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Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge secrets

Postby Iliad on Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:08 am

According to teh man himself in an interview with A Chinese newspaper he managed to have time for. A bizarre thing for him to admit to right now, but quite interesting. Note that this isn't his entire career, but only the latest one he received 3 months ago.


Edward Snowden secured a job with a US government contractor for one reason alone - to obtain evidence of Washington's cyberspying networks, the South China Morning Post can reveal.

For the first time, Snowden has admitted he sought a position at Booz Allen Hamilton so he could collect proof about the US National Security Agency's secret surveillance programmes ahead of planned leaks to the media.

"My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the NSA hacked," he told the Post on June 12. "That is why I accepted that position about three months ago."

During a live global online chat last week, Snowden also stated he took pay cuts "in the course of pursuing specific work". He said: "Booz was not the most I've been paid."

His admission comes as US officials voiced anger at Hong Kong, and indirectly Beijing, after the whistle-blower was allowed to leave the city on Sunday.

Snowden is understood to be heading for Ecuador to seek political asylum with the help of WikiLeaks, which claimed to have secured his safe passage to the South American country.

Snowden, who arrived in Hong Kong on May 20, first contacted documentary maker Laura Poitras in January, claiming to have information about the intelligence community. But it was several months later before Snowden met Poitras and two British reporters in the city.

He spent the time collecting a cache of classified documents as a computer systems administrator at Booz Allen Hamilton.

In his interview with the Post, Snowden divulged information that he claimed showed hacking by the NSA into computers in Hong Kong and the mainland.

"I did not release them earlier because I don't want to simply dump huge amounts of documents without regard to their content," he said.

"I have to screen everything before releasing it to journalists."

Asked if he specifically went to Booz Allen Hamilton to gather evidence of surveillance, he replied: "Correct on Booz."

The documents he divulged to the Post were obtained at Booz Allen Hamilton in April, he said. He intends to leak more of those documents later.

"If I have time to go through this information, I would like to make it available to journalists in each country to make their own assessment, independent of my bias, as to whether or not the knowledge of US network operations against their people should be published."

Two days after Snowden broke cover in Hong Kong as the source of the NSA leaks, Booz Allen Hamilton sacked him.


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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby karel on Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:12 am

yep another reason to hang his ass
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:45 am

Heaven forbid when a citizen reveals a government policy which goes beyond its constitution!
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby karel on Wed Jun 26, 2013 10:55 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Heaven forbid when a citizen reveals a government policy which goes beyond its constitution!



yep here comes all the bleeding hearts,coming to his support
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby Army of GOD on Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:22 am

karel wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Heaven forbid when a citizen reveals a government policy which goes beyond its constitution!



yep here comes all the bleeding hearts,coming to his support


haha I love how anytime anyone supports him to you they're a bleeding heart.

Snowden deserves a fucking medal. I don't think you want to live in a 1984-esque society, right?
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby karel on Wed Jun 26, 2013 11:40 am

Army of GOD wrote:
karel wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Heaven forbid when a citizen reveals a government policy which goes beyond its constitution!



yep here comes all the bleeding hearts,coming to his support


haha I love how anytime anyone supports him to you they're a bleeding heart.

Snowden deserves a fucking medal. I don't think you want to live in a 1984-esque society, right?




so were you live if a 9/11 comes to ur city,ill laugh at you and say "told you so"
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby oVo on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:05 pm

karel wrote:yep another reason to hang his ass

Because all whistle blowers who leak questionable activities
by the American government and military to the press
should be hung.
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby Woodruff on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:06 pm

karel wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Heaven forbid when a citizen reveals a government policy which goes beyond its constitution!


yep here comes all the bleeding hearts,coming to his support


Uh...being an American yourself, you don't agree with the US Constitution?
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby karel on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:13 pm

and when you give info to china and russia,yes you are a traitor
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby Dukasaur on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:16 pm

karel wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
karel wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Heaven forbid when a citizen reveals a government policy which goes beyond its constitution!



yep here comes all the bleeding hearts,coming to his support


haha I love how anytime anyone supports him to you they're a bleeding heart.

Snowden deserves a fucking medal. I don't think you want to live in a 1984-esque society, right?




so were you live if a 9/11 comes to ur city,ill laugh at you and say "told you so"

What the f*ck does snooping on law-abiding citizens have to do with 9/11?
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby nietzsche on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:37 pm

karel wrote:yep another reason to hang his ass


I don't get this position.

I'm trying to put in his place and try to understand, and three options come to mind:

1. Trolling
2. A real personality that "likes" to contradict everything and everyone.
3. A deep real fear off terrorism, feed by propaganda and consuming the person into vividly imagining such fears all the time.


