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ooge wrote:conservatives and republicans in the U.S. hate liberalism.
waauw wrote:ooge wrote:conservatives and republicans in the U.S. hate liberalism.
ok, but why? I ask this because I honestly don't know.
ooge wrote:waauw wrote:ooge wrote:conservatives and republicans in the U.S. hate liberalism.
ok, but why? I ask this because I honestly don't know.
To lengthy to answer,ask yourself what liberalism is and think why someone would hate it. Hint they hate Social security as well. another clue look up Ayn Rand.
waauw wrote:ooge wrote:waauw wrote:ooge wrote:conservatives and republicans in the U.S. hate liberalism.
ok, but why? I ask this because I honestly don't know.
To lengthy to answer,ask yourself what liberalism is and think why someone would hate it. Hint they hate Social security as well. another clue look up Ayn Rand.
social security has nothing to do with liberalism. It's an element of socialism...
waauw wrote:Hey, I'm a european and I'm a firm believer in the liberal set of values. However I've noticed that on the internet there seem to be a lot of americans using "liberalism" as an insult.
Therefor I would like to ask americans here to tell me why there are so many americans who hate liberalism? I can only assume it's not the same reason why some europeans hate liberalism. In europe it's people looking from a socialist perspective who hate liberalism, however the US being so anti-socialist I guess it has another reason?
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[4][5][6][7][8]
waauw wrote:Hey, I'm a european and I'm a firm believer in the liberal set of values. However I've noticed that on the internet there seem to be a lot of americans using "liberalism" as an insult.
Therefor I would like to ask americans here to tell me why there are so many americans who hate liberalism? I can only assume it's not the same reason why some europeans hate liberalism. In europe it's people looking from a socialist perspective who hate liberalism, however the US being so anti-socialist I guess it has another reason?
BigBallinStalin wrote:waauw wrote:Hey, I'm a european and I'm a firm believer in the liberal set of values. However I've noticed that on the internet there seem to be a lot of americans using "liberalism" as an insult.
Therefor I would like to ask americans here to tell me why there are so many americans who hate liberalism? I can only assume it's not the same reason why some europeans hate liberalism. In europe it's people looking from a socialist perspective who hate liberalism, however the US being so anti-socialist I guess it has another reason?
"Liberal" in America means "welfare liberal" or "Rawlsian liberal." It's the political ideology which favors government intervention for the goal of promoting some standard of living for poorer people.
"Liberalism" doesn't mean exactly the same thing though. Wiki gets its right:
Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[2][3] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas such as free and fair elections, civil rights, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, free trade, and private property.[4][5][6][7][8]
However, by "equality," they mean the classical meaning: "political equality"--not economic equality, which is a goal associated with welfare liberalism, egalitarianism, socialism, etc.
(ooge doesn't make much sense. He's promoting a distorted view in order to make others perceive that his favored ideology is totes better than other ideologies in the US).
ooge wrote:conservatives and republicans in the U.S. hate liberalism.
Woodruff wrote:ooge wrote:conservatives and republicans in the U.S. hate liberalism.
In the United States, a lot of Democrats would appear to hate liberalism, as well.
ooge wrote:
waauw wrote:Hey, I'm a european and I'm a firm believer in the liberal set of values. However I've noticed that on the internet there seem to be a lot of americans using "liberalism" as an insult.
Therefor I would like to ask americans here to tell me why there are so many americans who hate liberalism? I can only assume it's not the same reason why some europeans hate liberalism. In europe it's people looking from a socialist perspective who hate liberalism, however the US being so anti-socialist I guess it has another reason?
ooge wrote:waauw wrote:ooge wrote:waauw wrote:ooge wrote:conservatives and republicans in the U.S. hate liberalism.
ok, but why? I ask this because I honestly don't know.
To lengthy to answer,ask yourself what liberalism is and think why someone would hate it. Hint they hate Social security as well. another clue look up Ayn Rand.
social security has nothing to do with liberalism. It's an element of socialism...
in the US those who hate liberalism, tie socialism and liberalism together.
waauw wrote:Hey, I'm a european and I'm a firm believer in the liberal set of values. However I've noticed that on the internet there seem to be a lot of americans using "liberalism" as an insult.
