There is no proof Homer wrote the Illiad

[_sabotage_]

It is a humble opinion you are just too arrogant to know it.

[AAFitz]

It is a humble opinion you are just too arrogant to know it.

Kettle, meet Pot.

[Haggis_McMutton]

So what do atheist believe? You just die? So why even live?

Cause it's fun.

But you will disappear into nothingness and it won't matter if you ever lived once dead.

Don't worry, nothing matters. (or as I prefer to say: "It's all bullshit in the end")

Someone who believes that the world is all interconnected and that no part of the universe is outside this connection and calls this connection our creator also believes that the flesh will become part of the cycle of earth, but the soul will become part of the universe. As such, it doesn't matter if we die, it matters what we became during our life. If your every waking hour was determined by money, getting one over on the other guy, ie game theory, and having a hot wife so your friends all want to f*ck her, then in death, your soul is quite lost, it will have a terrible time adjusting and will probably suck for you.

On the other hand if you spend your life seeking freedom, equality and harmony with the world around you, you will be quite compatible in your new state.

Someone who believes this looks forward to death bc they will finally achieve the things they have been striving for. As to singing halleluiah all day and praise your maker, i dont agree with organized religion and the souls who expect to find a man up there with actual keys bc they said sorry for the crap they did and now want a nice house to chill for eternity will be in for a surprise. Remember god is in each of us and all of us regardless if we want him there or not, treating each other well means treating god well, if you want to sing hallelujah, at least direct it at plants bc i've heard they enjoy singing.

Hey, at least you admit that you believe all this stuff for the express purpose of assuaging your fear of death.
I can respect that. It's more honest than 90% of theistic rationalizations.

[_sabotage_]

You have reshaped my words to your own means. I have no fear of death, death will bring me harmony, which the limitations of the body do not provide for.

[Frigidus]

You have reshaped my words to your own means. I have no fear of death, death will bring me harmony, which the limitations of the body do not provide for.

What reason do you have to believe what you believe? I'm not discarding the idea all together, but I certainly can't say I've seen anything that would suggest life after death of any sort.

[_sabotage_]

Science and religion.

[Neoteny]

Well, I'm convinced.

[Haggis_McMutton]

You have reshaped my words to your own means. I have no fear of death, death will bring me harmony, which the limitations of the body do not provide for.

Of course. Sorry, should have said "non-existence" instead of "death" (they're synonymous to me, you see)

[Frigidus]

Well, I'm convinced.

Yes, why didn't I think of this before?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well, I'm convinced.

Yes, why didn't I think of this before?

Essentially the impetus behind every religion, ever. "There's life after death because I want it to be so."

-TG

[premio53]

You have reshaped my words to your own means. I have no fear of death, death will bring me harmony, which the limitations of the body do not provide for.

Of course. Sorry, should have said "non-existence" instead of "death" (they're synonymous to me, you see)

I hate to pop your bubble but even if you reject the Bible (at the peril of your own soul) there is much evidence (proof that science has no answers for) that once life leaves your body, so does your soul! Dr. Maurice Rawlings, a cardiologist who used to be an atheist changed his mind after numerous patients came back to life having faced sheer terror on what was on the other side. He was convinced that what lies beyond death's door isn't as benign or final as what he envisioned.

"Scientists" or "psychologists" try to explain the experiences by concocting a theory that the lack of oxygen to the brain can cause these "delusions." Some theorize that the patients had read some stories about seeing some light and so forth and that was the reason they "thought" they had the same experiences. None of that explains story after story of where the patients were unconscious and yet described in detail what the doctors were doing at the time they "passed away" and even recalled the conversations that were taking place at that time. There are even accounts of young children recalling the events that transpired while they were unconscious and explaining things that someone at that age should know nothing about. I'm sure you have heard of some of these stories but just in case here are a couple of links. The only answer you can give is everybody is lying from the patients to the ones who interviewed them. Sorry Charlie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjrRhxgKzHE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZkYOURUbn4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Op2P2OnGlA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKiowZDhIQM

[crispybits]

You really need to go and look up what constitutes evidence premio - I'll give you a hint - the irrational hallucinations of dying people undergoing massive amounts of psychological stress geenrally doesn't count, except as evidence of that stress and how our brain deals with it.

