how do i issue a complaint?

[IcePack]

Yeah less reflecting of the PACK then certain ex AFOS members. Unfortunately it will drag PACK along for the ride in some way or other intended or not.

[greenoaks]

Yeah less reflecting of the PACK then certain ex AFOS members. Unfortunately it will drag PACK along for the ride in some way or other intended or not.

it doesn't drag them along poorly for me.

i was a Pack member. they play very hard but they are not stupid.

stealing half another clan's roster , but not this.

is it karma

[IcePack]

Yeah less reflecting of the PACK then certain ex AFOS members. Unfortunately it will drag PACK along for the ride in some way or other intended or not.

it doesn't drag them along poorly for me.

i was a Pack member. they play very hard but they are not stupid.

stealing half another clan's roster , but not this.

is it karma

Didn't mean drag them along reputation wise, but waiting to find out how many new members are getting banned and intertwined in some new players fate etc to see where the dust settles.

[betiko]

Yeah less reflecting of the PACK then certain ex AFOS members. Unfortunately it will drag PACK along for the ride in some way or other intended or not.

it doesn't drag them along poorly for me.

i was a Pack member. they play very hard but they are not stupid.

stealing half another clan's roster , but not this.

is it karma

Didn't mean drag them along reputation wise, but waiting to find out how many new members are getting banned and intertwined in some new players fate etc to see where the dust settles.

well from gannable's words who is the victim here, seems like he sees just 1 offender, ponygal. and just 2 players punished, her and emmdizzle (after she used his computer?). I doubt that all 16 players joining the pack started this type of stuff, it's way more likely to be 1 isolated person as gannable suggests.

[Mageplunka69]

the jury is still out , so lets see where the dust settles...both clans will survive, and Afos only lost inactive players , mostly freemiums....talented ill say that, but 4 games at a time is not a player I like to play with....never active in the clan forums....a few were real good and premium, and that I will miss...but we have the bulk of great players....sad that this happened, but its a game which i cherish....but its a game...thats all

[gannable]

frankly,

now im pissed

ive been kind of aimlessly going through the motions the past 2 yrs, and blaming dice.

now my eyes are open and im going to taking every move/game seriously

[Great-Ollie]

Really sucks what happened to you guys, but maybe this will be a great blessing in disguise? Your roster is still filled with great players and you will still be a top clan in my opinion. Hopefully everything works out and maybe you can get revenge and beat The Pack one day? Most of The Pack is filled with great people so i really hope these new additions work out for them.

[freakns]

have this been resolved?
if someone was highjacking others accounts and throwing games out of spite(or cause in his strange world thats funny), that person should get permban, no discussion

[AslanTheKing]

you bloody hackers and cheap cheating scum guys are so full of shit,
if u do that with my clan i will hunt u like edward snowden

by the way, my password is f*** y***

[Gilligan]

by the way, my password is f*** y***

no it's not

[betiko]

you bloody hackers and cheap cheating scum guys are so full of shit,
if u do that with my clan i will hunt u like edward snowden

by the way, my password is f*** y***

I keep on trying it s not working here either

[jltile1]

Well lets clear the air..

Gannable your right pony made your move in the 2.1 game. You spammed Emmdizzle wall about us leaving the clan with things that she did not agree with, and she took personal. So she acted irrational and took it out on you having access to passwords while Emm was at work. I am not condoning her actions nor yours, you have also left unacceptable chat in my game that you are not a part of. At some point there is a time to let it go Emmdizzle does not play like that and has nothing good to say about the AFOS as do my self.

First off I was leaving after I was told things a clan leader told me in a game chat, that for me was unacceptable. Emmdizzle and some close clan mates have been talking about a move and came up with a decision to make a move. But why knock our decision we waited until the clan wars were over. Another part of the decision was Vin said he was leaving, helping Emm's decision to make a new venture. Then he made other moves but ours was into action already.

The Pack has nothing to do with any of this, only the decision to take on guys that were ready to put there heads to work to win games.

All this being said I have no issues with any AFOS players just time to make a move. I will continue to play the games I'm in and hope that some time soon the dust will settle and we can all get back to having fun. That why we all here is to have a good time, with who ever we decided to play with. I am always down to play with any clan team mate or not.

Hope this clears things up the AFOS gave me some great games and I will always appreciate the time spent playing games with all of them.

[gannable]

so you basically confirmed all my suspicions
LOL

where did i criticize the PACK or anyone else who left.

I could care less about anyone else who left the clan. Most of them were useless.

I only had issue with Emmdizzle
and immature ponygal who hijacked my comment.

[gannable]

Here was part of an email sent to ADMIN
I was 100% correct in everything

moral of the story, don't try to pull something over somebody with a memory like mine, and an analytical mind like myself. It was all so obvious the moment I saw that turn


if you want send this to both of them, this is what i think of them


----
Why would Ponygal do this?

