Logic dictates that there is a God!

by **heavycola** on Fri Jun 30, 2006 2:57 am

nice cartoon.

i realise i have to let this die, but it's like a red rag to a bull(shitter). My apologies.

by **jay_a2j** on Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:31 am

heavycola wrote:What about the millions of jews living in the US, Europe, Russia... they weren't 'gathered'. How do they fit in?

Nostradamus 'predicted' Hitler, Mussolini, 9/11. You say revelation predicts a nuclear apocalypse, china invading israel - but nowhere in the bible does it mention nuclear bombs or china, for that matter. It is all a lot of subjective arsetalk.

My God, This requires studing Revelation! Everything talked about in Revelation centers around Isreal. Thus, The army of the North (looking at map, nation north of Isreal)... Russia The army of the East with an army of 200 million troops (looking at map again) ..... China As China is the only nation (East of Isreal) that can put together an army that size.

If does not say "nuclear bombs" but you can derive that from things like "intense heat", "fire", "the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light" (what happens AFTER a nuclear explosion. The fallout goes up into the atmosphere blocking out sun/moon until it falls back to earth)

Now you can sit there and deny all this...it doesn't effect me...I know whats comming. If you want to believe man will someday live in peace and never use nuclear warheads.... that is your dilusion. Peace will not come until God sets up his kingdom on earth.

by **morph** on Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:06 pm

heavycola wrote:What about the millions of jews living in the US, Europe, Russia... they weren't 'gathered'. How do they fit in?

Nostradamus 'predicted' Hitler, Mussolini, 9/11. You say revelation predicts a nuclear apocalypse, china invading israel - but nowhere in the bible does it mention nuclear bombs or china, for that matter. It is all a lot of subjective arsetalk.

umm >.> sorry to actually do this, he never mentions hitler, he mentions a name like hitler but its not hitler... i mean im always up to try and go for a round or two with god lovers but i am also favor of truth (bible by opinion is truth and same with science) but as for old nos, um his books are there, and he metions himler? not sure on spelling but it sounds like that... so ya..

wee let this thread die!!

by **vtmarik** on Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:16 pm

jay_a2j wrote:My God, This requires studing Revelation! Everything talked about in Revelation centers around Isreal. Thus, The army of the North (looking at map, nation north of Isreal)... Russia The army of the East with an army of 200 million troops (looking at map again) ..... China As China is the only nation (East of Isreal) that can put together an army that size.

Well, since Revelation is a book based around the fall of the Roman Empire (as is such one massive metaphor for it) you can easily apply it to other situations. For example, I can use "Wheels on the Bus" to predict the Great Train Robbery, Napoleon's battles and eventual defeat, and the break-in at the Watergate Hotel.

If does not say "nuclear bombs" but you can derive that from things like "intense heat", "fire", "the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light" (what happens AFTER a nuclear explosion. The fallout goes up into the atmosphere blocking out sun/moon until it falls back to earth)

That happens after every explosion! It could also mean a massive volcanic explosion (like the one that scientists say could spring out from below Yellowstone).

Now you can sit there and deny all this...it doesn't effect me...I know whats comming. If you want to believe man will someday live in peace and never use nuclear warheads.... that is your dilusion. Peace will not come until God sets up his kingdom on earth.

Now nukes aren't the only thing that could kill us all. The magnetic field could flip and destroy all of our communications satellites thus putting us into a new dark age until we can fix the problem. Just watch as society dissolves because we don't get the Biography channel anymore! The "sky going dark" would be the communications infrastructure going silent, and the "intense heat" would be the bonfires in the riots.

Another possible doomsday is the idea of "human-caused" global warming. Now, while I know that global warming is a problem, I also know that it is a cyclical thing. We've had massive oceans before, fossils prove it. We've also had an ice age before. The ice caps are evidence of this. That would also be "intense heat" and "the sky darkening" because this event would cause massive storms across the globe.

Another idea of intense heat and the sky darkening would be if one of those monster asteroids smashes into us. The "intense heat" of the atmosphere being unable to destroy the falling rock and the "sky darkening" would be the hundreds of thousands of tons of earth being cast into the sky, freezing us all to death.

