Jewel of the Empire coordinates & xml (new xml?)

[Contrickster]

Cheers! I'll have a go at the coordinates now.

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[DiM]

Cheers! I'll have a go at the coordinates now.

Clouds: White paint. Smudge. Blur. 50% transparency.

10x i did some nice clouds. it's fun to learn something new

[Contrickster]

Here you can see the position of the coordinates on the map.

[Contrickster]

XML

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<map>
<title>Jewel of the Empire</title>
<smallwidth>408</smallwidth>
<smallheight>499</smallheight>
<largewidth>500</largewidth>
<largeheight>612</largeheight>
<filetype>jpg</filetype>
−
   <continent>
<name>Hindus</name>
<bonus>7</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Rajputana</component>
<component>Oudh</component>
<component>Jhansi</component>
<component>Marathastra</component>
<component>Vinhiya</component>
<component>Nagpur</component>
<component>Sambalpur</component>
<component>Western Ghats</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Colonialists</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Calcutta</component>
<component>Pondicherry</component>
<component>Trincomale</component>
<component>Colombo</component>
<component>Goa</component>
<component>Diu</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Mughals</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Kyber Pass</component>
<component>Lahore</component>
<component>Indus</component>
<component>Thar</component>
<component>Sind</component>
<component>Rann</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Deccan</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Eastern Ghats</component>
<component>Hyderabad</component>
<component>Mysore</component>
<component>Malabar Coast</component>
<component>Nizam</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Himalayas</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>
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   <components>
<component>Gorkha Kingdom</component>
<component>Nepal</component>
<component>Bhotan</component>
<component>Assam</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Sikhs</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
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   <components>
<component>Sikh Confederacy</component>
<component>Punjab</component>
<component>Delhi</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Bengal</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
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   <components>
<component>Ganges</component>
<component>Brahmaputra</component>
<component>Sundarbans</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <country>
<name>Rajputana</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Delhi</border>
<border>Oudh</border>
<border>Vinhiya</border>
<border>Jhansi</border>
<border>Diu</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>112</smallx>
<smally>220</smally>
<largex>139</largex>
<largey>265</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Oudh</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Delhi</border>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Jhansi</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>213</smallx>
<smally>200</smally>
<largex>261</largex>
<largey>240</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Jhansi</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Vinhiya</border>
<border>Oudh</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>160</smallx>
<smally>226</smally>
<largex>197</largex>
<largey>272</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Marathastra</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Jhansi</border>
<border>Oudh</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Sundarbans</border>
<border>Sambalpur</border>
<border>Vinhiya</border>
<border>Nagpur</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>215</smallx>
<smally>251</smally>
<largex>264</largex>
<largey>302</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Vinhiya</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Jhansi</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>96</smallx>
<smally>262</smally>
<largex>119</largex>
<largey>316</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Nagpur</name>
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   <borders>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Sambalpur</border>
<border>Western Ghats</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>159</smallx>
<smally>296</smally>
<largex>196</largex>
<largey>358</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Sambalpur</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Nagpur</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>208</smallx>
<smally>279</smally>
<largex>257</largex>
<largey>338</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Western Ghats</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Nagpur</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
<border>Mysore</border>

