotten weaker and weaker (Ron Paul-wise) over the same timeframe. Now you're down to simply saying that Obama won't be elected? That's the best thing that's happened out of all of your Ron Paul rhetoric? How sad that you're still plugging away trying to pretend that you haven't lost everything you've worked for. But hey, you were never a libertarian anyway, so I guess it's no real loss.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Juan_Bottom on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:00 pm

Bummer: Anti-DNC music fest canceled because nobody bought tickets

The event was originally scheduled to be held in the 11,000-seat Bojangles Arena, according to WSOC-TV’s Linzi Sheldon, but just 300 tickets were sold.



Bummer.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Phatscotty on Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:22 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The entire world will soon see that they once again can count on the citizens of America to do the right thing.
Change we can count on...


But hey, you were never a libertarian anyway...


yet, you are a troll. Give it up, stalker

I have never made a guarantee about Ron Paul or Mitt Romney or anything like that (nice troll move), and I have never claimed to be anything other than a fiscally concerned registered Independent and a member of the Tea Party (again, nice troll move), so please, for the love of Mr. Spock, STFU about Libertarianism and me. It's so dumb...You are beating a dead horse that does not even exist
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby codeblue1018 on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:22 am

I will guarantee that my man Mitt gets elected. :P

Let's just hope for the sake of the good ole' US of A. Four more years of Obama will be disasterous for this country. I normally refrain from engaging in political rehetoric as it seems it ALWAYS ends up in arguments. I, probably like a lot of peeps in here am an independent; best person for the job mentality. That said, not that I agree with all of what Mitt stands for, I just believe he's the best choice of the two.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:30 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:Bummer: Anti-DNC music fest canceled because nobody bought tickets

The event was originally scheduled to be held in the 11,000-seat Bojangles Arena, according to WSOC-TV’s Linzi Sheldon, but just 300 tickets were sold.



Bummer.


Maybe they are just too busy focusing on beating Obama on his failures on jobs and the economy to be protesting the DNC with music. IMO, that doesn't even sound like something righties would do....
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 04, 2012 12:34 am

codeblue1018 wrote:I will guarantee that my man Mitt gets elected. :P

Let's just hope for the sake of the good ole' US of A. Four more years of Obama will be disasterous for this country. I normally refrain from engaging in political rehetoric as it seems it ALWAYS ends up in arguments. I, probably like a lot of peeps in here am an independent; best person for the job mentality. That said, not that I agree with all of what Mitt stands for, I just believe he's the best choice of the two.


This is a good example of how effective the political system is in reinforcing the two-party system. Here, our subject is also copy-pasting the rhetoric of his sources, which reinforce his voting decision.

Had McCain or Romney been president at that time, either would've VERY LIKELY bailed out the banks. It's a monetary policy issue, which he isn't knowledgeable of, so he'd leave it to the "experts." Unemployment paychecks may not have been extended for as long, since the recipients are not in McCain's/Romney's voting markets.

We would have had a shuffling of the costs, but a small difference in the total outcomes.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Nobunaga on Tue Sep 04, 2012 6:01 am

... Interestingly, photo ID is a requirement to get into the convention.

... Racist shites.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby tzor on Tue Sep 04, 2012 7:26 am

Phatscotty wrote:America and it's states have changed a lot since 2010....


AndyDufresne wrote:America and its state have indeed changed a lot since 2010, Phatscotty.


I do believe you dropped an "s" there, Andy.

Oh look, here it is, I found it for you.

You can thank me later.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Sep 04, 2012 8:44 am

tzor wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:America and it's states have changed a lot since 2010....


AndyDufresne wrote:America and its state have indeed changed a lot since 2010, Phatscotty.


I do believe you dropped an "s" there, Andy.

Oh look, here it is, I found it for you.

You can thank me later.


Works either way, state or states. Nice try though. Thanks for playing, tokens available below. ;)


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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Woodruff on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:50 am

Phatscotty wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:The entire world will soon see that they once again can count on the citizens of America to do the right thing.
Change we can count on...


