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jak111 wrote:I'm feeling fine Pancake, but unless someone got information, it's best to leave the mafia in the dark and collect more and more info that we can use against them. Will someone die tonight? Most likely. Will we lose a power role by tomorrow, most definitely. However, we do not need to paint targets for mafia across the map, no, we need to keep them in the dark for now as much as we are and allow those with investigative roles get more information on what's going on.
With a game this size there COULD be up to 8 mafia, that's terrible to just start letting them get in without anyone with actions being able to counter their claims as to what they do.
To be honest, with a game this size and the number of it, I think angels are town, demons are mafia, and the humans are 3rd party. Though unless someone feels like giving us an example/claim I doubt I can really prove humans being in this game.
Have I lost my head? Maybe, but after playing over at Epic Mafia for what seems a longish time lately I have come to the realization that there are other ways to go about doing this. Taking advantage of a night with no kills is one of those advantages. To not take control of that advantage and gather more invaluable intel for the long days to come would be a waste. In fact, it'd be like the town wanted to lose.
We lynch/pressure today we most likely kill/out a town power role, we no lynch today and go into the night all the town pr's are anonymous and can work their magic in the night. Sure lynching is town's most powerful thing, but if we lynch with no real intel we are lynching blindly. To lynch blindly makes it easy for mafia to control votes, to let mafia control votes makes it more likely we lose 2 or more town powers by tomorrow than if we stay silent, leave mafia in the dark, and go into the night.
I dare you, tell me I'm wrong about our chances. If we don't use the valuable extra day of information now we wont regret it later on when we gotta be constantly on edge.
vodean wrote:jak111 wrote:I dare you, tell me I'm wrong about our chances. If we don't use the valuable extra day of information now we wont regret it later on when we gotta be constantly on edge.
jak has just outed himself. he claims that he is not a human. this means that we can safely pressure himself. i think (and correct me if i am wrong) that the angels are some sort of masonic group, where they can communicate at night, or can at least know who the others are. this means that we can safely pressure jak. if he is an angel, his role is probably important enough that the other angels will find some way to save him. if not, then he will be totally exposed as scum, and we will be able to kill him with no qualms. vote jak.
vodean wrote:jak111 wrote:I'm feeling fine Pancake, but unless someone got information, it's best to leave the mafia in the dark and collect more and more info that we can use against them. Will someone die tonight? Most likely. Will we lose a power role by tomorrow, most definitely. However, we do not need to paint targets for mafia across the map, no, we need to keep them in the dark for now as much as we are and allow those with investigative roles get more information on what's going on.
With a game this size there COULD be up to 8 mafia, that's terrible to just start letting them get in without anyone with actions being able to counter their claims as to what they do.
To be honest, with a game this size and the number of it, I think angels are town, demons are mafia, and the humans are 3rd party. Though unless someone feels like giving us an example/claim I doubt I can really prove humans being in this game.
Have I lost my head? Maybe, but after playing over at Epic Mafia for what seems a longish time lately I have come to the realization that there are other ways to go about doing this. Taking advantage of a night with no kills is one of those advantages. To not take control of that advantage and gather more invaluable intel for the long days to come would be a waste. In fact, it'd be like the town wanted to lose.
We lynch/pressure today we most likely kill/out a town power role, we no lynch today and go into the night all the town pr's are anonymous and can work their magic in the night. Sure lynching is town's most powerful thing, but if we lynch with no real intel we are lynching blindly. To lynch blindly makes it easy for mafia to control votes, to let mafia control votes makes it more likely we lose 2 or more town powers by tomorrow than if we stay silent, leave mafia in the dark, and go into the night.
I dare you, tell me I'm wrong about our chances. If we don't use the valuable extra day of information now we wont regret it later on when we gotta be constantly on edge.
jak has just outed himself. he claims that he is not a human. this means that we can safely pressure himself. i think (and correct me if i am wrong) that the angels are some sort of masonic group, where they can communicate at night, or can at least know who the others are. this means that we can safely pressure jak. if he is an angel, his role is probably important enough that the other angels will find some way to save him. if not, then he will be totally exposed as scum, and we will be able to kill him with no qualms. vote jak.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
Mr. Squirrel wrote:I may or may not have information to share from last night. First though, Vio can you tell me what faction you're a part of (Angels, demons, etc.)?
jonty125 wrote:vote vodean Why would the entire town faction be masoned?
Also FOS jak, I still don't see why we should NL.
jak111 wrote:jonty125 wrote:vote vodean Why would the entire town faction be masoned?
Also FOS jak, I still don't see why we should NL.
Two words: Reaction Test
jak111 wrote:jonty125 wrote:vote vodean Why would the entire town faction be masoned?
Also FOS jak, I still don't see why we should NL.
Two words: Reaction Test
I get why town would not want a no lynch, but the people who react the strongest when they know they have 1/3 or 1/4 of the control of a lynch is mafia.
But what interests me at this point is Vodean's slip, I'm not sure who he thinks the town is here, but I'm pretty sure there's more angels than demons and humans. As far as I figured out with my wc is that Angels are town, humans are third party, and demons are the threat (the mafia).
Though I think I have some information from last night as to who is what... Victor, make a vote, Iiliad, use both your votes, you'll both retract them once they are tested but for now I want to see who is missing their vote. Iiliad said he is, but Victor is the one who should be missing his, so I want to see if there's someone lying or if there's another person who can affect votes.