</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>109</smallx>
<smally>325</smally>
<largex>135</largex>
<largey>394</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Calcutta</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Assam</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Pondicherry</border>
<border>Brahmaputra</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>323</smallx>
<smally>253</smally>
<largex>397</largex>
<largey>305</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Pondicherry</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Calcutta</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
<border>Trincomale</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>190</smallx>
<smally>405</smally>
<largex>233</largex>
<largey>492</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Trincomale</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Pondicherry</border>
<border>Colombo</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>193</smallx>
<smally>474</smally>
<largex>238</largex>
<largey>577</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Colombo</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Trincomale</border>
<border>Goa</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>194</smallx>
<smally>500</smally>
<largex>239</largex>
<largey>609</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Goa</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Colombo</border>
<border>Diu</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>86</smallx>
<smally>354</smally>
<largex>106</largex>
<largey>429</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Diu</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Goa</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>54</smallx>
<smally>267</smally>
<largex>67</largex>
<largey>322</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Kyber Pass</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sikh Confederacy</border>
<border>Lahore</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>42</smallx>
<smally>81</smally>
<largex>52</largex>
<largey>95</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Lahore</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Kyber Pass</border>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Indus</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>88</smallx>
<smally>108</smally>
<largex>108</largex>
<largey>127</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Indus</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Lahore</border>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Thar</border>
<border>Sind</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>56</smallx>
<smally>148</smally>
<largex>70</largex>
<largey>177</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Thar</name>
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   <borders>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Indus</border>
<border>Sind</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>56</smallx>
<smally>197</smally>
<largex>70</largex>
<largey>236</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Sind</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Indus</border>
<border>Thar</border>
<border>Rann</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>23</smallx>
<smally>207</smally>
<largex>29</largex>
<largey>249</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Rann</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sind</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>36</smallx>
<smally>240</smally>
<largex>45</largex>
<largey>290</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Eastern Ghats</name>
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   <borders>
<border>Sundarbans</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>211</smallx>
<smally>334</smally>
<largex>260</largex>
<largey>404</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Hyderabad</name>
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   <borders>
<border>Sambalpur</border>
<border>Nagpur</border>
<border>Western Ghats</border>
<border>Mysore</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
<border>Eastern Ghats</border>
</borders>
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   <coordinates>
<smallx>152</smallx>
<smally>348</smally>
<largex>187</largex>
<largey>422</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Mysore</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Western Ghats</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
<border>Malabar Coast</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>141</smallx>
<smally>406</smally>
<largex>174</largex>
<largey>493</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Malabar Coast</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Mysore</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>132</smallx>
<smally>460</smally>
<largex>163</largex>
<largey>559</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Nizam</name>
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   <borders>
<border>Eastern Ghats</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
<border>Mysore</border>
<border>Malabar Coast</border>
<border>Pondicherry</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>154</smallx>
<smally>461</smally>
<largex>191</largex>
<largey>560</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Gorkha Kingdom</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sikh Confederacy</border>
<border>Nepal</border>
</borders>
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   <coordinates>
<smallx>210</smallx>
<smally>146</smally>
<largex>259</largex>
<largey>173</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Nepal</name>
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   <borders>
<border>Gorkha Kingdom</border>
<border>Bhotan</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>281</smallx>
<smally>174</smally>
<largex>345</largex>
<largey>209</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Bhotan</name>
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   <borders>
<border>Nepal</border>
<border>Assam</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>318</smallx>
<smally>176</smally>
<largex>391</largex>
<largey>211</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Assam</name>
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   <borders>
<border>Bhotan</border>
<border>Brahmaputra</border>
<border>Calcutta</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>366</smallx>
<smally>246</smally>
<largex>450</largex>
<largey>297</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Sikh Confederacy</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Gorkha Kingdom</border>
<border>Kyber Pass</border>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Delhi</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>145</smallx>
<smally>93</smally>
<largex>179</largex>
<largey>109</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Punjab</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sikh Confederacy</border>
<border>Lahore</border>
<border>Indus</border>
<border>Thar</border>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Delhi</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>115</smallx>
<smally>146</smally>
<largex>142</largex>
<largey>174</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Delhi</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sikh Confederacy</border>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Oudh</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>157</smallx>
<smally>150</smally>
<largex>193</largex>
<largey>179</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Ganges</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Oudh</border>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Sundarbans</border>
<border>Calcutta</border>
<border>Brahmaputra</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>281</smallx>
<smally>229</smally>
<largex>345</largex>
<largey>275</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Brahmaputra</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Assam</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Calcutta</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>368</smallx>
<smally>191</smally>
<largex>452</largex>
<largey>229</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Sundarbans</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Eastern Ghats</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Marathastra</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>275</smallx>
<smally>278</smally>
<largex>338</largex>
<largey>336</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
</map>

[onbekende]

this are my suggestions, you may implemend them right away, wait for some other people to agree or even never implemend them. I don't hold grudges, no worries.

Overall:
- I always like organisation in bonus list, yours is organised in army bonusses, why not this way?
Mughals - Sikhs - Himalayas - Bengal - Hindus - Deccan - Colonists
from top right, making a S-movement (I will organize my look thruw like this.)
- Shouldn't Bengal be 3? it has quite some territories and continents it borders to, also 3 doesn't overpower it when having Himalaya's too, I think.

