A Darker Shade of Black Mafia [6/14] Endgame:Rebuilding

[jonty125]

Hmm, in the scene saf is described as pure light, but his role is translucent light.

[Iron Butterfly]

Hmm, in the scene saf is described as pure light, but his role is translucent light.

And?......

[jonty125]

Hmm, in the scene saf is described as pure light, but his role is translucent light.

And?......

Well they are different things. Pure light, would be 'white light'. But translucent light, I'm not even sure if that is possible. Because if an OBJECT is (optically translucent, if you want to be techincal) translucent it partially lets through light. And light is a wave (we think, lets think of it like a wave, it makes things so much simpler). Now light cannot be described as translucent as we judge if something is translucent by whether light passes through it. It's like entering a pie, into a competition. There is an apple pie, steak pie and a pie pie. What is a pie pie? Is it possible? It definitely isn't an apple pie, which is the crux of my argument.

[strike wolf]

This argument is coming in a game where we've had a confirmed character who was A Darker Shade of Black. You must also consider that it's a mod confirmed role so why are we arguing it?

I will have to reread before I can make up a decision on who to vote for. I haven't really gotten any good reads so far in this game to be frank.

[jonty125]

This argument is coming in a game where we've had a confirmed character who was A Darker Shade of Black. You must also consider that it's a mod confirmed role so why are we arguing it?

I will have to reread before I can make up a decision on who to vote for. I haven't really gotten any good reads so far in this game to be frank.

True that.

[anamainiacks]

Hmmm, it's pretty amazing that aage's fakeclaim was the exact role that safari was given though... Wondering if that has any implications. 'Translucent Light' is not exactly a term you'd make up. But either way both of them are now dead, so...

[rishaed]

Since very little discussion is going on the Deadline is next wednesday EST

[gregwolf121]

okay well it took me longer than i thought but i finally got around to rereading the posts, as i said in my last post of the 8 players left alive 3 can reasonably said to be town, myself as claimed cop, IB is the doc, and i investigated SW last night and found him innocent, so that leaves five unknowns, Jonty125, Anamainiacks, Edocsil, StubbsKVM, TheForgivenOne. that being said i focused on their posts as i reread, i didn't find much but i'll post what i got.
I'm going to use spoilers so that this isn't a super long wall of text post, that and it helps to keep things organized.

first Edocsil

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You act like this recent trend is unusual but an inactive wagon happens on 90% of day ones since Ive gotten here. They usually last until a more meaningful case appears or someone decides to vote one of the bandwagoners. Sometimes they do end up as the case du Jour and honestly the response DJ gave wasnt suffucient. Now Imnot that big on the case either but I have yet to see reason deter it or a case to make on someone else.

It's not. But I've got a role this time around that allows me to be aggressive in inflicting my opinions.

this is either softclaiming a power role cause he has one, or softclaiming one because hes a VT and is trying to get himself NK, like a good VT
Then on the Doomyoshi case

I do not support a doom lynch. The idea wasn't that bad, and it was a unique and discussion provoking suggestion. It just isn't realistic to pursue.

Yeah, anyone who was not keen on hanging Doom is on the chopping block today IMO. Sadly I am one of the folks he spent a lot of time defending him D2

i can see this going either way, hes either mafia trying to cover up defending doom, or hes town and he thought doom was too, im more inclined to believe that hes town as the case on doom was weak, and i too thought he was town,
all in all, im not sure about edoc, he could still be either IMO

next stubbs

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on day 1 stubbs aggressively pursued the dj case to the exclusion of all else

unvote, vote DJ

Looks like someone's lurking.

I'm sticking with my DJ vote. Only pops in when under pressure.

Stubbz, since DJ has been under pressure for 100% of the game, how can you say that as a reason?

Only after the votes were piling up, he came in and posted.
If everybody thinks: day 1 is just random, let's not post, how are you ever going to find mafia?

So you don't think it's weird that as soon as people start voting him, he immediately reacts?

then as we all know during night 1 dj ends up dead, now it could be that stubbs is scum and used the nk to take out dj, except the wording of the night scene suggest that the SK killed dj, so i'm more inclined to believe that the SK was trying to set stubbs up.
after day 1 stubbs hasn't really posted much, so as to him being mafia i can't say, it could still go either way

Third Jonty

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Jonty has been one of the first to join every bandwagon in this game
first the dj wagon

unvote vote dj for submarining. No posts since confirming.