[aage]

Well, I'm convinced.

Yes, why didn't I think of this before?

Essentially the impetus behind every religion, ever. "There's life after death because I want it to be so."

-TG

Isn't that really wat religion, and everything non-material, really is? I mean, as long as everyone wants the same thing to be true, that thing would come true if one were to write down some rules about it, and everyone would eventually be happy. I want to be a happy person. If I went around believing I wasn't, that would be counterproductive to my goals.

This doesn't work for believing to be rich, get laid or get a good job, but neither does religion offer solid advice on this. It isn't meant to, it's meant to tell you how to live. That's exactly why your "There's life after death because I want it to be so"-quote is spot-on accurate, but not an actual criticism.

[premio53]

Well, I'm convinced.

Yes, why didn't I think of this before?

Essentially the impetus behind every religion, ever. "There's life after death because I want it to be so."

-TG

Isn't that really wat religion, and everything non-material, really is? I mean, as long as everyone wants the same thing to be true, that thing would come true if one were to write down some rules about it, and everyone would eventually be happy. I want to be a happy person. If I went around believing I wasn't, that would be counterproductive to my goals.

This doesn't work for believing to be rich, get laid or get a good job, but neither does religion offer solid advice on this. It isn't meant to, it's meant to tell you how to live. That's exactly why your "There's life after death because I want it to be so"-quote is spot-on accurate, but not an actual criticism.

And I would say many believe "There is no life after death because I don't want it to be so."

The reason many don't wish it to be so is because if there is life after death and indeed a Creator then we will answer to our Creator after death. My statement is just as valid as yours. I remind you of what a young Albert Einstein at 34 years of age once said.


"I have firmly resolved to bite the dust, when my time comes, with the minimum of medical assistance, and up to then I will sin to my wicked heart's desire."

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Well, I'm convinced.

Yes, why didn't I think of this before?

Essentially the impetus behind every religion, ever. "There's life after death because I want it to be so."

-TG

Isn't that really wat religion, and everything non-material, really is? I mean, as long as everyone wants the same thing to be true, that thing would come true if one were to write down some rules about it, and everyone would eventually be happy. I want to be a happy person. If I went around believing I wasn't, that would be counterproductive to my goals.

This doesn't work for believing to be rich, get laid or get a good job, but neither does religion offer solid advice on this. It isn't meant to, it's meant to tell you how to live. That's exactly why your "There's life after death because I want it to be so"-quote is spot-on accurate, but not an actual criticism.

Wasn't necessarily a criticism, just as an observation of how these silly ideas are forever perpetuated despite evidence to the contrary. Really it was just an agreement with Frigidus and Neo in regards to sabotage's reasoning for a belief in some supernatural existence after death.

-TG

[DoomYoshi]

This thread has really sucked since I ended my occupation. Why won't you just let it die?

*notes irony and posts anyway

[premio53]

Well, I'm convinced.

Yes, why didn't I think of this before?

Essentially the impetus behind every religion, ever. "There's life after death because I want it to be so."

-TG

Isn't that really wat religion, and everything non-material, really is? I mean, as long as everyone wants the same thing to be true, that thing would come true if one were to write down some rules about it, and everyone would eventually be happy. I want to be a happy person. If I went around believing I wasn't, that would be counterproductive to my goals.

This doesn't work for believing to be rich, get laid or get a good job, but neither does religion offer solid advice on this. It isn't meant to, it's meant to tell you how to live. That's exactly why your "There's life after death because I want it to be so"-quote is spot-on accurate, but not an actual criticism.