Small Map:
Mughals:
Move the army shade of Thar a bit to the left, to make the army shade allighn with the army count.

Sikhs:
Good

Himalayas:
Good

Bengal:
Good

Hindus:
Move army shade of Sambalpur a bit to the up-left, making it allighn with army count.

Deccan:
Move army shade of Eastern Ghats a bit to down-left, making it allighn with army count.

Colonists:
Good

Large map:
Mughals:
Good

Sikhs:
Good

Himalayas:
Move army shade of Assam a bit to down-right, making it allighnwith the army count.

Bengal:
Good

Hindus:
Move army shade of Nagpur to the right, making it allighn with army count.
Move army shade of Sambalpur to the right, making it allighn with army count.

Deccan:
Move army shade of Nizam to the right, making it allighn with army count.

Colonists:
Good


As I said, my opinion

thanks

[Contrickster]

onbekende, thanks for your comments!

this are my suggestions, you may implemend them right away, wait for some other people to agree or even never implemend them. I don't hold grudges, no worries.

Overall:
- I always like organisation in bonus list, yours is organised in army bonusses, why not this way?
Mughals - Sikhs - Himalayas - Bengal - Hindus - Deccan - Colonists
from top right, making a S-movement (I will organize my look thruw like this.)

Organisation in order of bonus armies is functional. It tells you what the bonuses are. I've experimented with "S"-shape, "C"-shape, "/"-shape, "l"-shape and other shapes but I think the straightforward up and down look is best, as the fancy designs look bad against the picture background. I want the legend to immediately give the information the gamer needs without drawing attention to itself. Think it does that now.

- Shouldn't Bengal be 3? it has quite some territories and continents it borders to, also 3 doesn't overpower it when having Himalaya's too, I think.

Bengal is 2 because I've rated the continent bonuses with view to whole map. Bengal and Sikhs are never going to be "base" continents from where a player can stockpile and win a game. Himalayas + either Bengal or Sikhs could be a base continent on this map. Another reason this three territory should not be worth more than 2 bonus armies, on small map especially, someone might well start off lucky owning the continent. This won't be fair to other players and I want good strategy rather than luck to determine winner on this map.

Small Map:
Mughals:
Move the army shade of Thar a bit to the left, to make the army shade allighn with the army count.

Okay. Or, I may adjust the coordinates instead.

Sikhs:
Good

Himalayas:
Good

Bengal:
Good

Hindus:
Move army shade of Sambalpur a bit to the up-left, making it allighn with army count.

Okay.

Deccan:
Move army shade of Eastern Ghats a bit to down-left, making it allighn with army count.

Okay.

Colonists:
Good

Large map:
Mughals:
Good

Sikhs:
Good

Himalayas:
Move army shade of Assam a bit to down-right, making it allighnwith the army count.

Okay.

Bengal:
Good

Hindus:
Move army shade of Nagpur to the right, making it allighn with army count.
Move army shade of Sambalpur to the right, making it allighn with army count.

Deccan:
Move army shade of Nizam to the right, making it allighn with army count.

Okay.

Colonists:
Good

As I said, my opinion

thanks

Thanks for your comments, I appreciate your help. If there is any part of my explanation you don't understand, I'll try and explain further. I'll update with the shade/coordinate changes later.

[Contrickster]

Coordinates adjusted. Look better? The circles are an irregular shape due to image processing I can't control (all the circles are identical, but become different when saved), so on many with the number in centre, there's 2 pixels on one side, and one pixel on the other. Don't want the circles larger but I could do that. With a small map, it's unlikely 88 armies will ever be accrued though.

Other changes - played with background colour.... red? Probably not. Just putting it out there... Mountain edges blurred, borders blurred where they needed touching up.

Fireworks test period has ended. There's not much more I think I can do to improve it without Fireworks, and I'd really like to know if Andy thinks this map is anywhere near acceptable presentation or whether still major changes are necessary. I could download Photoshop tester but is this map loved enough that I should put limited time, emotional, mental effort into it or should I toddle off and use my energies more effectively elsewhere?

BTW I'm totally confident there is no problem with playability on this 35 territory map (for 3-5 players) but the proof of that can only be in the playing...