He's the one that fits the bill unvote, vote DJfireside

then the neb wagon

unvote, vote Nebp his posts have been all over the shop.

then dooms wagon

vote DoomYoshi for his strawmanning on aage.

and finally the aage wagon

and now vote aage


As a thought, what would IB have done if his hexadecimal was required? Bright white.

jonty was the second to vote on every wagon except nebs in which he was the third to join
also i will point out that jonty didn't unvote on the doom wagon, so im inclined to believe that he is town

next TFO

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If I had to guess from the flavor of the scene with the swallowing and the other one (Dj) being killed. I'm thinking we may be looking at a cult+SK set up.

I'm tending to lean towards the Cult moreso.

TBH if there is as little town power as it seams and we have a cult and SK we may as well throw in the hat.

At first this seems like you are softing VT, but you wouldn't do that (meta argument).

So does this mean you are the first recruited? I am willing to find out.

vote edoc

I have to agree here. Do you have any proof town has no power roles? A person giving up on town isn't helpful to town at all.

theres not much from TFO, mostly been quiet and has posted much of note, the only thing i found was that he advocated the idea of there being a cult in the game, it could have been a ploy to get town to focus on finding a cult recruiter and to leave the mafia alone, but i find it unlikely, all in all not sure what i think of TFO

finally anamainiacks

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as with TFO not a whole lot of posts/not much to go on, though i would like the following clarified

I don't get why Doom's plan requires the whole bote thing. Nothing says we can't just vote the people the normal way to apply the color pressure. Also, nothing in the original scene says the penalty is automatically death. It could be lost powers or lost votes or something. It's just implied that the consequences will be bad. How exactly are you coming up with death as the punishment Doom?

Are you willing to test it?

What good would that do us if it tells us nothing about the alignment of a player when the penalty is dealt? We still won't have a clue whether the player is a townie, mafia, or SK. What's more, in the situation where we mistakenly target a townie - if we lose his vote, the mafia gets a stronger voting majority; if he loses his powers, we have no way to confirm his claim at night. The risk is too high.

Well really, I suppose the idea being that Doom has asserted all along that the penalty for breaking the rule is death. That's basically why he pushed the bote plan. What I'm saying is that it was never made explicit that the penalty is death. It's all just ambiguously "bad" things will happen. But somehow, Doom is sure that it's death.

So I'm volunteering to break the rule and see if I die. If I don't die, I'm going to vote Doom because his plan and interpretation of the rule all day has been rule break=death. Which means LAL and makes that as good a lynch reason as we've had all day.

This kinda sounds like a passive aggressive way to make sure we lynch Doom... And it raises my eyebrows as to whether that might actually be your agenda. Like Doom pointed out, this means that regardless of what happens to the colour namer, Doom must be lynched.

The way I see it, if the rulebreaker dies, then Doom is SK because he was way too sure about the effects of the rule. If the rulebreaker doesn't die, then Doom was just extremely foolish in assuming it resulted in death; no implications on alignment, and still could be any of the 3 (town, mafia, SK).

Like edoc and SW both mentioned, Doom's plan wasn't actually bad.

Well, it looks like the Yoshi's lynch is inevitable, with the time left on the clock. I personally still don't think he's scum though - his plan, though gamebreaking, was a good one and did make sense - so I'm abstaining from the vote. But of course, WCS we lynch a VT.

in the first quote it seems that ana is questioning dooms plan, and saying that it won't work/that it is a bad idea, then in the second quote says dooms plan wasn't bad, and in the third says the plan was a good one and that it made sense,
to me the second and third posts say the opposite of what was said in the first, so ana clarify this if you would

once again sorry it took so long, as to who i think is scum and who is town, im not 100% sure on any of them, from most likely to be town to most likely to be scum i'd say the order is jonty, stubbs, edoc, TFO, ana.
i won't vote yet, as i'd like to hear others opinions, and i want some answers then ill decide who to vote for

[TheForgivenOne]

I do want to apologize for my basically no posting on d2. Doom's whole "Bote" thing was just confusing me beyond anything. I can't remember my reasoning for leaning towards cult (Herpdaderp), I might have been mixing this game up with the D&D game. I think it might have been the whole "darker shade" think made me think cult. Cult be shady.

I will try to recap my thoughts tomorrow, as I'm busy all day today. I wanted to explain my reasoning for quietness for d2.

[anamainiacks]

in the first quote it seems that ana is questioning dooms plan, and saying that it won't work/that it is a bad idea, then in the second quote says dooms plan wasn't bad, and in the third says the plan was a good one and that it made sense,
to me the second and third posts say the opposite of what was said in the first, so ana clarify this if you would

Sure, I'll clarify (: (If everyone doesn't mind, I won't quote the quotes themselves - they're rather long, so I hope people don't mind just scrolling 2 posts up.)

In my first post you quoted, I was questioning Yoshi's response to saf's - i.e. whether we should still test the system if all that resulted from it was the loss of powers. For the reasons mentioned, I don't think it would've been advisable.