It's as if its not clear enough that it's the intrusive, murderous foreign policy that made the now terrorists start hating the US in the first place.
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby oVo on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:39 pm

karel wrote:and when you give info to china and russia, yes you are a traitor

Do you hang all Google/Facebook employees or just the administrators and CEOs?
and what about all the Corporations and military contractors who share
their technologies abroad, should they be exempt?
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby betiko on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:42 pm

nietzsche wrote:
karel wrote:yep another reason to hang his ass


I don't get this position.

I'm trying to put in his place and try to understand, and three options come to mind:

1. Trolling
2. A real personality that "likes" to contradict everything and everyone.
3. A deep real fear off terrorism, feed by propaganda and consuming the person into vividly imagining such fears all the time.


It's as if its not clear enough that it's the intrusive, murderous foreign policy that made the now terrorists start hating the US in the first place.


Lol well said
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby waauw on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:46 pm

karel wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
karel wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Heaven forbid when a citizen reveals a government policy which goes beyond its constitution!



yep here comes all the bleeding hearts,coming to his support


haha I love how anytime anyone supports him to you they're a bleeding heart.

Snowden deserves a fucking medal. I don't think you want to live in a 1984-esque society, right?




so were you live if a 9/11 comes to ur city,ill laugh at you and say "told you so"


Ever read 1984? The scenario is definitely worse than 9/11
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby oVo on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:51 pm

"It's as if its not clear enough that it's the intrusive, murderous foreign policy that made the now terrorists start hating the US in the first place."
There is a lot of truth in this statement. Insanity is repeating the same actions
and expecting a different result. Example: Israel and Palestine.
Obviously many World leaders are nuts.

Do as I say and not as I do, is not a good foreign policy.
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby nietzsche on Wed Jun 26, 2013 12:53 pm

waauw wrote:
karel wrote:
Army of GOD wrote:
karel wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Heaven forbid when a citizen reveals a government policy which goes beyond its constitution!



yep here comes all the bleeding hearts,coming to his support


haha I love how anytime anyone supports him to you they're a bleeding heart.

Snowden deserves a fucking medal. I don't think you want to live in a 1984-esque society, right?




so were you live if a 9/11 comes to ur city,ill laugh at you and say "told you so"


Ever read 1984? The scenario is definitely worse than 9/11


Not in fox news, sorry.

As I typed my joke, it made me think: perhaps a short movie version of 1984 with Justin Bieber and Selena something or Miley Cyrus should be played on tv at least every week.
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:17 pm

oVo wrote:"It's as if its not clear enough that it's the intrusive, murderous foreign policy that made the now terrorists start hating the US in the first place."
There is a lot of truth in this statement. Insanity is repeating the same actions
and expecting a different result. Example: Israel and Palestine.
Obviously many World leaders are nuts.

Do as I say and not as I do, is not a good foreign policy.


Ron Paul said something like that in the last Republican primary and was roundly criticized (by both sides).
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby Frigidus on Thu Jun 27, 2013 12:57 am

nietzsche wrote:
karel wrote:yep another reason to hang his ass


I don't get this position.

I'm trying to put in his place and try to understand, and three options come to mind:

1. Trolling
2. A real personality that "likes" to contradict everything and everyone.
3. A deep real fear off terrorism, feed by propaganda and consuming the person into vividly imagining such fears all the time.


It's as if its not clear enough that it's the intrusive, murderous foreign policy that made the now terrorists start hating the US in the first place.


You're just not thinking about this the right way. Here, look at these:

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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby muy_thaiguy on Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:06 am

2 things.

1. This guy actively went to work at the NSA in order to do something like this in the first place. That's a big red flag to me. And then he is going to reveal more classified info over a period of time. Quite possibly enabling actual terrorists, or at the very least it would give them a chance to head underground. As well as alerting China to US hacking them (though honestly, not surprised by that).

2. I do however, see the 1984 parallels, don't get me wrong. But this sort of thing I thought was already public knowledge (government keeping an eye on phones, e-mails, etc), and am somewhat surprised that so many people on here (usually so well informed) were either ignorant of it, or not completely aware of what the Patriot Act enabled (constitutional or otherwise).

So while I don't like what the Patriot Act enables the Federal Government to do, the fact that Snowden had this sort of thing as his goal all along and fleeing the country before releasing info (and to Hong Kong/China first), honestly is not very encouraging to me.
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:20 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:2 things.

1. This guy actively went to work at the NSA in order to do something like this in the first place. That's a big red flag to me.


If he suspected it was the case that the government was violating the Constitution, and wanted to prove it...wouldn't that be the method for doing so?

muy_thaiguy wrote:2. I do however, see the 1984 parallels, don't get me wrong. But this sort of thing I thought was already public knowledge (government keeping an eye on phones, e-mails, etc), and am somewhat surprised that so many people on here (usually so well informed) were either ignorant of it, or not completely aware of what the Patriot Act enabled (constitutional or otherwise).


