Just create a sub-forum for american politics [Poll added]

[HapSmo19]

All I said is that you don't see nothing wrong with the way things are, as you pointed out in this same thread.

Is it wrong that I imagine some sort of heavy chicano accent when I read your posts?

If you could throw a "ese" or "vato" in here and there I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

EDIT: PS: Don't forget "holmes".

[saxitoxin]

How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

When someone says "THE Queen" I assume they mean Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, though they could mean Queen Beatrix of Dutchland.

When someone says "THE Franc" I assume they mean the extinct French Franc, even though they could mean the extant Swiss Franc.

When someone says "BERLIN" I assume they mean Berlin, Germany, even though they could mean Berlin, Wisconsin.

When someone says "NIETZSCHE" I assume they mean the Conquer Club poster, even though they could mean the Prussian romance novelist.

[chang50]

How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

When someone says "THE Queen" I assume they mean Queen Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom, though they could mean Queen Beatrix of Dutchland.

When someone says "THE Franc" I assume they mean the extinct French Franc, even though they could mean the extant Swiss Franc.

When someone says "BERLIN" I assume they mean Berlin, Germany, even though they could mean Berlin, Wisconsin.

When someone says "NIETZSCHE" I assume they mean the Conquer Club poster, even though they could mean the Prussian romance novelist.

So when we have a topic about the domestic affairs of an unspecified country,WHY is it always the USA? Weight of numbers?Love those Prussian romance novels lol..

[Funkyterrance]

I feel the frustration expressed by Neitzsche when he says Americans,by which he means USA,think they are the centre of the world.Personally I reckon its so deeply imbued in the collective consciousness of the country that it never even occurs to most of them,so I can't ascribe any malice here,just fatuousness.How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

Believe it or not I actually research the aspects of threads that I don't understand to get at least a basic understanding. Does that surprise you, me being an American? I'm actually a bit taken aback by the broad stereotypes you guys evidently subscribe to. What other prejudices are you harboring, I'm curious? Are we all fat and lazy too?
Loads of flak? Oh please.

Your response bears no relation to what I posted,your misunderstanding of my point just further emphasises it...btw nothing I said was directed at individuals,hence 'collective consciousness'.It is sometimes called the 'biggest dog on the block mentality'.In my experience very few of your compatriots recognize it..

My point was you were making generalizations about Americans. That's one relation to what you posted that I will point out. Any others you are going to have to find yourself since I'm a lazy American.

[chang50]

I feel the frustration expressed by Neitzsche when he says Americans,by which he means USA,think they are the centre of the world.Personally I reckon its so deeply imbued in the collective consciousness of the country that it never even occurs to most of them,so I can't ascribe any malice here,just fatuousness.How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

Believe it or not I actually research the aspects of threads that I don't understand to get at least a basic understanding. Does that surprise you, me being an American? I'm actually a bit taken aback by the broad stereotypes you guys evidently subscribe to. What other prejudices are you harboring, I'm curious? Are we all fat and lazy too?
Loads of flak? Oh please.

Your response bears no relation to what I posted,your misunderstanding of my point just further emphasises it...btw nothing I said was directed at individuals,hence 'collective consciousness'.It is sometimes called the 'biggest dog on the block mentality'.In my experience very few of your compatriots recognize it..

My point was you were making generalizations about Americans. That's one relation to what you posted that I will point out. Any others you are going to have to find yourself since I'm a lazy American.

Thing is there's more than a grain of truth to the generalization that Americans(usa) see themselves as the greatest country in the history of the world.Thats twice now you've mentioned lazy,whats that about?

[Funkyterrance]

Thing is there's more than a grain of truth to the generalization that Americans(usa) see themselves as the greatest country in the history of the world.Thats twice now you've mentioned lazy,whats that about?

It was a reference to my earlier quote (sarcasm). I'm sorry if you missed the humor but don't blame me. Tbh I'm getting tired of spelling things out for you...
I'll bet I could come up with a generalization about your home country that may apply to the majority of your fellow citizens and that you personally would consider insulting. Sound like fun or would I be acting like an ignorant ass?

[chang50]

Thing is there's more than a grain of truth to the generalization that Americans(usa) see themselves as the greatest country in the history of the world.Thats twice now you've mentioned lazy,whats that about?

It was a reference to my earlier quote (sarcasm). I'm sorry if you missed the humor but don't blame me. Tbh I'm getting tired of spelling things out for you...
I'll bet I could come up with a generalization about your home country that may apply to the majority of your fellow citizens and that you personally would consider insulting. Sound like fun or would I be acting like an ignorant ass?

Well I knew what I said would be unpopular and misunderstood by some..no generalisation about my birth country true or not could ever insult me personally,I don't identify that strongly with geographical accidents.

[Pedronicus]

I hardly ever post new threads in this forum because they get buried under the USA political threads.