In my second and third posts, I was referring to Yoshi's plan as it was initially presented - a way through which we could have had multiple lynches without night coming into play, assuming the penalty for the colour mention was indeed death. Many 'days' with no nights (when mafia and SKs rule)? Yep, seemed like a good plan, in essence.

The assumption through which Yoshi decided that rulebreakers would be punished by death and not anything else, I felt was a separate matter that I did address as well in the second post, saying,

The way I see it, if the rulebreaker dies, then Doom is SK because he was way too sure about the effects of the rule. If the rulebreaker doesn't die, then Doom was just extremely foolish in assuming it resulted in death; no implications on alignment, and still could be any of the 3 (town, mafia, SK)."

[rishaed]

Due to large amounts of inactivity I have prodded everyone. This game is around halfway done, so please finish it without being harsh.

[strike wolf]

Havent finished rereading. Out of the cases gregg posted, if I had to vote, i would probably choose Jonty from that list but none of them seem overly compelling.

[gregwolf121]

well i'd still like to hear from everybody else before we decide who to lynch so i'm basically waiting for others to share their opinions

[TheForgivenOne]

Havent finished rereading. Out of the cases gregg posted, if I had to vote, i would probably choose Jonty from that list but none of them seem overly compelling.

I agree with SW. We have not much to go on, Jonty seems like the best vote to me. Seems overeager to jump the BW's.

[jonty125]

I wasn't looking to join wagons for the sake of it, because they were the best cases at time of print.

[StubbsKVM]

I don't really have much to go on. And I'm still terribly busy at work.
Edoc is the one that bothers me most tbh. Especially this:

Yeah, anyone who was not keen on hanging Doom is on the chopping block today IMO. Sadly I am one of the folks he spent a lot of time defending him D2

Looks very forced.

[jonty125]

I don't really have much to go on. And I'm still terribly busy at work.
Edoc is the one that bothers me most tbh. Especially this:

Yeah, anyone who was not keen on hanging Doom is on the chopping block today IMO. Sadly I am one of the folks he spent a lot of time defending him D2

Looks very forced.

Would you volunteer with glee, a lead to follow which points to yourself?

[edocsil]

I don't really have much to go on. And I'm still terribly busy at work.
Edoc is the one that bothers me most tbh. Especially this:

Yeah, anyone who was not keen on hanging Doom is on the chopping block today IMO. Sadly I am one of the folks he spent a lot of time defending him D2

Looks very forced.

Tbh I personally think the best course could easily been seen to hang folks who supported Doom. I was really hoping someone of those few would say something particularly dumb so I could make a case vs them that is stronger than the identical argument verse me.

[Iron Butterfly]

vote jonty

two out of 5 are mafia. Im going with the odds and the the circumstantial evidence.

[edocsil]

I'll follow the Doc

Vote jonty.

Also to clarify, he was not one of the ones voting DY, hence vote.

[gregwolf121]

vote DoomYoshi for his strawmanning on aage.

edoc jonty did vote for doom, he was the second to do so,

[edocsil]

vote DoomYoshi for his strawmanning on aage.

edoc jonty did vote for doom, he was the second to do so,

I went back to look before voting, and assumed that was why IB placed his vote, and I didn't see his name on the appropriate VCs. Could you link the vote for me, and a page number so I could see some context too?

I'm taking another look for the vote too

[edocsil]

Ugg. Found it right away. IB what was the circumstantial evidence you were referring to?

[Iron Butterfly]

vote DoomYoshi for his strawmanning on aage.

edoc jonty did vote for doom, he was the second to do so,

I went back to look before voting, and assumed that was why IB placed his vote, and I didn't see his name on the appropriate VCs. Could you link the vote for me, and a page number so I could see some context too?

I'm taking another look for the vote too

First unvote jonty and vote Edocscil

I voted jonty and I overlooked his doom vote. I figured Id get the ball rolling vote wise. You certianly jumped on jonty real quick without doing the research. In fact I have never known you to acknowledge anything in agreement with me so quickly if at all in a mafia game.

the circumstantial part I referring to was his vote history. Now I will admit I have done some dumb things impulsively and the jonty vote may be one.

I do find it fishy that you are asking people to do your homework for you. I think you followed me because you knew I was wrong and now your trying to cover your ass *grin*. My impression of you is that you really are trying very hard...

[edocsil]

Go f*ck yourself? Your entire shitty argument is a troll. I've been drinking so this about the best argument your going to get out of me.

Sue me, I thought the one fucking confirmed townie back from the dead did his homework. Statistically, if you name people at random and we hang them town is likely to win. If you do better than random, the odds are really in out favor.