Phatscotty wrote:ooge wrote:
LOL, there's enough editing in the first 30 second of your clip to make John Stewart wet his pants. If you want to get the message you are looking for, sure check out the edited with malicious intent version. Or, you can go the Phatscotty way, and watch the full interview, in context (no answers are edited to appear as a response to a totally different question than was asked) Whoever made that video is a liar and purposefully trying to confuse the message.
Quick message to the OP, Liberal is usually used in a very general sense. If we want to get technical about it, I am a classic Liberal. However, Liberal used to be a negative word. I would know it was used to bash me the same way you see me bashed today as a right winger. The most correct understanding of what we are talking about, if this originated from the education thread, is to understand Progressivism. Progressivism is strongest on the left, but deeply pervades the right as well. There are many Progressive Republicans, and they are just as bad as the Progressive Democrats.
Obama is Progressive to the core, Romney also is a Progressive, just not as much. Huckabee is a Progressive, so is Clinton. Ron Paul is the definition of a everything a Progressive isn't, Gary Johnson too.
Phatscotty wrote:Ron Paul is the definition of a everything a Progressive isn't, Gary Johnson too.
/ wrote:From what I’ve seen, the large majority of Americans are moderates, perhaps with one or two issues that feel strongly about. The two major parties of Democrat and Republican are basically identical in their core rhetoric; listen to any politician from either party talk, and they will both say basically the same things.
/ wrote:The opposing party sees that, and mistakenly assumes the other side is the fringe, as a reaction, they take the other side, even if the other side doesn't make any sense.
Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Ron Paul is the definition of a everything a Progressive isn't, Gary Johnson too.
Which is almost certainly why you refused to vote for Gary Johnson.
ooge wrote:Phatscotty wrote:ooge wrote:
LOL, there's enough editing in the first 30 second of your clip to make John Stewart wet his pants. If you want to get the message you are looking for, sure check out the edited with malicious intent version. Or, you can go the Phatscotty way, and watch the full interview, in context (no answers are edited to appear as a response to a totally different question than was asked) Whoever made that video is a liar and purposefully trying to confuse the message.
Quick message to the OP, Liberal is usually used in a very general sense. If we want to get technical about it, I am a classic Liberal. However, Liberal used to be a negative word. I would know it was used to bash me the same way you see me bashed today as a right winger. The most correct understanding of what we are talking about, if this originated from the education thread, is to understand Progressivism. Progressivism is strongest on the left, but deeply pervades the right as well. There are many Progressive Republicans, and they are just as bad as the Progressive Democrats.
Obama is Progressive to the core, Romney also is a Progressive, just not as much. Huckabee is a Progressive, so is Clinton. Ron Paul is the definition of a everything a Progressive isn't, Gary Johnson too.
I knew your short attention span would not be able to watch the full clip,hence the short version. so you a Ayn rand supporter,we already know you love Ayn Rand Paul
Phatscotty wrote:Woodruff wrote:Phatscotty wrote:Ron Paul is the definition of a everything a Progressive isn't, Gary Johnson too.
Which is almost certainly why you refused to vote for Gary Johnson.
If I had voted for Gary Johnson, WHAT WOULD THAT CHANGE? LMAO!!
Phatscotty wrote:meh, pretty sure it had to do with recognizing nobody even knows who Gary Johnson is, as well as a lack of effort IMO.
Phatscotty wrote:Ron Paul had a much better shot and made a much larger impact. In short, I couldn't add a vote to the 2% GJ got because I was too busy helping win an entire state for Ron Paul. He is way ahead of Gary.
Phatscotty wrote:I think the Ron Paul path is a much more realistic one, and I made that decision a long time ago.
Woodruff wrote:/ wrote:From what I’ve seen, the large majority of Americans are moderates, perhaps with one or two issues that feel strongly about. The two major parties of Democrat and Republican are basically identical in their core rhetoric; listen to any politician from either party talk, and they will both say basically the same things.
While I agree with you that the two major parties are basically identical in their core rhetoric, I do not consider them to be moderates. Rather, I consider both parties to be to the right of center./ wrote:The opposing party sees that, and mistakenly assumes the other side is the fringe, as a reaction, they take the other side, even if the other side doesn't make any sense.
Both parties have moved to the right since Reagan, in my opinion, rather than any back-and-forth.
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