Unvote if my vote was still on NL, as for the moment while I'm personally waiting to see that and anyone else's information, I think we need a claim from Vodean going on, for him not being an angel makes him 3rd party or mafia. So Vote Vodean until there's a full claim there about that little story.
So it began. The old gods were no more, but there were others to take up the fight. The souls of the world were the stakes, so it was fitting that Man and Woman would try to hold the line against the power of Satan. There were yet Angels, and if there were Angels there were Demons. Champions would fight from either side in a mighty struggle, the largest conflict this troubled world had ever know.
Iliad wrote:The upside of calling everyone scum and making 1000 predictions is that statistically you should get a few right.
Iliad wrote:WTF? I know jak is wrong and all that, but the fact that 5 people have already jumped down his throat instantly is kinda telling isn't it? No jak, no lynch is not a good way to go, town needs to use day, creat discussion and force pressure. If we don't we won't have anything to go on in a few days time. Town doesn't win with night actions, it wins with discussion during the day.
But the fact that everyone chose to just vote jak instead of trying to explain that, seems to me like going for the very easy case instead of looking at some last day's cases. FOS latecomers to the developing wagon.
gregwolf121 wrote:well i agree that we shouldn't rush a no lynch, but i also think its a bad idea to vote jak at this point, cause his wagon growing to big to fast, but what we need to look into are cases, true jak needs to explain a bit more, but i don't recall there being any other major leads yesterday, i should go back and check though.
Mr. Squirrel wrote:I may or may not have information to share from last night. First though, Vio can you tell me what faction you're a part of (Angels, demons, etc.)?
VioIet wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:I may or may not have information to share from last night. First though, Vio can you tell me what faction you're a part of (Angels, demons, etc.)?
Saint, though I'm not sure why you need to know this. Also, do you really expect that I would've said Demons?
pmchugh wrote:If I wasn't lazy, I would sig that
Mr. Squirrel wrote:VioIet wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:I may or may not have information to share from last night. First though, Vio can you tell me what faction you're a part of (Angels, demons, etc.)?
Saint, though I'm not sure why you need to know this. Also, do you really expect that I would've said Demons?
Hm. Without some more information on the game's setup, its hard for me to evaluate your claim. I have a night action that (among other things) can tell me whether or not I visited an angel at night. I know that you aren't an angel, but what I don't know is if 'saints' are the human faction or if they are grouped among the angels. If the latter is true, then you would be lying (and most likely scum).
It would seem weird to me if they were considered humans (since most of the time people pray to them as envoys on their behalf to god) but I don't know what edocsil did here. If anyone can clarify this for me, I would appreciate it.
jonty125 wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:VioIet wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:I may or may not have information to share from last night. First though, Vio can you tell me what faction you're a part of (Angels, demons, etc.)?
Saint, though I'm not sure why you need to know this. Also, do you really expect that I would've said Demons?
Hm. Without some more information on the game's setup, its hard for me to evaluate your claim. I have a night action that (among other things) can tell me whether or not I visited an angel at night. I know that you aren't an angel, but what I don't know is if 'saints' are the human faction or if they are grouped among the angels. If the latter is true, then you would be lying (and most likely scum).
It would seem weird to me if they were considered humans (since most of the time people pray to them as envoys on their behalf to god) but I don't know what edocsil did here. If anyone can clarify this for me, I would appreciate it.
So, you're an investigative? Who are you?
Mr. Squirrel wrote:Hm. Without some more information on the game's setup, its hard for me to evaluate your claim. I have a night action that (among other things) can tell me whether or not I visited an angel at night. I know that you aren't an angel, but what I don't know is if 'saints' are the human faction or if they are grouped among the angels. If the latter is true, then you would be lying (and most likely scum).
It would seem weird to me if they were considered humans (since most of the time people pray to them as envoys on their behalf to god) but I don't know what edocsil did here. If anyone can clarify this for me, I would appreciate it.
VioIet wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:Hm. Without some more information on the game's setup, its hard for me to evaluate your claim. I have a night action that (among other things) can tell me whether or not I visited an angel at night. I know that you aren't an angel, but what I don't know is if 'saints' are the human faction or if they are grouped among the angels. If the latter is true, then you would be lying (and most likely scum).
It would seem weird to me if they were considered humans (since most of the time people pray to them as envoys on their behalf to god) but I don't know what edocsil did here. If anyone can clarify this for me, I would appreciate it.
It is to my understanding that Saints can be classified as humans in this game. My character is still alive- meaning I'm not the type of Saint who has already died, and people are praying to him/her.
pmchugh wrote:If I wasn't lazy, I would sig that
VioIet wrote:Mr. Squirrel wrote:Hm. Without some more information on the game's setup, its hard for me to evaluate your claim. I have a night action that (among other things) can tell me whether or not I visited an angel at night. I know that you aren't an angel, but what I don't know is if 'saints' are the human faction or if they are grouped among the angels. If the latter is true, then you would be lying (and most likely scum).
It would seem weird to me if they were considered humans (since most of the time people pray to them as envoys on their behalf to god) but I don't know what edocsil did here. If anyone can clarify this for me, I would appreciate it.
It is to my understanding that Saints can be classified as humans in this game. My character is still alive- meaning I'm not the type of Saint who has already died, and people are praying to him/her.
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