Second thoughts, ugh ...


Updated XML

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<map>
<title>Jewel of the Empire</title>
<smallwidth>408</smallwidth>
<smallheight>499</smallheight>
<largewidth>500</largewidth>
<largeheight>612</largeheight>
<filetype>jpg</filetype>
−
   <continent>
<name>Hindus</name>
<bonus>7</bonus>
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   <components>
<component>Rajputana</component>
<component>Oudh</component>
<component>Jhansi</component>
<component>Marathastra</component>
<component>Vinhiya</component>
<component>Nagpur</component>
<component>Sambalpur</component>
<component>Western Ghats</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Colonialists</name>
<bonus>5</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Calcutta</component>
<component>Pondicherry</component>
<component>Trincomale</component>
<component>Colombo</component>
<component>Goa</component>
<component>Diu</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Mughals</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Kyber Pass</component>
<component>Lahore</component>
<component>Indus</component>
<component>Thar</component>
<component>Sind</component>
<component>Rann</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Deccan</name>
<bonus>4</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Eastern Ghats</component>
<component>Hyderabad</component>
<component>Mysore</component>
<component>Malabar Coast</component>
<component>Nizam</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Himalayas</name>
<bonus>3</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Gorkha Kingdom</component>
<component>Nepal</component>
<component>Bhotan</component>
<component>Assam</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Sikhs</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Sikh Confederacy</component>
<component>Punjab</component>
<component>Delhi</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <continent>
<name>Bengal</name>
<bonus>2</bonus>
−
   <components>
<component>Ganges</component>
<component>Brahmaputra</component>
<component>Sundarbans</component>
</components>
</continent>
−
   <country>
<name>Rajputana</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Delhi</border>
<border>Oudh</border>
<border>Vinhiya</border>
<border>Jhansi</border>
<border>Diu</border>
</borders>
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<smallx>113</smallx>
<smally>220</smally>
<largex>139</largex>
<largey>265</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Oudh</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Delhi</border>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Jhansi</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>213</smallx>
<smally>200</smally>
<largex>261</largex>
<largey>240</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Jhansi</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Vinhiya</border>
<border>Oudh</border>
</borders>
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<smally>226</smally>
<largex>197</largex>
<largey>272</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Marathastra</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Jhansi</border>
<border>Oudh</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Sundarbans</border>
<border>Sambalpur</border>
<border>Vinhiya</border>
<border>Nagpur</border>
</borders>
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<smallx>215</smallx>
<smally>251</smally>
<largex>264</largex>
<largey>302</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Vinhiya</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Jhansi</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>96</smallx>
<smally>262</smally>
<largex>119</largex>
<largey>316</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Nagpur</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Sambalpur</border>
<border>Western Ghats</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>159</smallx>
<smally>296</smally>
<largex>195</largex>
<largey>358</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Sambalpur</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Nagpur</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>209</smallx>
<smally>279</smally>
<largex>256</largex>
<largey>338</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Western Ghats</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Nagpur</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
<border>Mysore</border>