So instead of focusing on death, like the idea of "eternal life through Jesus", shouldn't we focus on life, the stuff we do before we meet Jesus?

by **Bozo** on Fri Jun 30, 2006 8:41 pm

Couldn't Agree More ( Im afraid that I dont have anything else to contribute to this discussion, sorry

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by **jay_a2j** on Fri Jun 30, 2006 11:31 pm

vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:My God, This requires studing Revelation! Everything talked about in Revelation centers around Isreal. Thus, The army of the North (looking at map, nation north of Isreal)... Russia The army of the East with an army of 200 million troops (looking at map again) ..... China As China is the only nation (East of Isreal) that can put together an army that size.

Well, since Revelation is a book based around the fall of the Roman Empire (as is such one massive metaphor for it) you can easily apply it to other situations. For example, I can use "Wheels on the Bus" to predict the Great Train Robbery, Napoleon's battles and eventual defeat, and the break-in at the Watergate Hotel.

If does not say "nuclear bombs" but you can derive that from things like "intense heat", "fire", "the sun will be darkened and the moon will not give its light" (what happens AFTER a nuclear explosion. The fallout goes up into the atmosphere blocking out sun/moon until it falls back to earth)

That happens after every explosion! It could also mean a massive volcanic explosion (like the one that scientists say could spring out from below Yellowstone).

Now you can sit there and deny all this...it doesn't effect me...I know whats comming. If you want to believe man will someday live in peace and never use nuclear warheads.... that is your dilusion. Peace will not come until God sets up his kingdom on earth.

Now nukes aren't the only thing that could kill us all. The magnetic field could flip and destroy all of our communications satellites thus putting us into a new dark age until we can fix the problem. Just watch as society dissolves because we don't get the Biography channel anymore! The "sky going dark" would be the communications infrastructure going silent, and the "intense heat" would be the bonfires in the riots.

Another possible doomsday is the idea of "human-caused" global warming. Now, while I know that global warming is a problem, I also know that it is a cyclical thing. We've had massive oceans before, fossils prove it. We've also had an ice age before. The ice caps are evidence of this. That would also be "intense heat" and "the sky darkening" because this event would cause massive storms across the globe.

Another idea of intense heat and the sky darkening would be if one of those monster asteroids smashes into us. The "intense heat" of the atmosphere being unable to destroy the falling rock and the "sky darkening" would be the hundreds of thousands of tons of earth being cast into the sky, freezing us all to death.

So instead of focusing on death, like the idea of "eternal life through Jesus", shouldn't we focus on life, the stuff we do before we meet Jesus?

Revelation is not based on the "fall of the Roman Empire". It is about the final days leading up to Armageddon. The Revived Roman Empire is mentioned (aka the EU).

Every explosion eh? Hmmmm why was it not dark after the Oklahoma Federal building bombing? Or 9/11. Pearl Harbor? Have you ever seen the made for tv movie The Day After? It came out in the 80's. After a nuclear explosion the fallout lasts for days. Small explosions and volcanoes do not blacken the sky....globally much less locally.

The army of the East will kill 1/3 of all mankind. 1/3 of all creatures in the sea will die. Logic dictates they will use nuclear warheads to achive this. :wink:

But you can go ahead and wait for the meteor or the flipping of the magnetic field. Hopefully you'll come out of denial when the air raid sirens go off.

by **Finsdale** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:33 am

Comparing Israel to the surrounding countries by population

Israel - 6,029,529

Egypt - 70,712,345
Lebanon - 3,677,780
Jordan - 5,307,470
Syria - 17,155,814
Iraq - 24,001,816
Iran - 66,622,704
Saudi Arabia - 23,513,330
Yemen - 18,701,257
Oman - 2,713,462
United Arab Emirates - 2,445,989
Sudan - 37,090,298

Isn't it intersting that such a small country can stand against so many others whose self proclaimed goal is their complete destruction?

by **sportsdd2** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:34 am

i believe in God

by **vtmarik** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:43 am

jay_a2j wrote:Revelation is not based on the "fall of the Roman Empire". It is about the final days leading up to Armageddon. The Revived Roman Empire is mentioned (aka the EU).

