Ron Paul: Anti-American and Enemy to the United States

[CreepersWiener]

This guy ENDORSES secession in America! He's a shite-stirrer! Ron Paul...you are out of office now...STFU!!!!!!!

[warmonger1981]

Even if a state succeeds from the union would that state then be declared " enemy of the state" or known as " hostile" ? Wouldn't the army then be able to go in and completely wild them out. Don't know if any state has a big enough army to fight the US army

[jay_a2j]

Don't know if any state has a big enough army to fight the US army

That's what some said of the British.

[Nola_Lifer]

Nice bait...

[CreepersWiener]

Don't know if any state has a big enough army to fight the US army

That's what some said of the British.

You do understand that anyone that decides to "rise" up against the Federal Government will be totally wiped out, don't you? Using guns and knives is like using sticks and stones...utterly useless!

The powers that be have weapons to make your skin cringe...LITERALLY!

The military (though it hasn't boasted or used knowingly in the theater of warfare) has energy weapons that make bullets look like powder puffs! Your eyes will melt from their sockets if you decide to follow extremist leaders like Paul and Perry!

[_sabotage_]

Civil disobedience. The way to stop war is not to wage one. So stop waging it. We don't need to fight, we need solidarity and the knowledge that we have lost our country to special interest. Being born in America, I left to Canada. I lost all faith in the government. I'm returning to stand side by side for my birthright: freedom of speech, solid money and American production. We need to produce, the more we let the government strip our freedoms and prevent production, the more we are dependent on their desires.

To Ron Paul: thank you for restoring my faith. To the establishment, you are a bunch of penniless, conniving fearmongers.

I'm not afraid. I'm not willing to attack my brothers and sisters, but I'm willing to devote my life to the principles which once made the light of the country a beacon to the marginalized of the world.

[Symmetry]

Civil disobedience. The way to stop war is not to wage one. So stop waging it. We don't need to fight, we need solidarity and the knowledge that we have lost our country to special interest. Being born in America, I left to Canada. I lost all faith in the government. I'm returning to stand side by side for my birthright: freedom of speech, solid money and American production. We need to produce, the more we let the government strip our freedoms and prevent production, the more we are dependent on their desires.

To Ron Paul: thank you for restoring my faith. To the establishment, you are a bunch of penniless, conniving fearmongers.

I'm not afraid. I'm not willing to attack my brothers and sisters, but I'm willing to devote my life to the principles which once made the light of the country a beacon to the marginalized of the world.

Yeah, Ron Paul doesn't really do that. His scthick is pretty much on the far right of the Republican establishment.

[_sabotage_]

Thank you for your opinion. I choose to decide based on fact. How long will we hear about unintended consequences, when the same result has been repeating itself for 100 years?

[Symmetry]

Thank you for your opinion. I choose to decide based on fact. How long will we hear about unintended consequences, when the same result has been repeating itself for 100 years?

Do you mean Ron Paul? He's pretty old I guess, but I don't think he's been pulling his stunt that long.

[CreepersWiener]

You shall know them by their fruits...



And the bumper sticker created by Storm Front:

[_sabotage_]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JA2ehvB-_Ac

[Viceroy63]

I believe that Ron Paul represents the only real change that this country of ours will ever see. Unfortunately even if he had won the election or ever win the election in the future, he would be assassinated just like JFK was only differently. Period.

The only other choices is that the future presidents abandon their beliefs and do as they are told by the elite few who really run and operate this country. Just like Obama did. He came into office on the Democratic ticket and now he is acting just like a republican. Continuing and advancing all of Bush's Agenda's.

Four more years will have him impeached and the next "Bush" will be in office. No matter who wins the American People lose! May God have mercy on our souls!

[Symmetry]

I believe that Ron Paul represents the only real change that this country of ours will ever see. Unfortunately even if he had won the election or ever win the election in the future, he would be assassinated just like JFK was only differently. Period.

The only other choices is that the future presidents abandon their beliefs and do as they are told by the elite few who really run and operate this country. Just like Obama did. He came into office on the Democratic ticket and now he is acting just like a republican. Continuing and advancing all of Bush's Agenda's.

No matter who wins the American People lose!

Possibly, but then again you're a dude apparently claiming to be on the lam in Canada because the feds put you in jail for six years for possessing 250kg of heroin.

I shall remain sceptical of your judgement abilities.

[Viceroy63]

Me??? I'm claiming what?

I'd wish! That would mean that I'd have a life. LOL.

[Symmetry]

Me??? I'm claiming what?

I'd wish! That would mean that I'd have a life. LOL.

