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john9blue wrote:on what issues specifically?
feel free to pick positions that you think would surprise me. i like to be pleasantly surprised.
waauw wrote:try me. Which is my preferred political persuasion?(narrowed it down to only liberalism as I already mentioned that I'm liberal in another topic.
Classical liberal, neoliberal or social-liberal?
or what about this one? Tell me what my economical persuasion is? What is my preferred economical system?
mercantilism, classical, neoclassical, Keynesian capitalism, austrian capitalism, chicago capitalism, ... ?
==> let's see if you get both of 'm right, because none of these have anything to do with my atheist point of view. But as you claim to know my political views, give it a go
chang50 wrote: Move the goalposts much John?You make a totally ridiculous claim,then when challenged dodge the issue.Of course you have no choice because you have very little idea what other people think politically based on their atheism for the very good reason nobody does.
crispybits wrote:So a theist believes (accepts as true) that God exists.
We put the letter "a" in front of some words instead of putting "not". So for example "amoral" doesn't mean bad, it means without any moral properties at all. "Apolitical" doesn't mean anti-political, it means without having anything to do with politics. We could just as correctly write "not moral" or "not political", but these are ambiguous phrases that could be confused with other meanings depending on the context.
So, when we put the "a" in front of theist, what it means is that an atheist is anyone who is not a theist. Given that being a theist involves assigning a truth value to a statement, anyone who cannot assign a truth value to this statement is not a theist, and therefore TNs are, by definition, atheist.
Now do you want to stop quibbling about semantics and go back to when the conversation was interesting, like the point where I was waiting for you to demonstrate why atheism will lead to a total collapse of the moral fabric of society maybe? I've set out my case in response to BBS, still waiting for yours.
natty_dread wrote:Do ponies have sex?
(proud member of the Occasionally Wrongly Banned)Army of GOD wrote:the term heterosexual is offensive. I prefer to be called "normal"
chang50 wrote: Move the goalposts much John?You make a totally ridiculous claim,then when challenged dodge the issue.Of course you have no choice because you have very little idea what other people think politically based on their atheism for the very good reason nobody does.
john9blue wrote:like i said earlier, you CAN stretch the definition of "atheist" this far is you really want to, but it wouldn't mean anything since the people i am talking about would be forced to label themselves with a word based on a concept they feel has no meaning.
if a german person calls you a dummkopf, and you didn't know what that meant, would you agree or disagree with them? my guess is that you would do neither.
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.
universalchiro wrote:Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).
universalchiro wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.
The human female ovum (egg) has a shell around it to seal and protect the chromosomes from being fertilized by the wrong kind of creature. There is only one kind of creature on earth that has the proper enzyme to dissolve this shell for fertilization. It's the human male.
At the tip of the spermatozoa, is a capitulate enzyme that when it comes in contact with the ovum shell, this enzyme dissolves the shell for fertilization.
No other creature on earth has this enzyme to dissolve the human ovum for fertilization.
In fact each kind of animal, the male of that kind, is the only creature on earth that has the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of their female kind for fertilization. For example: all male dogs have the enzyme for all female dogs.
And all male equine have the enzyme to dissolve the female ovum shell of only their female same kind.
Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).
But since all mankind was created in the image of God, God sealed His creation, protected His creation. So that even when mankind practiced beastiality, God's creation of His own image, would remain pure, clean, sealed, protected.
Since we are created in the image of God, we perform the same acts with our creations:
When humans write a book, to protect their book, they will copyright it.
When humans paint a painting, they will sign the bottom corner to seal it and protect their ownership.
When an inventor invents something, they will patent their invention to seal it, protect it.
You wanted evidence, this is very strong evidence.
Sincerely,
Dr. Lawrence
crispybits wrote:Sincerley,
High Chief Admiral of the Seventh Imperial Fleet Crispybits
universalchiro wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.
The human female ovum (egg) has a shell around it to seal and protect the chromosomes from being fertilized by the wrong kind of creature. There is only one kind of creature on earth that has the proper enzyme to dissolve this shell for fertilization. It's the human male.
At the tip of the spermatozoa, is a capitulate enzyme that when it comes in contact with the ovum shell, this enzyme dissolves the shell for fertilization.
No other creature on earth has this enzyme to dissolve the human ovum for fertilization.
In fact each kind of animal, the male of that kind, is the only creature on earth that has the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of their female kind for fertilization. For example: all male dogs have the enzyme for all female dogs.
And all male equine have the enzyme to dissolve the female ovum shell of only their female same kind.
Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).
But since all mankind was created in the image of God, God sealed His creation, protected His creation. So that even when mankind practiced beastiality, God's creation of His own image, would remain pure, clean, sealed, protected.
Since we are created in the image of God, we perform the same acts with our creations:
When humans write a book, to protect their book, they will copyright it.
When humans paint a painting, they will sign the bottom corner to seal it and protect their ownership.