Based on circumstantial evidence I believe she's the only one with the access, motivation, and lack of maturity and sanity to perform this mischief.

When I checked the hijacked game this morning and I noticed someone had prematurely taken my turn; at first I thought it was my teammate Ironwood because I've given him my password. It seemed strange that he would take the turn because I had plenty of time left on the clock but that was my first reaction. Note - I was on my work computer at this point.

Yet, something was nagging me so I logged back into my account to look at the game again. This time I noticed the player did not make any reinforcements. In unlimited reinforcements on large maps the winning strategy is to load your teammate.
Then, I saw "gannable" attacks "ironwood" three times... Needlessly to say I was shocked and then I realized someone had hijacked my account. And my first thought was "Ponygal"

And here's why - some background then recent events.

Ponygal has a history at CC in flying off the handle in juvenile tantrums and tirades. About 2-3 yrs ago, she had a meltdown over some childish nonsense and completely wrecked a person's account by taking their turns in games and attacking their teammates (exactly what happened in my game in question)

I believe I may have contributed to her tantrum because in a triples game where das killa, ponygal, and myself were teammates; das killa and I ignored her strategic recommendations because quite frankly neither Killa or I found any logic in her strategy. She responded with a blistering tantrum; yelling about lack of respect and so forth. It was shortly thereafter that she wrecked the other player's account as mentioned in the paragraph above.

So, ADMIN banned her from the website.
Then, months later her membership was restored.

Ponygal joined our clan - AFOS (A Fistful of Sixes) because apparently her and our clanmate Emmdizzle established some romantic connection even though he's from San Diego and she's from Australia. (those facts will be key as you'll see in a moment)

Then, recently Emmdizzle and several others including ponygal abruptly left AFOS and joined a different clan - The Pack.
I found their manner of leaving to be inconsiderate and quite frankly a slap in the face.

So, last night I posted a couple sarcastic comments on Emmdizzle's wall and a game he was playing (ironically for AFOS)

Now consider these facts-
Several months ago, I posted my password in the forum of AFOS. So Emmdizzle and Ponygal had access to my password.
We've established Ponygal has a tendency to engage in immature tirades.
Apparently, for the past couple weeks Ponygal has been visiting Emmdizzle in San Diego. I believe she is still there and they may be getting married.

So, its very possible that ponygal saw my messages to Emmdizzle while using his computer.

Then, she recalls how clever and sneaky she was a couple years ago when she wrecked the other person's account. So, this morning she logs into my account, and makes that dastardly move in my game with Ironwood. Then, for good measure she changes my password. Pretty devious and funny eh, makes me almost wish I was marrying her/........... NOT

Now, Emmdizzle was a person of authority in AFOS. It is very likely he had access to many of our passwords.
Ponygal is at Emmdizzle's home; has access to hsi computer and files; so she decides to wreck havoc on other AFOS members accounts including ironwood, and mageplunka, and vintender.

So, she had access too passwords, she had motivation because she was angry at someone attacking her man, and you've seen what she does at CC when angry.

Oh, almost forgot. Ponygal made this banner for me and linked it to my profile from some outside file sharing account. Sometime this morning, that banner no longer became visible on my profile, it appears to have become a broken link.

All signs point to her. I honestly believe she used Emmdizzle's computer and wrecked all this chaos and I doubt he condoned it.

Check their computer ISP number (or whatever its called), i bet it matches a computer that logged into my account this morning and others at AFOS.

[jltile1]

so you basically confirmed all my suspicions
LOL

where did i criticize the PACK or anyone else who left.

I could care less about anyone else who left the clan. Most of them were useless.

I only had issue with Emmdizzle
and immature ponygal who hijacked my comment.

Yes all suspicions are there you were right pony did it.


Never said you said any thing about the pack but there name got brought in it not by you but others and this has nothing to do with them.

Too say the guys that left were useless is rather funny , then why are you spamming walls ect.
If you think that the guys that left are sub par than that everyone has there own opinion.

Emmdizzle did nothing and pony acted out. That is all I can say I don't live with them so I can't answer for her. But she did let KA know what she did and took full responsibly for it.

[L M S]

Well lets clear the air..

Gannable your right pony made your move in the 2.1 game. You spammed Emmdizzle wall about us leaving the clan with things that she did not agree with, and she took personal. So she acted irrational and took it out on you having access to passwords while Emm was at work. I am not condoning her actions nor yours, you have also left unacceptable chat in my game that you are not a part of. At some point there is a time to let it go Emmdizzle does not play like that and has nothing good to say about the AFOS as do my self.