It was never "publicly proven" prior to this. It was essentially known, and it certainly had been stated previously (see the other threads on Snowden for that), but the difference here is the proof of the activities rather than just the statements.

muy_thaiguy wrote:So while I don't like what the Patriot Act enables the Federal Government to do, the fact that Snowden had this sort of thing as his goal all along and fleeing the country before releasing info (and to Hong Kong/China first), honestly is not very encouraging to me.


You would rather he stayed here and received the full brunt of his (possibly literally) own execution?
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby nietzsche on Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:22 am

muy_thaiguy wrote:2 things.

1. This guy actively went to work at the NSA in order to do something like this in the first place. That's a big red flag to me. And then he is going to reveal more classified info over a period of time. Quite possibly enabling actual terrorists, or at the very least it would give them a chance to head underground. As well as alerting China to US hacking them (though honestly, not surprised by that).

2. I do however, see the 1984 parallels, don't get me wrong. But this sort of thing I thought was already public knowledge (government keeping an eye on phones, e-mails, etc), and am somewhat surprised that so many people on here (usually so well informed) were either ignorant of it, or not completely aware of what the Patriot Act enabled (constitutional or otherwise).

So while I don't like what the Patriot Act enables the Federal Government to do, the fact that Snowden had this sort of thing as his goal all along and fleeing the country before releasing info (and to Hong Kong/China first), honestly is not very encouraging to me.



You are moving the spotlight from what the government is doing to Snowden. Make him the villain, what the US government is doing is not the important part at all. The US government needs more support, can't take care of itself, Snowden doesn't need any help.


This thing has to be stopped, you have to realize all the illegal things that can and will be done with the information of private citizens, it won't be only used to prevent terrorism, it will be used by personal interest as well.

Why can the US government bend the law in its favor, and why can't we, the people, represented in this case by Snowden go against the law for a far greater and loftier goal?
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby Juan_Bottom on Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:15 am

Can someone explain to me exactly what the NSA is doing to us?

Every time I tried to find out for myself, the articles that I read were always vague, like our journalists don't even know what they're writing about. What understanding that I have is that the NSA has been compiling worldwide data for a decade in order to find patterns in cyberspace that show terrorist activity is happening. They don't read private emails or facebook chat anything unless they believe that there's a terrorist there. To me, I could not care less that they do that, and it makes sense to do that.
And then the other thing was that they also hack our freinemie's routers and such in order to find out their war secrets? I don't really care about that either though.
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Postby Haggis_McMutton on Thu Jun 27, 2013 3:31 am

nietzsche wrote:
karel wrote:yep another reason to hang his ass


I don't get this position.

I'm trying to put in his place and try to understand, and three options come to mind:

1. Trolling
2. A real personality that "likes" to contradict everything and everyone.
3. A deep real fear off terrorism, feed by propaganda and consuming the person into vividly imagining such fears all the time.


It's as if its not clear enough that it's the intrusive, murderous foreign policy that made the now terrorists start hating the US in the first place.


This guy hasn't addressed one argument against his idiotic position, so he's basically become the political equivalent of those clowns in the god thread.

Probably best to ignore his "USA #1 USA #1 USA #1" outbursts by now.
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Re: Snowden took a NSA job on purpose to get and divulge sec

Postby saxitoxin on Thu Jun 27, 2013 4:07 am

Juan_Bottom wrote:Can someone explain to me exactly what the NSA is doing to us?

Every time I tried to find out for myself, the articles that I read were always vague, like our journalists don't even know what they're writing about. What understanding that I have is that the NSA has been compiling worldwide data for a decade in order to find patterns in cyberspace that show terrorist activity is happening. They don't read private emails or facebook chat anything unless they believe that there's a terrorist there. To me, I could not care less that they do that, and it makes sense to do that.


Previously, if one was suspected of a crime, the police could get a warrant to start monitoring your phone calls.

Now, the police can get a warrant to comb through every phone call you've made since the age of 12 in the archived dossiers now being kept on every citizen. Everyone has something in their past for which they can be indicted. And if someone becomes politically annoying, now it can be retrieved. The NSA is under no obligation to limit access to the citizen loyalty dossiers for prosecution only of exotic crimes like terrorism.

In Heinlein's novel "Methuselah" he told how the religious oligarchy running the US avoided prosecuting people for small crimes. Having dirt on people was valuable for use as a cudgel by prosecutors if someone got uppity.

I feel safe in saying, though, that you're loyal enough to the regime that you have nothing to worry about. The regime needs a mindlessly loyal cheering section to shout down the cries of horror when it leads political dissidents like Manning, Awlawki and Snowden to the gallows, and to snitch on disloyal neighbors. Fingermen.
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