Ah, apologies, got you mixed up with Sabotage, the other non-American Paulite in this thread.

[saxitoxin]

I believe that Ron Paul represents the only real change that this country of ours will ever see. Unfortunately even if he had won the election or ever win the election in the future, he would be assassinated just like JFK was only differently. Period.

Sure. Maybe even by the same group of people who orchestrated the Kennedy assassination?

Ron Paul was not invited to attend the Republican Jewish Coalition's candidates forum because the organization - as it has stated numerous times in the past - "rejects his misguided and extremist views," said [RJC Executive Director Matt] Brooks. Paul's positions on Israel have been almost uniformly derided. Whilst claiming to be non-interventionist on the issue, he has routinely adopted Arab talking points on Israel, even comparing Gaza to 'a concentration camp.'

http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/01/repub ... rs-ron-pau

Freed Israeli nuclear spy Mordechai Vanunu said in an interview published today that Israel was behind the 1963 assassination of U.S. President John F. Kennedy. Vanunu, a former nuclear technician who was recently released from Israeli prison after serving an 18-year sentence for exposing Israel’s nuclear program at Dimona to Britain’s Sunday Times, has been barred from leaving the country, talking to the media or meeting with foreigners.

http://www.wnd.com/2004/07/25751/

[Symmetry]

Well this is interesting, a troll claiming to be an East German living in Mexico arguing with an account based in Puerto Rico about their country, the US. I almost feel safe being a Brit commenting on them both.

We're all cosmopolitan now.

[Viceroy63]

Well this is interesting, a troll claiming to be an East German living in Mexico arguing with an account based in Puerto Rico about their country, the US. I almost feel safe being a Brit commenting on them both.

We're all cosmopolitan now.

About my country:

Just so we all understand this, the USA is my country and I am a US Citizen. Puerto Rico is territory that belongs to the US even if Puerto Rican's argue that fact. While all Puerto Rican's are not US citizens, any P. Rican who lives state side for a few years automatically becomes a US citizen just by stepping off of the plane. Or boat.

[_sabotage_]

Thank you for being sceptical. I wish you would be more sceptical.

Obviously having been in prison makes me a bad person. Obviously anyone the president wants to put on the kill list is a bad person. Therefore I should be put on a kill list.

The logic is flawless. How about the perception? Who decides good and bad?

Viceroy63 forgive me for dissecting your comments.

Ron Paul represents the only real change that this country of ours will ever see.

Comment: this doesn't suggest he supports change, just states he thinks this is the only chance for it.

If he wins, he will be assassinated.

Comment: he believes that change would be violently oppressed. Was our country founded on the idea that a man felt he had no choice in the direction of his country or for himself but this is the sole prerogative of our government? If he feels that Ron Paul would be at danger, in the capacity of president and commander of our country, how much more fearful would he feel for himself trying to choice his own direction?

You can say that Obama received the most votes and therefore has a mandate from the sovereignty of the USA. But his sovereignty does not supersede mine. He has no right within the very definition of our nation to deny me freedom of choice.

But Obama received one sixth of our representatives' votes. And the other greasy guy got about the same. This tells him as a nation what we would like to do.

So we either want one guy to use our resources to deny other guys of their freedom, or we want the other guy to do it. We want to be lied to. We want people to suffer. We want to live in fear so that we can benefit a closed group of people.

The funny thing is the word change in Vic's statement. Everything Ron Paul called for was a reversion to older, sounder, fairer, proven government.

He wants to audit the Fed, Fed says auditing us will f*ck up your economy.

Among the first to oppose a private central bank were Ben Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, the writers of our constitution, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln. then 1913 here's a fed, here's income tax, JFK tried to introduce using silver as currency, which was beginning just as he died and it was immediately cancelled by LJ in Dec 1963. And we are stuck with the Fed Note. But it seems that this essential right to use our own money without interest to further the aims of freedom liberty and justice for all are antiquated according to "our" current government.

It's much better to get a group of private bankers, that lend money to the governments when they decide they should at interest. Who give interest free money to the group of 14 private banks respective banks. Of course you can make the point that they don't give money to their respective banks since we don't actually know which private banks own the Fed. Of course we don't know which governments they lend to and they refused to be audited or to disclose which governments they give money to and based on what criteria.

We are told that the Fed provided the gov with $150,000,000,000 in profits. Without an audit we can't say the share going to the private banks. Since they have no oversight at all we don't really know anything except what they tell us. The Fed recent allowed, haha a group of private bankers allowed us to do a partial audit while warning(threatening?) that a full audit would be disastrous for our economy. So we now know trillions are out of place.