Wasn't necessarily a criticism, just as an observation of how these silly ideas are forever perpetuated despite evidence to the contrary. Really it was just an agreement with Frigidus and Neo in regards to sabotage's reasoning for a belief in some supernatural existence after death.

-TG

There is more evidence that life continues on after death than not. Dr. Rawlings isn't the only atheist that had to be honest with the evidence presented before him and realize that just because he didn't want to believe in life after death, his wishing meant nothing. There is no answer to how people and even little children could recall everything happening around them as they were unconscious and on the brink of crossing over into eternity describing the events going on around them including conversations. There are multitudes of testimonies that says you are wrong. This evidence is much more believable and scientific than believing in spontaneous generation or the universe evolved out of "literally nothing" (Richards Dawkins).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgF_iwUNqFU

[AndyDufresne]

Testimonies sound a lot like eye witness accounts, which have been proven to be the least reliable sources when it comes to real evidence, though they are still weighted with disproportionate value in the criminal justice system.


--Andy

[premio53]

Testimonies sound a lot like eye witness accounts, which have been proven to be the least reliable sources when it comes to real evidence, though they are still weighted with disproportionate value in the criminal justice system.


--Andy

They are more reliable and observable than belief in spontaneous generation or the fairy tale that the universe evolved from nothing.

[comic boy]

Well, I'm convinced.

Yes, why didn't I think of this before?

Essentially the impetus behind every religion, ever. "There's life after death because I want it to be so."

-TG

Isn't that really wat religion, and everything non-material, really is? I mean, as long as everyone wants the same thing to be true, that thing would come true if one were to write down some rules about it, and everyone would eventually be happy. I want to be a happy person. If I went around believing I wasn't, that would be counterproductive to my goals.

This doesn't work for believing to be rich, get laid or get a good job, but neither does religion offer solid advice on this. It isn't meant to, it's meant to tell you how to live. That's exactly why your "There's life after death because I want it to be so"-quote is spot-on accurate, but not an actual criticism.

And I would say many believe "There is no life after death because I don't want it to be so."

The reason many don't wish it to be so is because if there is life after death and indeed a Creator then we will answer to our Creator after death. My statement is just as valid as yours. I remind you of what a young Albert Einstein at 34 years of age once said.


"I have firmly resolved to bite the dust, when my time comes, with the minimum of medical assistance, and up to then I will sin to my wicked heart's desire."

Why do you keep lying and exagerating , do you seriously think it helps your cause ?

[AndyDufresne]

Testimonies sound a lot like eye witness accounts, which have been proven to be the least reliable sources when it comes to real evidence, though they are still weighted with disproportionate value in the criminal justice system.


--Andy

They are more reliable and observable than belief in spontaneous generation or the fairy tale that the universe evolved from nothing.

I am not sure how you observe things.


--Andy

[jonesthecurl]

Knowing what is going on around you while under anaesthetic is not the same as the afterlife.

[BigBallinStalin]

Testimonies sound a lot like eye witness accounts, which have been proven to be the least reliable sources when it comes to real evidence, though they are still weighted with disproportionate value in the criminal justice system.


--Andy

They are more reliable and observable than belief in spontaneous generation or the fairy tale that the universe evolved from nothing.

In other words, eye witness accounts are more reliable than a more scientific approach (e.g. car collision tests) for verifying what actually occurred in the case.

MAKES SENSE TO ME. Can't trust that science and all its baloney! Science??? More like Science Fiction! Suck it, Neoteny and you other science-types!

[AndyDufresne]

Knowing what is going on around you while under anaesthetic is not the same as the afterlife.

Or...just maybe, Jonesy, being under anaesthetic is the window to the afterlife, just like it has been conclusively proven that dreams are a window to our souls, just like it has been conclusively proven that windows with screens are better on hot days with a bit of a breeze. I rest my airtight case.


--Andy

[jonesthecurl]

Well, I'll go get a few pints of anaesthetic and report back.