Yes it is. Biblical scholars agree on this. 666 (616 with the latin translation) is the hebrew numerology for Emperor Nero! It's an apocalyptic vision given to John from God. It's full of symbolism and nuance, but it isn't a predictive book. It is a parable. It was John's way of saying "Hey, check out what God showed me, this whole Roman persecution thing ain't gonna last. Hang in there!"

Every explosion eh? Hmmmm why was it not dark after the Oklahoma Federal building bombing? Or 9/11. Pearl Harbor? Have you ever seen the made for tv movie The Day After? It came out in the 80's. After a nuclear explosion the fallout lasts for days. Small explosions and volcanoes do not blacken the sky....globally much less locally.

Ok, so "every" explosion doesn't darken the sky.

Were you watching the same footage of 9/11 I was watching? When the dust cloud covered the street and the sky could not be seen by the news cameras? *thwap*

And volcanoes do blacken the sky. They spew tons of ash and dust into the air, blotting out the sun for hours or even days. Just ask the people who lived under the ash cloud after the Mt. St. Helens eruption. If multiple volcanoes were to erupt, it would send enough dust into the atmosphere to cover the earth in a grey shroud.

The army of the East will kill 1/3 of all mankind. 1/3 of all creatures in the sea will die. Logic dictates they will use nuclear warheads to achive this. But you can go ahead and wait for the meteor or the flipping of the magnetic field. Hopefully you'll come out of denial when the air raid sirens go off.

Why would they use nuclear warheads? Are you familiar with the concept of mutually assured destruction? It's what kept this country on a razor's edge for so long. If the 'army of the East' fires off nukes, everyone else will fire off nukes. This won't kill 1/3 of mankind, it will kill ALL of mankind. Those that aren't evaporated in the explosions will die from the fallout. Radiation kills, always. The Day After is a movie. If that event truly happened, the odds are that everyone would be real dead.

by **Jolly Roger** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 6:43 am

jay_a2j wrote:Hopefully you'll come out of denial when the air raid sirens go off.

Hey jay - just to be safe, maybe you should go hide in a bomb shelter right now. i'll come down and let you know when it's safe to come out.

you sure love that phrase "logic dictates" - you're not fooling anyone you know

by **jay_a2j** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:13 am

Finsdale wrote:Comparing Israel to the surrounding countries by population

Israel - 6,029,529

Egypt - 70,712,345
Lebanon - 3,677,780
Jordan - 5,307,470
Syria - 17,155,814
Iraq - 24,001,816
Iran - 66,622,704
Saudi Arabia - 23,513,330
Yemen - 18,701,257
Oman - 2,713,462
United Arab Emirates - 2,445,989
Sudan - 37,090,298

Isn't it intersting that such a small country can stand against so many others whose self proclaimed goal is their complete destruction?

God promised (in scripture) that after the Jews gather back to their land (happened in 1948) that they would NEVER again be driven from their land. Remember that 2 day war when Egypt tried to destroy Isreal? Egypt had a far supierior army at the time yet failed. God is protecting Isreal. :wink:

btw... they will all (see above list) try again.

by **jay_a2j** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:29 am

vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Revelation is not based on the "fall of the Roman Empire". It is about the final days leading up to Armageddon. The Revived Roman Empire is mentioned (aka the EU).

Yes it is. Biblical scholars agree on this. 666 (616 with the latin translation) is the hebrew numerology for Emperor Nero! It's an apocalyptic vision given to John from God. It's full of symbolism and nuance, but it isn't a predictive book. It is a parable. It was John's way of saying "Hey, check out what God showed me, this whole Roman persecution thing ain't gonna last. Hang in there!"

Every explosion eh? Hmmmm why was it not dark after the Oklahoma Federal building bombing? Or 9/11. Pearl Harbor? Have you ever seen the made for tv movie The Day After? It came out in the 80's. After a nuclear explosion the fallout lasts for days. Small explosions and volcanoes do not blacken the sky....globally much less locally.

Ok, so "every" explosion doesn't darken the sky.