But this is a bad idea because I'm a ex-con and we know what to think about those guys.

Legalize drugs... Seems you've read that already, or at least a line of it.

Stop being aggressors.

Wasn't there a guy who quit the NFL to be a FREEDOM FIGHTER in afghan? He was too good at what he did. Maybe Vic has reason to fear. 92% of rural afghans don't know about 9/11. And I don't mean they weren't involved, I mean after watching ten years of drones shooting people, they still aren't aware that it happened. What they do know is that American choppers show up and take away the opium. They take it to another place all bundled up and set it on fire. I heard that heroin was taking over as people got addicted to pharmaceuticals and couldn't afford them so had to switch to the cheaper alternative, heroin. The report was done by a major network in Ohio; the inference that cheap heroin in Ohio and our choppers collecting bundles of it in afghan are mine.

But irregardless, we should spend trillions of dollars looking for a former CIA whatever in a cave there and in other places. This money should be printed by a group of private individuals, paid to another group of private individuals for everything in this war but actual soldiers salaries, and the tax then goes straight back back to the bank to pay off these loans.

I don't know many miners who see a vein of gold and walk away from it. We know that Rockefeller made money on warring sides of WWII, and so on. We know that this was not unique. We know that the bankers likely to be private owners in the Fed had similar policies and now we see the Fed doing it. How was Ron Paul able to predict the exact outcome of the last ten years in 2002? Bc it has been happening for hundreds of years with modern refinements. It was happening at the times of our founding fathers, they knew it and planned against it, providing against it in our constitution. When Andrew Jackson was asked what he considered to be his greatest achievement he said, "I killed the bank." He was one of our presidents, btw.

But somehow we get fleeced again and again and yet we never take a look at the elephant in the room. In Eisenhower s military industrial complex speech, he had originally included banks as well but chose not to say it. Then lets look at this military industrial complex. Why did we allow dick to tell a committee to go f*ck themselves when asked about his interest in Halliburton? Why have we allowed the lies that led us into the war to go unnoticed? Unquestioned, unpunished?

Where do you think the money goes? When we pay into a war, who are we paying? The reason I gave up on politics is because we are paying the people who drag us in. I do not mean our soldiers. I have full respect for them. But that's not where the money goes. I hope they jacked the delivery of of 380 tones of unauthorized cash printed by the fed and en route to Halliburton. I hope they use that money to feed their families in the pending famine. But that's a tink in a deep vault. Trillions. Who gets the money? A small group with big lobbies who are jumping straight from their private bank and security, weapons and surveillance board positions seamlessly into their federally appointed government position.

Lets wage on says BHO, lets do it but a little more this way says Mitt. But a call to bring back our soldiers to defend our liberties is not what we want.

Do you really believe that it is worth it? Is the knowledge that other places know and are constantly being told how to be, that our citizens are being told how to be?

The worst part of all is that they have us calling this change. We never wanted a private central bank. We never wanted to be a warmongering, fearmongering, prison heavy country but we feel asleep behind the wheel. We let private interest take over. We took away our power to fund ourselves, let alone our ability to direct our economy, so that a small group of private individuals could decide who and when to fund what, and we have continually seen them fund the same groups over and over using our media to give us a non option perspective. I'm upset with my own ignorance for abandoning politics to the point that I didn't hear Ron Paul's message when, according to Vic, i would have been one more supporter towards his expected assassination.

Each action you do is against a brother and sister or for a sister or brother or just for yourself. What do our actions, our results show us about our treatment of our brothers and sisters? About our treatment of ourselves. If you think that this one brief existence i have should be dictated to me by a small group who act in their own self interest, then please call me bad. But I think its just that you are just too afraid or lazy to object yourself.

[Symmetry]

Thank you for being sceptical. I wish you would be more sceptical.

Obviously having been in prison makes me a bad person. Obviously anyone the president wants to put on the kill list is a bad person. Therefore I should be put on a kill list.

The logic is flawless. How about the perception? Who decides good and bad?

Viceroy63 forgive me for dissecting your comments.

Ron Paul represents the only real change that this country of ours will ever see.

Comment: this doesn't suggest he supports change, just states he thinks this is the only chance for it.

If he wins, he will be assassinated.

Comment: he believes that change would be violently oppressed. Was our country founded on the idea that a man felt he had no choice in the direction of his country or for himself but this is the sole prerogative of our government? If he feels that Ron Paul would be at danger, in the capacity of president and commander of our country, how much more fearful would he feel for himself trying to choice his own direction?

You can say that Obama received the most votes and therefore has a mandate from the sovereignty of the USA. But his sovereignty does not supersede mine. He has no right within the very definition of our nation to deny me freedom of choice.