When an inventor invents something, they will patent their invention to seal it, protect it.
You wanted evidence, this is very strong evidence.
Sincerely,
Dr. Lawrence
crispybits wrote:Due to cutbacks it mostly involves making tea.
I don't have the budget for extra staff, you can have an unpaid intern position though. I'll throw in a banana at the end of each week from my own wage if your work is satisfactory.
waauw wrote:universalchiro wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.
The human female ovum (egg) has a shell around it to seal and protect the chromosomes from being fertilized by the wrong kind of creature. There is only one kind of creature on earth that has the proper enzyme to dissolve this shell for fertilization. It's the human male.
At the tip of the spermatozoa, is a capitulate enzyme that when it comes in contact with the ovum shell, this enzyme dissolves the shell for fertilization.
No other creature on earth has this enzyme to dissolve the human ovum for fertilization.
In fact each kind of animal, the male of that kind, is the only creature on earth that has the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of their female kind for fertilization. For example: all male dogs have the enzyme for all female dogs.
And all male equine have the enzyme to dissolve the female ovum shell of only their female same kind.
Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).
But since all mankind was created in the image of God, God sealed His creation, protected His creation. So that even when mankind practiced beastiality, God's creation of His own image, would remain pure, clean, sealed, protected.
Since we are created in the image of God, we perform the same acts with our creations:
When humans write a book, to protect their book, they will copyright it.
When humans paint a painting, they will sign the bottom corner to seal it and protect their ownership.
When an inventor invents something, they will patent their invention to seal it, protect it.
You wanted evidence, this is very strong evidence.
Sincerely,
Dr. Lawrence
Before I answer you, I want you to know I'm not an expert in biology. It is not my field of expertise. So if I overlook something or if I make some mistake, please let me know. I'm glad to learn more if I can.
Anyway you state that Darwin's theory doesn't add up because of the fact that animals can't crossbreed because of some enzyme. However if that very enzyme would mutate, as animals do in time, doesn't that mean the enzyme stops working? Or if I would rephrase this, doesn't that mean that evolution is the cause of animals not being able to crossbreed?
As far as I understand animal reproduction functions a bit similar to gravity. The further you are from the gravitational field the less influence that field will have on you. So the more animals have mutated away from each other, the higher the probability that they won't be able to mate. The reason for this being that the the probability of their enzymes or membranes having mutated might have mutated too.
The problem is in fact that to fully comprehend how animals functions, one ought to understand the entire DNA-sequence of the creature. However science hasn't gotten that far yet. We are still decades away from fully mapping our own DNA-sequence(and especially from having clear insights into them), let alone those of other animals. So why state that it is proof of there being a god if the basic building blocks of our body aren't even understood? In my honest opinion, the best we can do is say "I don't know".
Another point I'd like to bring to your attention is that if we do assume life on earth was created(just an assumption). What proves that we were created by a divine entity(I interpret it as all powerfull and all knowing). Why not believe we were created by aliens? Even if you got conclusive proof that animals were intelligently designed, you still have no proof of who did it.
universalchiro wrote:For 5,000 years that mankind has been keeping records, there is never and never will be a record of sheep giving birth to a half dog, or a female dog giving birth to a half goat. Why? All creatures have been sealed to reproduce after their own kind. Genesis 1:24 "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind; cattle and creeping things and bests of the earth after their kind; and it was so. God made the beasts of earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind; and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind;.. vs 26 Then God said, ' Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ... God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
universalchiro wrote:All [when ever someone says "all", you must throw a red flag and study what they say to except or refute], All creatures that mutate too far away from their kind, are sterile. Hence, ending any further movement away from their kind.
But even if they weren't sterile, their pituitary gland releases hormones that cause that particular kind of creature to seek and pursue only their same kind. Also, pheromones released by all creatures are receptor specific to attract their same kind.
Putting this all in perspective:
1. Only the male sperm of the same specific kind has the enzyme to dissolve the egg shell of the same specific kind.
2. The pituitary gland of each kind of creature, produce desire for the same kind.
3. Pheromones released to attract a mate by the females, is receptor specific for their same kind.
4. When a creature mutates too far from their kind, they are sterile.
5. When a female sheep or goat is in heat, and a male dog is overwhelmed with desire to copulate outside their kind, the dog sperm still lacks the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of other kinds, except their own kind.
For 5,000 years that mankind has been keeping records, there is never and never will be a record of sheep giving birth to a half dog, or a female dog giving birth to a half goat. Why? All creatures have been sealed to reproduce after their own kind. Genesis 1:24 "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind; cattle and creeping things and bests of the earth after their kind; and it was so. God made the beasts of earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind; and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind;.. vs 26 Then God said, ' Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ... God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
To think otherwise, is a religion. Why? Their is no evidence, their is only faith that dogs evolved from cats, or sheep evolved from wolf, or cats evolved from squirrels, or humans evolved from apes, or etc... purely faith based.