Were you watching the same footage of 9/11 I was watching? When the dust cloud covered the street and the sky could not be seen by the news cameras? *thwap*

And volcanoes do blacken the sky. They spew tons of ash and dust into the air, blotting out the sun for hours or even days. Just ask the people who lived under the ash cloud after the Mt. St. Helens eruption. If multiple volcanoes were to erupt, it would send enough dust into the atmosphere to cover the earth in a grey shroud.

The army of the East will kill 1/3 of all mankind. 1/3 of all creatures in the sea will die. Logic dictates they will use nuclear warheads to achive this. But you can go ahead and wait for the meteor or the flipping of the magnetic field. Hopefully you'll come out of denial when the air raid sirens go off.

Why would they use nuclear warheads? Are you familiar with the concept of mutually assured destruction? It's what kept this country on a razor's edge for so long. If the 'army of the East' fires off nukes, everyone else will fire off nukes. This won't kill 1/3 of mankind, it will kill ALL of mankind. Those that aren't evaporated in the explosions will die from the fallout. Radiation kills, always. The Day After is a movie. If that event truly happened, the odds are that everyone would be real dead.

Revelation is not a parable but go ahead and think it is. It is not about Nero but go ahead and think it is. At the end of Revelation the Lord comes down from heaven, the armies of the world will aim their weapons at Him and they will be destroyed. (Second Comming) Rent the movie Migetto... Omega Code II, it dipicts the end times events although some of it is pure speculation (I don't think the president of the US will be the brother of the anti-christ). But the battle of Armageddon is depicted.

by **Pilate** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:12 am

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Revelation is not based on the "fall of the Roman Empire". It is about the final days leading up to Armageddon. The Revived Roman Empire is mentioned (aka the EU).

Yes it is. Biblical scholars agree on this. 666 (616 with the latin translation) is the hebrew numerology for Emperor Nero! It's an apocalyptic vision given to John from God. It's full of symbolism and nuance, but it isn't a predictive book. It is a parable. It was John's way of saying "Hey, check out what God showed me, this whole Roman persecution thing ain't gonna last. Hang in there!"

Every explosion eh? Hmmmm why was it not dark after the Oklahoma Federal building bombing? Or 9/11. Pearl Harbor? Have you ever seen the made for tv movie The Day After? It came out in the 80's. After a nuclear explosion the fallout lasts for days. Small explosions and volcanoes do not blacken the sky....globally much less locally.

Ok, so "every" explosion doesn't darken the sky.

Were you watching the same footage of 9/11 I was watching? When the dust cloud covered the street and the sky could not be seen by the news cameras? *thwap*

And volcanoes do blacken the sky. They spew tons of ash and dust into the air, blotting out the sun for hours or even days. Just ask the people who lived under the ash cloud after the Mt. St. Helens eruption. If multiple volcanoes were to erupt, it would send enough dust into the atmosphere to cover the earth in a grey shroud.

The army of the East will kill 1/3 of all mankind. 1/3 of all creatures in the sea will die. Logic dictates they will use nuclear warheads to achive this. But you can go ahead and wait for the meteor or the flipping of the magnetic field. Hopefully you'll come out of denial when the air raid sirens go off.

Why would they use nuclear warheads? Are you familiar with the concept of mutually assured destruction? It's what kept this country on a razor's edge for so long. If the 'army of the East' fires off nukes, everyone else will fire off nukes. This won't kill 1/3 of mankind, it will kill ALL of mankind. Those that aren't evaporated in the explosions will die from the fallout. Radiation kills, always. The Day After is a movie. If that event truly happened, the odds are that everyone would be real dead.

Revelation is not a parable but go ahead and think it is. It is not about Nero but go ahead and think it is. At the end of Revelation the Lord comes down from heaven, the armies of the world will aim their weapons at Him and they will be destroyed. (Second Comming) Rent the movie Migetto... Omega Code II, it dipicts the end times events although some of it is pure speculation (I don't think the president of the US will be the brother of the anti-christ). But the battle of Armageddon is depicted.

lololo, go again and believe that there are WMD in Iraq

by **jay_a2j** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 10:54 am

Pilate wrote:
lololo, go again and believe that there are WMD in Iraq

Do you watch the news? They just found 500 wmd's in iraq. :wink:

by **Pilate** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:25 am

jay_a2j wrote:
Pilate wrote:
lololo, go again and believe that there are WMD in Iraq

Do you watch the news? They just found 500 wmd's in iraq.