</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>109</smallx>
<smally>325</smally>
<largex>135</largex>
<largey>394</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Calcutta</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Assam</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Pondicherry</border>
<border>Brahmaputra</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>323</smallx>
<smally>253</smally>
<largex>397</largex>
<largey>305</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Pondicherry</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Calcutta</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
<border>Trincomale</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>190</smallx>
<smally>405</smally>
<largex>233</largex>
<largey>492</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Trincomale</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Pondicherry</border>
<border>Colombo</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>193</smallx>
<smally>474</smally>
<largex>238</largex>
<largey>577</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Colombo</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Trincomale</border>
<border>Goa</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>194</smallx>
<smally>500</smally>
<largex>239</largex>
<largey>609</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Goa</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Colombo</border>
<border>Diu</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>86</smallx>
<smally>354</smally>
<largex>106</largex>
<largey>429</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Diu</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Goa</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>54</smallx>
<smally>267</smally>
<largex>67</largex>
<largey>322</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Kyber Pass</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sikh Confederacy</border>
<border>Lahore</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>42</smallx>
<smally>81</smally>
<largex>52</largex>
<largey>95</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Lahore</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Kyber Pass</border>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Indus</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>88</smallx>
<smally>108</smally>
<largex>108</largex>
<largey>127</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Indus</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Lahore</border>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Thar</border>
<border>Sind</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>56</smallx>
<smally>148</smally>
<largex>70</largex>
<largey>177</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Thar</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Indus</border>
<border>Sind</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>57</smallx>
<smally>197</smally>
<largex>70</largex>
<largey>236</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Sind</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Indus</border>
<border>Thar</border>
<border>Rann</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>23</smallx>
<smally>207</smally>
<largex>29</largex>
<largey>249</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Rann</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sind</border>
</borders>
−
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<smallx>36</smallx>
<smally>240</smally>
<largex>45</largex>
<largey>290</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Eastern Ghats</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sundarbans</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
</borders>
−
   <coordinates>
<smallx>211</smallx>
<smally>333</smally>
<largex>260</largex>
<largey>404</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Hyderabad</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Sambalpur</border>
<border>Nagpur</border>
<border>Western Ghats</border>
<border>Mysore</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
<border>Eastern Ghats</border>
</borders>
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<smally>348</smally>
<largex>187</largex>
<largey>422</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Mysore</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Western Ghats</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
<border>Malabar Coast</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
</borders>
−
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<smally>406</smally>
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<largey>493</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Malabar Coast</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Mysore</border>
<border>Nizam</border>
</borders>
−
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<smally>460</smally>
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<largey>559</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Nizam</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Eastern Ghats</border>
<border>Hyderabad</border>
<border>Mysore</border>
<border>Malabar Coast</border>
<border>Pondicherry</border>
</borders>
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<largey>560</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
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   <country>
<name>Gorkha Kingdom</name>
−
   <borders>
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<border>Nepal</border>
</borders>
−
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<smally>146</smally>
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<largey>173</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
−
   <country>
<name>Nepal</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Gorkha Kingdom</border>
<border>Bhotan</border>
</borders>
−
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</coordinates>
</country>
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   <country>
<name>Bhotan</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Nepal</border>
<border>Assam</border>
</borders>
−
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<largey>211</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
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   <country>
<name>Assam</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Bhotan</border>
<border>Brahmaputra</border>
<border>Calcutta</border>
</borders>
−
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<smally>246</smally>
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<largey>296</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
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   <country>
<name>Sikh Confederacy</name>
−
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<border>Gorkha Kingdom</border>
<border>Kyber Pass</border>
<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Delhi</border>
</borders>
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<largey>109</largey>
</coordinates>
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   <country>
<name>Punjab</name>
−
   <borders>
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<border>Lahore</border>
<border>Indus</border>
<border>Thar</border>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Delhi</border>
</borders>
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<largey>174</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
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<name>Delhi</name>
−
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<border>Punjab</border>
<border>Rajputana</border>
<border>Oudh</border>
</borders>
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</coordinates>
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<name>Ganges</name>
−
   <borders>
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<border>Marathastra</border>
<border>Sundarbans</border>
<border>Calcutta</border>
<border>Brahmaputra</border>
</borders>
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</coordinates>
</country>
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<name>Brahmaputra</name>
−
   <borders>
<border>Assam</border>
<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Calcutta</border>
</borders>
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<largey>229</largey>
</coordinates>
</country>
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   <country>
<name>Sundarbans</name>
−
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<border>Ganges</border>
<border>Marathastra</border>
</borders>
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[onbekende]

thanks for considering idea's, like I said, still your map, your choise.

Looks all nice now
Red looks weird, origional is great

[Neilhouse]

What else needs to be done to this map?

[Contrickster]

I've done a lot of minor polishing myself so, for example, there should not be stray pixels along the borders.

Andy has been very busy recently. I don't expect a response this week. I would expect one after the next maps are quenched and he has a look at candidates for final forge.

[Contrickster]

Does this map have any merit at all? Start again from scratch?

[unriggable]

My only peeve - colonialists = 5.

[Gozar]

I really like this one, don't let it die.

[DiM]

Start again from scratch?

absolutely not. this map only needs to be inspected by andy.

[edbeard]

I'd like to see 36 countries because that's divisible by 3, 4, and 6 with only 1 neutral for 5 player game. I think that's very important.