But hey, you were never a libertarian anyway...


yet, you are a troll. Give it up, stalker

I have never made a guarantee about Ron Paul or Mitt Romney or anything like that (nice troll move), and I have never claimed to be anything other than a fiscally concerned registered Independent and a member of the Tea Party (again, nice troll move), so please, for the love of Mr. Spock, STFU about Libertarianism and me. It's so dumb...You are beating a dead horse that does not even exist


Do you really want me to break out the quote-machine to embarrass you again? You'd really save yourself a lot of trouble if you'd just keep track of your own bullshit. Perhaps you could keep it in an Excel spreadsheet or something?
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby tzor on Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:24 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:Works either way, state or states. Nice try though. Thanks for playing, tokens available below. ;)


Are these GAME tokens? ;)

Just don't say that in front of a libertarian like Mike Church. He can rant for hours on the air how the United States went from a "plural" to a "singular" as the result of the EVIL Lincoln administration.

Back on topic, Andrew Wilkow just reported that he had heard that during the afternoon Radio Row was completely empty. At the RNC, Radio Row was crowded with peple lining up to do interviews on the many radio programs on radio row as well as people who wanted to watch their favorite radio hosts broadcast their shows. The emptyness says volumes.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 04, 2012 2:26 pm

tzor wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:Works either way, state or states. Nice try though. Thanks for playing, tokens available below. ;)


Are these GAME tokens? ;)

Just don't say that in front of a libertarian like Mike Church. He can rant for hours on the air how the United States went from a "plural" to a "singular" as the result of the EVIL Lincoln administration.



Mike Church rings a bell, hey Greekdog, is that the guy you were always telling me to check out?
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:22 pm

Nobunaga wrote:... Interestingly, photo ID is a requirement to get into the convention.

... Racist shites.


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=177176&start=0

Here, I started this thread so people could educate themselves about voter ID. Cheers.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:31 pm

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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:34 pm

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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:41 pm

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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:51 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Image



Republicans have voted 33 times to repeal Obamacare.

They have introduced 44 bills on abortion, which they know that they can't even change without a Constitutional Amendment.

They have introduced 0 jobs bills.

They have repeatedly blocked Obama's job's bill.

OH SHIT SON, YOU JUST GOT EDUCATED!


Why then, it must mean that.... Republicans are the one's blocking job growth?
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Juan_Bottom on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:54 pm

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Romney: U.S. economy ‘getting better’ under Obama

INGRAHAM: You’ve also noted that there are signs of improvement on the horizon in the economy. How do you answer the president’s argument that the economy is getting better in a general election campaign if you yourself are saying it’s getting better?

ROMNEY: Well, of course it’s getting better. The economy always gets better after a recession, there is always a recovery. […]

INGRAHAM: Isn’t it a hard argument to make if you’re saying, like, OK, he inherited this recession, he took a bunch of steps to try to turn the economy around, and now, we’re seeing more jobs, but vote against him anyway? Isn’t that a hard argument to make? Is that a stark enough contrast?

ROMNEY: Have you got a better one, Laura? It just happens to be the truth.


This is the kind of truth PS must be talking about?




“More jobs were created in the private sector last year alone than in all eight years of George W. Bush”


Wait.... but that's your candidate endorsing Obama's record of economic growth?
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 04, 2012 11:58 pm

Easy now. I was ripping on Obama and his record-setting unemployment record, not you. No need to get defensive, or start trying to educate me. We both know Obama's Stimulus Bill was supposed to have the unemployment rate at 4% at this moment in time. We both know Obama had unstoppable super majorities in 2009-2010, and could have done whatever he wanted, yet he wasted all his time and efforts and a highly unpopular new entitlement program, right smack in the face of a credit downgrading. We both know Obama let you down, and now you are just lashing out at the world.

Republicans are blocking government growth, which you try to disguise as "jobs". Growing the government does not grow jobs. The failure of Obama's Stimulus Bill is proof. The way to grow jobs and the economy is for the government to stop taking so much money out of the economy and out of the paychecks of job-holders and job creators!

Obama has declared war on jobs. He wants America downgraded, out of fairness. Obama is the snake-oil salesman smooth talker, sent here by the super rich to get away with lying to the people and feeding them a lower standard of living for as long as Juan Bottoms everywhere will gulp it down and ask for seconds.
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Re: Democratic National Convention

Postby Juan_Bottom on Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:09 am

None of that makes any sense. Republicans have done nothing. They've just sat in place trying to make Obama fail. They haven't even tried to create any jobs. It's like, the least patriotic thing that I can think of, short of COD:MW2 the airport.

What part of Obama's Job Bill grows the government? Everyone knows that Obama has worked hard to shrink the number of public sector jobs in Federal Government.
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