That's right. Iraq's a big country.

by **DRoZ** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:41 am

Ok I will try to give my point of view on all these "contradictions" that heavycola has brought up, from what I read it seems as though you are mentioning 2 ... one being the seeming different attitude of God in the old and new testament, and the other being the different views on what happened to Christ at his death.
On the differences of the NT and OT God, I dont really see any, you can bring up passages such as Joshua 6:17 or Judges 20:43-48, but in those passages he is addressing a nation in his commands, not in the turn the other cheek style that Jesus used which was refering to people on a personal level ... how we should treat each other. Also, if in the old testament God was always so merciless, then what about Genesis 15:16, where he gave the nations of canaan more time to repent of their sins.
Throughout the Bible God is portrayed as a just and loving God, how would he show his love to the victims of the sinners if they were not punished? The God of the new testament is the same, look at revelation ... that seems pretty warlike to me.
Now for the three passages you refered to I'm not sure how you think that is a contradiction all of those passages are the same just in different words, now it is true that in john he states that Jesus speaks more but he was closer to the cross than the others (John 19:25) so those words could have been too low for the others to hear. Also john doesn't actually say he cried out but he did say he "gave up his spirit" which reasonably could include the crying out statement of "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit".

by **Pilate** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 11:47 am

DRoZ wrote:Ok I will try to give my point of view on all these "contradictions" that heavycola has brought up, from what I read it seems as though you are mentioning 2 ... one being the seeming different attitude of God in the old and new testament, and the other being the different views on what happened to Christ at his death.
On the differences of the NT and OT God, I dont really see any, you can bring up passages such as Joshua 6:17 or Judges 20:43-48, but in those passages he is addressing a nation in his commands, not in the turn the other cheek style that Jesus used which was refering to people on a personal level ... how we should treat each other. Also, if in the old testament God was always so merciless, then what about Genesis 15:16, where he gave the nations of canaan more time to repent of their sins.
Throughout the Bible God is portrayed as a just and loving God, how would he show his love to the victims of the sinners if they were not punished? The God of the new testament is the same, look at revelation ... that seems pretty warlike to me.
Now for the three passages you refered to I'm not sure how you think that is a contradiction all of those passages are the same just in different words, now it is true that in john he states that Jesus speaks more but he was closer to the cross than the others (John 19:25) so those words could have been too low for the others to hear. Also john doesn't actually say he cried out but he did say he "gave up his spirit" which reasonably could include the crying out statement of "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit".

It depends on what perspective and biases you bring to the table.

From a purely theological, faith based viewpoint, there is no contradiction.

From a purely academic, critical viewpoint, the contradiction can be explained because the books were written for different circumstances.

by **vtmarik** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:22 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Revelation is not a parable but go ahead and think it is. It is not about Nero but go ahead and think it is. At the end of Revelation the Lord comes down from heaven, the armies of the world will aim their weapons at Him and they will be destroyed. (Second Comming) Rent the movie Migetto... Omega Code II, it dipicts the end times events although some of it is pure speculation (I don't think the president of the US will be the brother of the anti-christ). But the battle of Armageddon is depicted.

Omega Code II is fiction just like the first Omega Code which says that there's a secret code hidden in the bible (which we all know to be bunk).

I'm gonna throw some links at ya, read them or don't. But if you choose not to read them, you don't have the right to debate revelation anymore. If you aren't willing to fact check something that you know to be true, then you're obviously unwilling to utilize logic.

http://www.reformed.org/eschaton/beast.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/666a.html
http://planetpreterist.com/news-1414.html

No work written my man is infallible. One problem with inspiration is that you have no say in the editorial process. To understand this you must admit that there is a possibility that you could be wrong. If you cannot say that and believe it, then why did you start this thread in the first place?

by **DRoZ** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:25 pm

well then please give me the exact contradiction, and reasons why it is a contradiction from a purely academic, critical viewpoint, and what circumstances are you refering to.