But Obama received one sixth of our representatives' votes. And the other greasy guy got about the same. This tells him as a nation what we would like to do.

So we either want one guy to use our resources to deny other guys of their freedom, or we want the other guy to do it. We want to be lied to. We want people to suffer. We want to live in fear so that we can benefit a closed group of people.

The funny thing is the word change in Vic's statement. Everything Ron Paul called for was a reversion to older, sounder, fairer, proven government.

He wants to audit the Fed, Fed says auditing us will f*ck up your economy.

Among the first to oppose a private central bank were Ben Franklin, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, the writers of our constitution, Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln. then 1913 here's a fed, here's income tax, JFK tried to introduce using silver as currency, which was beginning just as he died and it was immediately cancelled by LJ in Dec 1963. And we are stuck with the Fed Note. But it seems that this essential right to use our own money without interest to further the aims of freedom liberty and justice for all are antiquated according to "our" current government.

It's much better to get a group of private bankers, that lend money to the governments when they decide they should at interest. Who give interest free money to the group of 14 private banks respective banks. Of course you can make the point that they don't give money to their respective banks since we don't actually know which private banks own the Fed. Of course we don't know which governments they lend to and they refused to be audited or to disclose which governments they give money to and based on what criteria.

We are told that the Fed provided the gov with $150,000,000,000 in profits. Without an audit we can't say the share going to the private banks. Since they have no oversight at all we don't really know anything except what they tell us. The Fed recent allowed, haha a group of private bankers allowed us to do a partial audit while warning(threatening?) that a full audit would be disastrous for our economy. So we now know trillions are out of place.

But this is a bad idea because I'm a ex-con and we know what to think about those guys.

Legalize drugs... Seems you've read that already, or at least a line of it.

Stop being aggressors.

Wasn't there a guy who quit the NFL to be a FREEDOM FIGHTER in afghan? He was too good at what he did. Maybe Vic has reason to fear. 92% of rural afghans don't know about 9/11. And I don't mean they weren't involved, I mean after watching ten years of drones shooting people, they still aren't aware that it happened. What they do know is that American choppers show up and take away the opium. They take it to another place all bundled up and set it on fire. I heard that heroin was taking over as people got addicted to pharmaceuticals and couldn't afford them so had to switch to the cheaper alternative, heroin. The report was done by a major network in Ohio; the inference that cheap heroin in Ohio and our choppers collecting bundles of it in afghan are mine.

But irregardless, we should spend trillions of dollars looking for a former CIA whatever in a cave there and in other places. This money should be printed by a group of private individuals, paid to another group of private individuals for everything in this war but actual soldiers salaries, and the tax then goes straight back back to the bank to pay off these loans.

I don't know many miners who see a vein of gold and walk away from it. We know that Rockefeller made money on warring sides of WWII, and so on. We know that this was not unique. We know that the bankers likely to be private owners in the Fed had similar policies and now we see the Fed doing it. How was Ron Paul able to predict the exact outcome of the last ten years in 2002? Bc it has been happening for hundreds of years with modern refinements. It was happening at the times of our founding fathers, they knew it and planned against it, providing against it in our constitution. When Andrew Jackson was asked what he considered to be his greatest achievement he said, "I killed the bank." He was one of our presidents, btw.

But somehow we get fleeced again and again and yet we never take a look at the elephant in the room. In Eisenhower s military industrial complex speech, he had originally included banks as well but chose not to say it. Then lets look at this military industrial complex. Why did we allow dick to tell a committee to go f*ck themselves when asked about his interest in Halliburton? Why have we allowed the lies that led us into the war to go unnoticed? Unquestioned, unpunished?

Where do you think the money goes? When we pay into a war, who are we paying? The reason I gave up on politics is because we are paying the people who drag us in. I do not mean our soldiers. I have full respect for them. But that's not where the money goes. I hope they jacked the delivery of of 380 tones of unauthorized cash printed by the fed and en route to Halliburton. I hope they use that money to feed their families in the pending famine. But that's a tink in a deep vault. Trillions. Who gets the money? A small group with big lobbies who are jumping straight from their private bank and security, weapons and surveillance board positions seamlessly into their federally appointed government position.

Lets wage on says BHO, lets do it but a little more this way says Mitt. But a call to bring back our soldiers to defend our liberties is not what we want.

Do you really believe that it is worth it? Is the knowledge that other places know and are constantly being told how to be, that our citizens are being told how to be?