First off I was leaving after I was told things a clan leader told me in a game chat, that for me was unacceptable. Emmdizzle and some close clan mates have been talking about a move and came up with a decision to make a move. But why knock our decision we waited until the clan wars were over. Another part of the decision was Vin said he was leaving, helping Emm's decision to make a new venture. Then he made other moves but ours was into action already.

The Pack has nothing to do with any of this, only the decision to take on guys that were ready to put there heads to work to win games.

All this being said I have no issues with any AFOS players just time to make a move. I will continue to play the games I'm in and hope that some time soon the dust will settle and we can all get back to having fun. That why we all here is to have a good time, with who ever we decided to play with. I am always down to play with any clan team mate or not.

Hope this clears things up the AFOS gave me some great games and I will always appreciate the time spent playing games with all of them.

One small point to consider...that bolded bit, yeah AFOS still has a war going on...........just sayin'

[gannable]

FYI

here were my comments that caused ponygal to throw a tirade. They were 2 comments, admittedly Ive made a couple commments in emmdizzle's games since the incident but I believe people who immaturely hijack a person's account should be exposed.

So, here is what caused ponygal to get upset

on Emmdizzle stud muffin's wall

1) "We lost so I'm going to quit and find other people to play with"" from gannable

Basically, we got smoked by TOFU so Emmdizzle wanted to quit the clan. Sounds like a real winner to me

in an game played by Emmdizzle
2) "gannable: LOL, so you leave the clan but join clan games while you're in the process of leaving the clan. nah, not a dick move at all. LOL"

12876486

those are the 2 comments that justified ponygal violating my account.

now, JT is correct in one thing. I should drop it. And now I will. I won't bother looking at his games anymore

let me see you be pleasant after someone pulling a stunt like that on you

[jltile1]

Well lets clear the air..

Gannable your right pony made your move in the 2.1 game. You spammed Emmdizzle wall about us leaving the clan with things that she did not agree with, and she took personal. So she acted irrational and took it out on you having access to passwords while Emm was at work. I am not condoning her actions nor yours, you have also left unacceptable chat in my game that you are not a part of. At some point there is a time to let it go Emmdizzle does not play like that and has nothing good to say about the AFOS as do my self.

First off I was leaving after I was told things a clan leader told me in a game chat, that for me was unacceptable. Emmdizzle and some close clan mates have been talking about a move and came up with a decision to make a move. But why knock our decision we waited until the clan wars were over. Another part of the decision was Vin said he was leaving, helping Emm's decision to make a new venture. Then he made other moves but ours was into action already.

The Pack has nothing to do with any of this, only the decision to take on guys that were ready to put there heads to work to win games.

All this being said I have no issues with any AFOS players just time to make a move. I will continue to play the games I'm in and hope that some time soon the dust will settle and we can all get back to having fun. That why we all here is to have a good time, with who ever we decided to play with. I am always down to play with any clan team mate or not.

Hope this clears things up the AFOS gave me some great games and I will always appreciate the time spent playing games with all of them.

One small point to consider...that bolded bit, yeah AFOS still has a war going on...........just sayin'

So what what a year when our mind was made up we left the big war I am in current games and will do what I can to win for them.

[jltile1]

FYI

here were my comments that caused ponygal to throw a tirade. They were 2 comments, admittedly Ive made a couple commments in emmdizzle's games since the incident but I believe people who immaturely hijack a person's account should be exposed.

So, here is what caused ponygal to get upset

on Emmdizzle stud muffin's wall

1) "We lost so I'm going to quit and find other people to play with"" from gannable

Basically, we got smoked by TOFU so Emmdizzle wanted to quit the clan. Sounds like a real winner to me

in an game played by Emmdizzle
2) "gannable: LOL, so you leave the clan but join clan games while you're in the process of leaving the clan. nah, not a dick move at all. LOL"

12876486

those are the 2 comments that justified ponygal violating my account.

now, JT is correct in one thing. I should drop it. And now I will. I won't bother looking at his games anymore

let me see you be pleasant after someone pulling a stunt like that on you

Gannable the clan games were sent we didn't know that we were making the move soon we, or I will play them out.

Nothing is justifying her actions by any means.

You spamming walls and games is pointless.

Yes I would be hot as f*ck if someone did that to me but it was one turn and looks like you got it any way ( not the point )

[gannable]

as i said,

im not spamming his games anymore

aDMIN warned me anyway

I was worked at home today. Wednesday is a goof around day, so i was bored and spammed his games.

i admit it.
im immature

[gannable]

one last request regarding this incident

please
nobody tell ponygal where I live

i don't want her hunting me down with a gun.