Also I still say Himalayas should have a bonus of two. I realize you have said you are trying to direct the gameplay, but I believe whoever holds this area has a supreme advantage.

It has 4 countries with 2 countries needing defending, with only 3 territories able to attack it, from 3 different 'continents' or whatever you want to call them.

Bengal has 3 countries all needing defending, 5 territories can attack from 4 different 'continents'

Sikhs defend 3 also, all needing defending, 7 territories can attack them, only 3 'continents' though.

We should note that Himalayas do border both of these, but I still say whoever holds Himalayas has a great advantage. My opinion is that the bonus will affect gameplay negatively.

[Contrickster]

I have provided quite detailed explanations for the continent values. Please when you make comments about continent values can you demonstrate that you have read what I have written, and attempt to refute my logic? Otherwise I would not have a clue where you are coming from... (okay, will respond to edbeard in a moment)

35 or 36 territories - It is a small map: 35 territories is good for 5 and 3 players.

35 is an increase from 34 territories. I really feel the mainland is balanced just right and don't want to throw another territory there.

I could put in the Andamon and Nicobar Islands but 1. worried this weakens colonialists 2. I'd like to wait for Andy's opinion, maps have been published with under 36, and lack (or sully) posted to a thread to encourage production of small maps, designed for fewer than 6 players. As I said - suitable for 5/3 players.

[Contrickster]

Also I still say Himalayas should have a bonus of two. I realize you have said you are trying to direct the gameplay, but I believe whoever holds this area has a supreme advantage.

It has 4 countries with 2 countries needing defending, with only 3 territories able to attack it, from 3 different 'continents' or whatever you want to call them.

Bengal has 3 countries all needing defending, 5 territories can attack from 4 different 'continents'

Sikhs defend 3 also, all needing defending, 7 territories can attack them, only 3 'continents' though.

We should note that Himalayas do border both of these, but I still say whoever holds Himalayas has a great advantage. My opinion is that the bonus will affect gameplay negatively.

Opinion noted. you make a strong case that Himalayas is a powerful continent, however I rather suspect whoever holds Himalayas will struggle to expand outwards. Yes, Himalayas is easy to hold, but can you build and win from Himalayas?

I wonder how soon the new XML will come in? We could set an "Overload" limit on the Himalayan territories such that you can't stock over say 10 armies without losing armies a turn due to altitude/cold/starvation.

[mibi]

Yes, Himalayas is easy to hold, but can you build and win from Himalayas?

sure you can, by pushing out toward the ganges which would keep your borders at 2, then hop from colony to colony and once thats locked up you have a +8 for defending 4 territories. might as well grab bengell too, increase your borders by 1 and bonus by 2.. then you start your turn with a deployment of 14, and easy access to break every other bonus but the mughais. thats what i would do.

[Contrickster]

sure you can, by pushing out toward the ganges which would keep your borders at 2, then hop from colony to colony and once thats locked up you have a +8 for defending 4 territories. might as well grab bengell too, increase your borders by 1 and bonus by 2.. then you start your turn with a deployment of 14, and easy access to break every other bonus but the mughais. thats what i would do.

Perhaps +3 Himalayas until you hold another continent... then it becomes +2 ?

I'm being persuaded the power of the Himalayas needs limiting. Not persuaded +2 is the answer. I want Himalayas to be powerful, but not over-powerful.

[Neilhouse]

Final Forge? Is anyone looking over this map??

[unriggable]

Still think that colonialists should be at the most 4.

[Contrickster]

Putting no more work into this until I get some official word on how it looks, if only so next time I know what to do different. Think that's only fair on the map maker.

That's not to say I think it looks bad. Just that in contrast to what one might expect from other map threads there has be no official comment on this map yet.

What am I supposed to think?

[nagerous]

be patient, a lot of maps are at this stage now, they just gotta be given the once through by a mod

[Contrickster]

Cheers.

I just remember back to the beginning of the thread when I was told there was already an Indian map in development.

I argued - I thought successfully - that this map was original in its own right. Has the Himalayan continent, different borders, names style.

I'm willing to put more work into it and be patient. In fact I wonder how soon the new XML changes will roll out as it would be fun to have some XML tinkering to make this small map really balanced.

[nagerous]

bumpity bump, please could a mod look at this one