The worst part of all is that they have us calling this change. We never wanted a private central bank. We never wanted to be a warmongering, fearmongering, prison heavy country but we feel asleep behind the wheel. We let private interest take over. We took away our power to fund ourselves, let alone our ability to direct our economy, so that a small group of private individuals could decide who and when to fund what, and we have continually seen them fund the same groups over and over using our media to give us a non option perspective. I'm upset with my own ignorance for not other isn't with politics to the point that I didn't hear Ron Paul's message when, according to Vic, it would have been one more supporter towards his expected assassination.

Each action you do is against a brother and sister or for a sister or brother or just for yourself. What do our actions, our results show us about our treatment of our brothers and sisters? About our treatment of ourselves. If you think that this one brief existence i have should be dictated to me by a small group who act in their own self interest, then please call me bad. But I think its just that you are just too afraid or lazy to object yourself.

Apologies once again Viceroy- the dude above is the insane Canadian/ troll.

[tzor]

Sure. Maybe even by the same group of people who orchestrated the Kennedy assassination?

Ironically, no. I believe they are all DEAD now.

The best conspiracy theory I've heard involved a group of WWII think tank experts who realized that the atom bomb meant that any real war would escalate to the point of destroying the planet and that only a perpetual pathetic war could save the world. Vietnam was a critical point in this forever war and as a result all WWII surplus that was in transit to Japan for the invasion that never happened was rerouted to Vietnam. Kennedy, who was mad as hell for being screwed in the Bay of Pigs invasion (someone gave the order for air cover to stand down allowing the pathetic Cuban air force to mow down the invaders) wanted to pull out of Vietnam and thus end the foreve war. In order to add a solid flying finger to anyone who thought they would try the same shit, he was assassinated when his opponent was in the same town. No wonder Nixon became a god damned drunk.

I am pretty sure that this cabal pretty much was dying out by the Reagan administration.

[CreepersWiener]

If Ron Paul was president, he would have ripped the country apart with his radicalism. He would have (or tried to) get rid of or cut funding towards a number of departments. I mean, how is cutting the spending on The Center For Disease Control by 25-50% gonna help the country? Isn't the CDC one of those agencies you would like functioning at optimal capacity?

Eliminating the Food and Drug Administration? The CIA? Pulling out of alliances with Europe? With Israel? Voiding our memberships with UN and NATO? What the hell is Ron Paul smokin'? Hemp from the 19th Century?

Now that HE ISN'T president (and nor will he ever become president), he is trying his best to stir shite by talking about secession and civil disobedience. Ron Paul...do yourself and your crazy supporters a favor...just shutup and fade away.

[tzor]

Well, as the old truism goes if you don't understand Ron Paul you won't understand Ron Paul.

That isn't to say that I agree with Ron Paul on many issues, but you seem to throw out these statements as though it's proof he is batshit crazy and it's only showing that you haven't actually looked into the issues.

Let's take the CDC. Now I don't know the details in the CDC budget nor the relation of federal and state in the equation. (Note Paul also believes states should be doing more since anything not mentoned as an enumerated power under the constitution should be done by the states.) But the implication that OMG we are all going to die, if the budget is cut by 24% is not intitutively obvious to the casual observer who knows how departments get bloated and off mission over time.

And by the way, I know it's a common falsehood pumped by the anti-pot forces, but hemp has so little TCP as to be practically worthless. Only the puritanical progressives argue that hemp = pot. As a result our Navy has to go abroad for the necessary ropes that they need to keep the fleet operational.

Just remember folks, while people love to joke about 19th century (oh for the love of three oranges, the Age of Enlightment was 18th century, I hate people who can't get the century right) the "modern" progressive movement is as old as Pato's Republic, More's Utopia and Hobbs' Leviathan. It is in fact older than dirt. It has been tried, again and again, and it has FAILED EVERY TIME.

That is not true for the American Experment. It kept going until the Pogressives stoped the experment.

[CreepersWiener]

I like to be open minded, but I think telling our friends to shove off is asking for trouble.

Why would you support getting rid of the CIA? A fundamental part of our military and security? I guess I don't get Ron Paul, nor will I ever get him.

The only issue I agree with is the discontinuation of the War on Drugs. It's a failed policy.

And when it comes to basing your currency off of gold...how is that going to help anything? Why not base it off of diamonds or beads? Maybe gallstones?

Your currency should be based off the amount of knowledge your nation has produced to help humanity, not off of how much gold you can plunder.

I guess pirates would really love Ron Paul.

Arrrr!

[Phatscotty]

Sure. Maybe even by the same group of people who orchestrated the Kennedy assassination?

Ironically, no. I believe they are all DEAD now.

Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney are dead?