Put this another way:
1. We could soak a cat ovum in a pool of dog sperm and nothing will happen.
2. We could take a female dog in heat, with a herd of male sheep/goat/cats and no fertilization occurs.
CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.
universalchiro wrote:People believe the age of the earth is billions of years old. Why? Well that's what scientist are telling us. Why do scientist tell us that the earth is billions of years old?
universalchiro wrote:give evidence of God since He is the author of the Bible.
universalchiro wrote:All [when ever someone says "all", you must throw a red flag and study what they say to except or refute], All creatures that mutate too far away from their kind, are sterile. Hence, ending any further movement away from their kind.
universalchiro wrote:But even if they weren't sterile, their pituitary gland releases hormones that cause that particular kind of creature to seek and pursue only their same kind. Also, pheromones released by all creatures are receptor specific to attract their same kind.
universalchiro wrote:Putting this all in perspective:
1. Only the male sperm of the same specific kind has the enzyme to dissolve the egg shell of the same specific kind.
2. The pituitary gland of each kind of creature, produce desire for the same kind.
3. Pheromones released to attract a mate by the females, is receptor specific for their same kind.
4. When a creature mutates too far from their kind, they are sterile.
5. When a female sheep or goat is in heat, and a male dog is overwhelmed with desire to copulate outside their kind, the dog sperm still lacks the enzyme to dissolve the ovum of other kinds, except their own kind.
universalchiro wrote:For 5,000 years that mankind has been keeping records, there is never and never will be a record of sheep giving birth to a half dog, or a female dog giving birth to a half goat. Why? All creatures have been sealed to reproduce after their own kind. Genesis 1:24 "Then God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind; cattle and creeping things and bests of the earth after their kind; and it was so. God made the beasts of earth after their kind, and the cattle after their kind; and everything that creeps on the ground after its kind;.. vs 26 Then God said, ' Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; ... God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.
universalchiro wrote:To think otherwise, is a religion. Why? Their is no evidence, their is only faith that dogs evolved from cats, or sheep evolved from wolf, or cats evolved from squirrels, or humans evolved from apes, or etc... purely faith based.
Put this another way:
1. We could soak a cat ovum in a pool of dog sperm and nothing will happen.
2. We could take a female dog in heat, with a herd of male sheep/goat/cats and no fertilization occurs.
universalchiro wrote:CreepersWiener wrote:I am looking for evidence of God. If any of you have any...please post it here.
People believe the age of the earth is billions of years old. Why? Well that's what scientist are telling us. Why do scientist tell us that the earth is billions of years old?
There are several assumptions that are built upon to come to this conclusion. We'll address one today.
They see how much space debris is added to earth each year. This is a known and accepted fact that 80,000lbs of space debris is added to the earth each year. Now what the scientist do with that information is where there is a breakdown in discernment.
For they see all the layers of the earth. And at the current rate of debris being added to the earth, in deed it would take billions of years for all the layers to form. But there is a major problem with this belief/theory.
universalchiro wrote:Petrified trees
Petrified trees are said to take 500,000 years to form. But for petrified trees to occur, there needs to be lots of soil covering, moisture, pressure and heat covering the trees in a relatively short period of time. Why a short period of time and what is a short period of time. Time as in not longer than a year to cover the tree. Why? if the time to cover the tree is longer than a year, the tree will decay and dissolve to a stump.
So what, why is this significant to debunking a billion year old earth? There are 100's of vertically standing petrified trees on multiple continents that transcend through 20 layers of soil. If it took millions of years for each layer of soil to build up, there would be no vertically standing petrified trees. For they would have long since decayed by the time a layer built up above it's stump. Therefore, vertically standing petrified trees are remnant byproducts of soil settling fast (within a year) covering the tree.
What event in earth's history fits a scenario with soil settling quicker covering trees in about a year, versus the current evolutionary model of soil building up over millions of years to cover the trees? The Biblical global flood. Genesis 7. Not only did it rain for 40 days and 40 nights, but huge water caverns burst violently open.Genesis 7:11 all the fountains of the great deep burst open, and the floodgates of the sky were opened.... Now if water is bursting out of the earth, that water will be filled with clay, rock, dirt, sedimentary soil, silt, etc. And that water with high turbity (lots of earth mixed with it), the dirt will settle in layers according to density.
This explains why there are layers on the earth and why petrified trees transcend multiple layers. This is strong evidence that what the Bible describes is spot on accurate and give evidence of God since He is the author of the Bible. It's God's own testimony of what He did and what He requires of us.
Sincerely,
Dr. Lawrence
universalchiro wrote:Evolution would not do that. Evolution does not allow for exclusivity of any kind of creature on earth. For with evolution there would be creatures evolving, devolving and with no changes (ie moving laterally).
Nordik wrote:universalchiro wrote:give evidence of God since He is the author of the Bible.
And now I know you're just trolling. Nice try though.
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