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CBlake wrote:What do you guys think? I've heard some talks of minimum wage being raised upwards to $9.80. Personally I think this is a horrible idea as small business will struggle even more than they already are, companies will be forced to cut hours and make less employees do more work meaning less jobs overall. Some people will have more money in their pockets to spend, but prices of goods will rise due to the increase cost of running a business... That's my 2 cents, what do you guys think?
krusher wrote:CBlake wrote:What do you guys think? I've heard some talks of minimum wage being raised upwards to $9.80. Personally I think this is a horrible idea as small business will struggle even more than they already are, companies will be forced to cut hours and make less employees do more work meaning less jobs overall. Some people will have more money in their pockets to spend, but prices of goods will rise due to the increase cost of running a business... That's my 2 cents, what do you guys think?
You are dead wrong!
krusher wrote:CBlake wrote:What do you guys think? I've heard some talks of minimum wage being raised upwards to $9.80. Personally I think this is a horrible idea as small business will struggle even more than they already are, companies will be forced to cut hours and make less employees do more work meaning less jobs overall. Some people will have more money in their pockets to spend, but prices of goods will rise due to the increase cost of running a business... That's my 2 cents, what do you guys think?
You are dead wrong! small bussiness pay close to that or even a little more... its the big business who can afford to pay them more, that are paying people minimum wage... Fast food/Wal mart are big abusers of minimum wage. The working class are the ones who spend money in this economy so giving them a raise will only return the money to other business and give some much needed relieve for people struggling. The cost of living in this country is absurd, to the point that if you can't work for 1-2 months you are already in poverty. Even at 9.80 or 10. That is really hard to make by in most cities. The cost of living in Florida is pretty high compared to some states I'vee been on. I am always astonished how working people somehow and for some reason defend these money hungry corrupt corporations that use their workers for cheap labor instead of honoring their employee/employeer relationship and giving their employees a fair waige to keep up with the cost of living. Its bad enough that they don't pay for sick days, offer no over time or provide no resonable or legitimate retirement/health plan.
WAKE the f*ck up America we are being controlled by the 1% and their interests!! FDR and the like minded progressive presidents that fought so hard for the People would be ashaimed to see what we've done to their legacy. We are miles behind the Developed nations in terms of work laws and fair wages, even some developing nations have a far better system and represensation for the working class than we do... Union membership has dropped to insignificant levels and any progressive legislation that gets to Congress is quickly labeled as Socialist or Communist plot by the Right. I am sick and tired of Democrats no longer representing the Left, there is no represensation for Liberal/Progressives and the Democratic party has become a Centrist pussy footing around, right appeaser. The Right on the other hand has become more fascist, radical, ignorant, racist, and demanding. I never seen a minority to have so much power as the Right and that is only because they are backed by the rich and because of the lack of voice and leadership in the Progressive/Liberal camp.
Obama last night said we didn't need bigger government, we needed smarter government... This is absurd, the population, the infrustracture, and our technology is growing at a incredible rate, it is obvious that Government needs to keep up/expand in all fields to regulate and provide the service that they are requied to. How the f*ck does Obama have the balls to call himself a Democrat and bend backwards to a Republican platform of smaller Government. Smarter government goes without saying but alas, that will only be true when all the Right is kicked out.
CBlake wrote:krusher wrote:CBlake wrote:
I don't know which small businesses you are talking about, but the ones I know around here can't afford to keep the same amount of employees on staff for a higher wage rate per hour.
b.k. barunt wrote:"Small businesses can't afford to pay another 2 or 3 dollars an hour without folding"? Niggapleeze! That's the standard feedline administered by the big corporations to the (usually right wing) lackeys who suck it up and parrot it back out with a naivete that would delight Glenn Beck. You couldn't possibly come up with a less original, less insightful, and downright stoopit argument.
Here, let me give you an example: In 1999, while working my way through college (yeah i'm a late bloomer) i worked for a friend who did landscaping. He paid me 8.00 an hour, which in Louisiana was a dollar and a half over the minimum wage of Louisiana at the time. I have a crippled foot and a broken back from an old bike wreck, so i wasn't able to work as fast as the other two young guys who worked for him - he gave them 10 dollars an hour. Nevertheless, on one day when it was just the two of us working together he said we had a good day. I asked him how much he pulled in that day and being a friend of mine he told me. He made over 500 dollars and i made 64. If i would've been paid 10 dollars an hour instead of 8 (a fair wage) i would've made 80 dollars instead of 64. I think anyone with half a brain can see that wouldn't exactly break him.
b.k. barunt wrote:"Small businesses can't afford to pay another 2 or 3 dollars an hour without folding"? Niggapleeze! That's the standard feedline administered by the big corporations to the (usually right wing) lackeys who suck it up and parrot it back out with a naivete that would delight Glenn Beck. You couldn't possibly come up with a less original, less insightful, and downright stoopit argument.