At what point were any of my statements faith-based? At no point have I ever tried to answer a question by stating anything about a blind faith.

by **vtmarik** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:31 pm

Pilate wrote:It depends on what perspective and biases you bring to the table.

From a purely theological, faith based viewpoint, there is no contradiction.

From a purely academic, critical viewpoint, the contradiction can be explained because the books were written for different circumstances.

Said Father Pot to Brother Kettle.

by **DRoZ** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:45 pm

Oh and vtmarik, I've read that there seems to be a lot of theologians believing that john did not write revelations, but rather someone just trying to use his name I dont know if that theory holds any water but apparently it was somewhat of a custom back then to use an apostles name to try to get their point across in christian writings, I am not saying that is the case but I was curious if you had ever read anything pertaining to that.

by **Pilate** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 12:55 pm

DRoZ wrote:well then please give me the exact contradiction, and reasons why it is a contradiction from a purely academic, critical viewpoint, and what circumstances are you refering to.

At what point were any of my statements faith-based? At no point have I ever tried to answer a question by stating anything about a blind faith.

whoa, no need to get so defensive. I didn't say blind faith, but I think your perspective is faith based.

For instance, a faith based perspective assumes that jesus is the son of god, he died and was resurrected and all that jazz.

A purely academic and critical perspective would not go that far. It would say that jesus was a real life person and that he was a figure of some influence. It might argue that the various canonical books about him were an attempt to "explain" why he died.

This ties in to your question to vtmarik about books written in the name of apostles. It's called pseudopigraphy. It was very common at the time. Books were written in the name of plato, aristotle etc. Historians believe that the gospels, revelation, non-canonical gospels were written in the name of the apostles.

by **reverend_kyle** on Sat Jul 01, 2006 2:50 pm

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Revelation is not based on the "fall of the Roman Empire". It is about the final days leading up to Armageddon. The Revived Roman Empire is mentioned (aka the EU).

Yes it is. Biblical scholars agree on this. 666 (616 with the latin translation) is the hebrew numerology for Emperor Nero! It's an apocalyptic vision given to John from God. It's full of symbolism and nuance, but it isn't a predictive book. It is a parable. It was John's way of saying "Hey, check out what God showed me, this whole Roman persecution thing ain't gonna last. Hang in there!"

Every explosion eh? Hmmmm why was it not dark after the Oklahoma Federal building bombing? Or 9/11. Pearl Harbor? Have you ever seen the made for tv movie The Day After? It came out in the 80's. After a nuclear explosion the fallout lasts for days. Small explosions and volcanoes do not blacken the sky....globally much less locally.

Ok, so "every" explosion doesn't darken the sky.

Were you watching the same footage of 9/11 I was watching? When the dust cloud covered the street and the sky could not be seen by the news cameras? *thwap*

And volcanoes do blacken the sky. They spew tons of ash and dust into the air, blotting out the sun for hours or even days. Just ask the people who lived under the ash cloud after the Mt. St. Helens eruption. If multiple volcanoes were to erupt, it would send enough dust into the atmosphere to cover the earth in a grey shroud.

The army of the East will kill 1/3 of all mankind. 1/3 of all creatures in the sea will die. Logic dictates they will use nuclear warheads to achive this. But you can go ahead and wait for the meteor or the flipping of the magnetic field. Hopefully you'll come out of denial when the air raid sirens go off.

Why would they use nuclear warheads? Are you familiar with the concept of mutually assured destruction? It's what kept this country on a razor's edge for so long. If the 'army of the East' fires off nukes, everyone else will fire off nukes. This won't kill 1/3 of mankind, it will kill ALL of mankind. Those that aren't evaporated in the explosions will die from the fallout. Radiation kills, always. The Day After is a movie. If that event truly happened, the odds are that everyone would be real dead.

Revelation is not a parable but go ahead and think it is. It is not about Nero but go ahead and think it is. At the end of Revelation the Lord comes down from heaven, the armies of the world will aim their weapons at Him and they will be destroyed. (Second Comming) Rent the movie Migetto... Omega Code II, it dipicts the end times events although some of it is pure speculation (I don't think the president of the US will be the brother of the anti-christ). But the battle of Armageddon is depicted.