I may have to get a new identity and enter witness protection.

please help me


holy crap
im an amateur, no talent, hack writer.
i work on scripts, novels

this is an ideal for a thriller novel
someone psycho chick hunts down a guy who "screwed her and her lover over" on some gaming website. i already have her character down in my head. oh boy, this is going to be great

[Jdsizzleslice]

This is getting pretty heated. Let's lock this before any further damage is done.

[jltile1]

This is getting pretty heated. Let's lock this before any further damage is done.

What damage is being done the truth shall set u free !

[jltile1]

Congratulations to the small vigilante group who went after Emm & got him permanently banned because he had the audacity to change clans. How proud you must be of yourselves right now. Emm didn't mess with anyones account for the record, that was me. I saw the way that he was being treated the last few days (and yes we saw the afos forum posts, thanks to the guys who shat all over his private pm's to them in good faith explaining his reasons for the change & used them as ammunition against him. Emm never hacked anyones account, he was not even aware but I will make no apologies for my actions as the way you, particularly Gannable, treated him for leaving was really cowardly, why not even ask the guy instead of sneaking around bad mouthing him on things you knew nothing about? Jack, mbe & Vin all stepped down as leaders & left him with no replacements to help out, he was seeking to merge with a smaller clan which would have included all of us, however after the negotiation had begun Vin decided he wanted back in & so Emm told him about the plans and though nothing was concrete Vin decided to stay as afos leader & that is why that only some players who had already agreed to a merge switched & afos remains. It was not done maliciously and it was negotiated after all 3 of the other leaders had tended resignation, yet before Vin changed his mind. You all know Emm, he is not at all a hot headed or vindictive guy and I think it is fair to say that he has been supportive of each of you & always treated others with respect & compassion. The same can not be said of how gannable, ironwood & vin have treated him for what was his choice to make. Neither of us can access our cc accounts to even defend what is essentially a witch hunt on him and he has been perma banned for something he had no knowledge of and that I take full responsibility for, he has been tossed from all of his games and freemiumed.
I logged into gannables accnt & played 1 game turn after seeing the guy flaming Emm constantly on everyones walls & all over the forums along with ironwood - it was sheer frustration at them being such bullys to Emm & I am happy to be perma banned as a result, I don't want any part of a group that would treat anyone the way he was treated. He recruited most of the clan, which Vin & Jack actually 'hijacked' & was originally TeeGee & 3A's clan,he brought the top players especially into afos, he rose the clan up from 30 something spot to no1 as was his goal & despite what Vin will have you all believe cl5 is not being jeapordised as we are (*were* til we got banned) playing the turns we were in & doing well, playing in good faith & with no ill will. Unbeknownst to you all Vin & Jack speak very discourteously about clan members behind their backs, it is my opinion from what I have seen that afos members are not valued as people or players, but are used to win games & fuel Vin & Jacks inferiority complexes - the correspondence I have seen was very unflattering on many occasions and to many of you that are actually defending afos leaders which is funny Emm simply was left with too much pressure to run a clan alone, he did at the time what he felt may have been beneficial & then altered his plans slightly when Vin had a change of heart (and let's face it Jack & Vin are constantly throwing tanties & sulking off quitting or throwing some poor guy out of the clan on a sulky childish whim, they have failed to make a lot of the clan feel valued and welcome and appreciated, something I think that Emm really genuinely did & did well). He would never even degend himself, he's a chill 'turn the other cheek' guy, and more man than any of that whiney lil group of afos man-children who ran to big cc mummy & cried foul play despite witch hunting the guy all over the site for a personal decision he had made that had nothing to do with anyone but those involved in the merger, each person was invited as one of Emms friends and was able to make the decision or not according to them. I think that all asked bar 1 were in favour says a lot about the disharmony within the clan perhaps, but this is all just my own view, Emm would not be so harsh.
Thanks to all of the lovely afos members who I have had the privileged of playing with - most of you are absolutely outstanding guys & it has been a pleasure to know you, I wish you all the best in your future endeavours, & I hope that you can forgive that after after Vin came back after changing his mind Emm no longer wished to leave him without a clan, so we had a short list of numbers we were only allowed to now bring over to the merger (to match the pack numbers), so there were ppl we would have loved to have had but felt it was unfair (like I said originally we all would have merged if agreed upon, Emm was under a lot of stress being abandoned by all 3 of the other leadership within such a short space of time and working 10+hr days. One thing I do know about this man is that he has a heart of gold, he would never sabotage anyone or act maliciously, even in defense of himself - but I will, I saw my man being absolutely disrespected and ripped apart by a small group and I reacted. I have seen how much work he has put into the clan, and he didn't deserve that gannable & ironwood, whatever chips you had on your shoulders were your own. Best of luck to everyone, will miss you but I certainly won't miss cc after this nor will he. Pony.

[lanyards]

tl;dr

This is getting pretty heated. Let's lock this before any further damage is done.