[BigBallinStalin]

I agree that it is well known stereotype but whether or not it is a fact i am not so sure. It is something that many people like to say. The reasons are as much psychological as related to any factual basis.

BBS I think that there are many things happening in Mexico that are nothing to do with drug bosses. Why would any discussion about Mexican politics have to focus on that?

You're absolutely right, pickle. I was definitely saying that the only thing to talk about in Mexico and its politics is drug cartels.

[BigBallinStalin]

The thing is Americans think they are the center of the world and they can't see it in another way.

Feel free to discuss the recent capture of Fatso, a major Mexican drug trader of the Gulf region.

But maybe you don't care about politics in your own country?

But nietzsche doesn't have the option to discuss Fatso because he has no countrymen here to sustain such a discussion. Nietzsche only has a hypothetical freedom to discuss Mexican issues. Freedom doesn't exist where it can't be realized. Just like Natty can't discuss Santa Claus or whatever it is The Finn talks about because there's only one of him.

I'm ready and willing.

[BigBallinStalin]

I hardly ever post new threads in this forum because they get buried under the USA political threads.

USA! USA!
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USA! USA!

[maxfaraday]

I hardly ever post new threads in this forum because they get buried under the USA political threads.

USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!

U Suck Anuses?

[fadedpsychosis]

I hardly ever post new threads in this forum because they get buried under the USA political threads.

USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!
USA! USA!

U Suck Anuses?

I thought that was a French institution...? no wait, that's sadism.

[saxitoxin]

The thing is Americans think they are the center of the world and they can't see it in another way.

Feel free to discuss the recent capture of Fatso, a major Mexican drug trader of the Gulf region.

But maybe you don't care about politics in your own country?

But nietzsche doesn't have the option to discuss Fatso because he has no countrymen here to sustain such a discussion. Nietzsche only has a hypothetical freedom to discuss Mexican issues. Freedom doesn't exist where it can't be realized. Just like Natty can't discuss Santa Claus or whatever it is The Finn talks about because there's only one of him.

I'm ready and willing.

oh, I bet you are, boi

[IcePack]

Ban political threads!

[Woodruff]

I feel the frustration expressed by Neitzsche when he says Americans,by which he means USA,think they are the centre of the world.Personally I reckon its so deeply imbued in the collective consciousness of the country that it never even occurs to most of them,so I can't ascribe any malice here,just fatuousness.How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

True enough...I succumb to this myself, in regards to, for instance, not specifying which economy I'm discussing or whatever. To be honest, I just don't think about it (which maybe goes back to your fatuous thought, but I think in my case it's more applicable that I'm just lazy).

[chang50]

I feel the frustration expressed by Neitzsche when he says Americans,by which he means USA,think they are the centre of the world.Personally I reckon its so deeply imbued in the collective consciousness of the country that it never even occurs to most of them,so I can't ascribe any malice here,just fatuousness.How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

True enough...I succumb to this myself, in regards to, for instance, not specifying which economy I'm discussing or whatever. To be honest, I just don't think about it (which maybe goes back to your fatuous thought, but I think in my case it's more applicable that I'm just lazy).

Thanx for your honesty such a nice change from knee-jerk defensiveness!

[Woodruff]

I feel the frustration expressed by Neitzsche when he says Americans,by which he means USA,think they are the centre of the world.Personally I reckon its so deeply imbued in the collective consciousness of the country that it never even occurs to most of them,so I can't ascribe any malice here,just fatuousness.How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

True enough...I succumb to this myself, in regards to, for instance, not specifying which economy I'm discussing or whatever. To be honest, I just don't think about it (which maybe goes back to your fatuous thought, but I think in my case it's more applicable that I'm just lazy).

Thanx for your honesty such a nice change from knee-jerk defensiveness!

Screw you!

[thegreekdog]

I feel the frustration expressed by Neitzsche when he says Americans,by which he means USA,think they are the centre of the world.Personally I reckon its so deeply imbued in the collective consciousness of the country that it never even occurs to most of them,so I can't ascribe any malice here,just fatuousness.How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

True enough...I succumb to this myself, in regards to, for instance, not specifying which economy I'm discussing or whatever. To be honest, I just don't think about it (which maybe goes back to your fatuous thought, but I think in my case it's more applicable that I'm just lazy).

While it is admirable to wish to discuss things not applicable in one's own country, most of the frequenters of this forum (at least for the last four years or so), have been English speaking folks from the United States. So I would expect any political discussions to revolve around the United States, rather than Mexico or Finland or any other country. Perhaps if this was a Spanish language forum where most of the frequenters of said forum were Mexicans the "center of the world" characteristic would be applicable.

To make an analogy: Let's say we're in New York City and everyone is talking about the New York Yankees baseball team, at the exclusion of all other baseball teams. Would you feel justified to comment that "Yankee fans believe they are the center of the baseball world?"