Here, let me give you an example: In 1999, while working my way through college (yeah i'm a late bloomer) i worked for a friend who did landscaping. He paid me 8.00 an hour, which in Louisiana was a dollar and a half over the minimum wage of Louisiana at the time. I have a crippled foot and a broken back from an old bike wreck, so i wasn't able to work as fast as the other two young guys who worked for him - he gave them 10 dollars an hour. Nevertheless, on one day when it was just the two of us working together he said we had a good day. I asked him how much he pulled in that day and being a friend of mine he told me. He made over 500 dollars and i made 64. If i would've been paid 10 dollars an hour instead of 8 (a fair wage) i would've made 80 dollars instead of 64. I think anyone with half a brain can see that wouldn't exactly break him.
krusher wrote:You are dead wrong! small business pay close to that or even a little more...
Bruceswar Ā» Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:59 pm wrote:We all had tons of men..
kentington wrote:The government is not altruistic. What are the benefits, for the government, of raising minimum wages?
When the minimum wage goes up, union wages and benefits also go up. Thatās why unions are always behind an increase in the minimum wage. Union workers do not make minimum wage. Unions can hold companies hostage to force up wages. Theyāre the fourth branch of government. When the minimum wage goes up, the wages of union employees have to go up as well, so they want new contracts to reflect a āproperā wage distance from the meager minimum wage earner.
BigBallinStalin wrote:
He does more than shovel dirt, just sayin'.
warmonger1981 wrote:Suppose that lawyer had to go to law school and pull thousands in in credit to go there. He has to pay that back not you. There is a cost to run a business. I know I own my own company and if I paid my employees the same wage as me I would ne broke. But there has to be a fair wage paid no doubt . I also do 10 times the work be it paying for insurance,fuel,material,marketing and so on. Not everyone can make the same if there are hidden costs or if the work load is not the same. Should a burger flipper get the same wage as a manager who went to collage?
Funkyterrance wrote:BigBallinStalin wrote:
He does more than shovel dirt, just sayin'.
More what exactly? Not more work, most likely. More responsibilities, more headaches perhaps but it makes one wonder how big that bridge between the owner and the lowly worker ought to be. I think that's a pretty big problem with the U.S. tbh, everybody wants to run shit but nobody wants to do shit. Make the doing worth more and a lot more will get "done".
I'd just like to make a preemptive suggestion that we not enter free markets into this one because it not about that imho, it's about greed and preying on the ignorance of your workers, AKA dishonesty. Why pay people more than they are willing to work for you ask? Because they deserve to make more.
AAFitz wrote:I dont know. The least amount Ive worked for since I was 19 was $10 an hour, and that was almost 25 years ago. I cant fathom living off of less.
The take-home on that is what $80....eat lunch $5, pay for gas $10...youre at $65 day. Those who argue against this are typically those who benefited most when their grandfathers benefited from such deals, and no doubt they are sickened by the fact that those that benefited so greatly, spit on what they used to not need it anymore.
Further, by not boosting the lowest of the lower class, they drag them and everyone around them down, and only those at the very top, could ever benefit.
The main problem of course, besides ignorance, is that we are directly competing with China, who has no problem exploiting their children, and essentially creating a slave society and labeling it capitalism. We all empower it to some degree, but posters like NS, albeit unwittingly, condones this with every post he ever makes, mostly, because he is too young, and has been coddled by a system he has come to forsake.
Its disgusting.
I hate agreeing with BK.
BigBallinStalin wrote:AAFitz wrote:I dont know. The least amount Ive worked for since I was 19 was $10 an hour, and that was almost 25 years ago. I cant fathom living off of less.
The take-home on that is what $80....eat lunch $5, pay for gas $10...youre at $65 day. Those who argue against this are typically those who benefited most when their grandfathers benefited from such deals, and no doubt they are sickened by the fact that those that benefited so greatly, spit on what they used to not need it anymore.
Further, by not boosting the lowest of the lower class, they drag them and everyone around them down, and only those at the very top, could ever benefit.
The main problem of course, besides ignorance, is that we are directly competing with China, who has no problem exploiting their children, and essentially creating a slave society and labeling it capitalism. We all empower it to some degree, but posters like NS, albeit unwittingly, condones this with every post he ever makes, mostly, because he is too young, and has been coddled by a system he has come to forsake.
Its disgusting.
I hate agreeing with BK.
Don't you have a business? You should quadruple the pay of all your workers and see what happens. Why not give them all $100 per hour? See how that works out!
BigBallinStalin wrote:Wait, why not pay them all $100 per hour? What price makes sense? Should marginal costs exceed marginal benefit?
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