[chang50]

I feel the frustration expressed by Neitzsche when he says Americans,by which he means USA,think they are the centre of the world.Personally I reckon its so deeply imbued in the collective consciousness of the country that it never even occurs to most of them,so I can't ascribe any malice here,just fatuousness.How often do we see a topic talking about THE constitution or THE dollar or THE economy,as if nowhere else has these things.Can you imagine an Australian for example talking about their domestic affairs on an international forum without specifying the Aussie dollar,or the Aussie economy?No doubt I will get loads of flak here but what the hell..

True enough...I succumb to this myself, in regards to, for instance, not specifying which economy I'm discussing or whatever. To be honest, I just don't think about it (which maybe goes back to your fatuous thought, but I think in my case it's more applicable that I'm just lazy).

Thanx for your honesty such a nice change from knee-jerk defensiveness!

Screw you!

I was referring to knee-jerk defensiveness from other posters,sorry if that wasn't clear..

[maxfaraday]

@TGD:

Yes, a majority of those who post in here are Americans.
Can't deny it.

But the majority of posts are also made by a MINORITY (2 or 3 members, you know who you are) and are only about US politics).

They're trying to spread the Holy Word...
I think everyone got the message and knows what point they're trying to make by now, so just give them their own place to bitch about this and that.

Others already have pointed this out: it makes less room for topics that actually could be very interresting but get lost in oblivion because basically everything is a reason for a minority to talk about US politics.

(and no, just because I'm french doesn't mean I hate America, I'm not a cliché).

[thegreekdog]

@TGD:

Yes, a majority of those who post in here are Americans.
Can't deny it.

But the majority of posts are also made by a MINORITY (2 or 3 members, you know who you are) and are only about US politics).

They're trying to spread the Holy Word...
I think everyone got the message and knows what point they're trying to make by now, so just give them their own place to bitch about this and that.

Others already have pointed this out: it makes less room for topics that actually could be very interresting but get lost in oblivion because basically everything is a reason for a minority to talk about US politics.

(and no, just because I'm french doesn't mean I hate America, I'm not a cliché).

I will agree that there are too many threads about similar topics. For example, I don't believe we need fifteen threads just on the upcoming election. And I admit that I did not do enough to curb that as a moderator.

[pickleofdoom]

I agree that it is well known stereotype but whether or not it is a fact i am not so sure. It is something that many people like to say. The reasons are as much psychological as related to any factual basis.

BBS I think that there are many things happening in Mexico that are nothing to do with drug bosses. Why would any discussion about Mexican politics have to focus on that?

You're absolutely right, pickle. I was definitely saying that the only thing to talk about in Mexico and its politics is drug cartels.

That was obviously not what i was getting at, as i am sure you know. My point was that you just came out with the kind of stereotypical thing that is easy for foreigners to know about Mexico. But the real issues which affect people day to day in a place are not often like that. Often they are incomprehensible to outsiders and if you try to discuss it out of context you are just talking to yourself.

[saxitoxin]

I agree that it is well known stereotype but whether or not it is a fact i am not so sure. It is something that many people like to say. The reasons are as much psychological as related to any factual basis.

BBS I think that there are many things happening in Mexico that are nothing to do with drug bosses. Why would any discussion about Mexican politics have to focus on that?

You're absolutely right, pickle. I was definitely saying that the only thing to talk about in Mexico and its politics is drug cartels.

That was obviously not what i was getting at, as i am sure you know. My point was that you just came out with the kind of stereotypical thing that is easy for foreigners to know about Mexico. But the real issues which affect people day to day in a place are not often like that. Often they are incomprehensible to outsiders and if you try to discuss it out of context you are just talking to yourself.

true - like "salsa or guacamole?"

[pickleofdoom]

Yes. To me, salsa just means sauce, so guacamole is just a type of salsa. But maybe if i went to Mexico and said that they would all stare at me in amazement.



b.t.w. BBS I think the tone of my above message was a bit unnesecary. I can tell by your posts that you are open minded about discussing the issues other people bring to the table. I just took exception to your example, because it is i think more of an exception than an example.

For example (or exception ), if this forum was all people from outside the USA debating US foreign policy and wars, would it be entirely satisfying for you?
If we talk about the USA, everyone can discuss the rights and wrongs of wars and such, but when it comes to things like the typical attitude of new yorkers towards people from the east coast or whatever, or how conservatives define the word progressive, i as an outsider have little to no idea. It is a mystery to me. But when americans discuss, it seems that those things are important to them and so they seems to be indispensable, or at least add to the richness of the thing.

I remember i once had cable TV with fox news chgannel. Watching it was like stepping into the twilight zone. I had no context in which to understand it. I feel the same way whenever i see anything posted by phatscotty. He might as well come from planet Jupiter.