This why the U.S needs to get rid of guns.

[SaviorShot]

It is your god giving right to own an posess firearms. Gun owners are some of the most responsible an hard working people around. Everyone I kno that owns one or more gets up an goes to work everyday & pays the bills & taxes. Not to mention law abiding citizens. The beauty of the 2nd amendmant is that you wont need it until they try an take it. With all the theift an corruption in our government ppl wanna cry about guns. We need to arrest the banksters an prosicute them just like Iceland did. The 2nd amendmant protects theother ones. We will enter a depession sooner or later. It will make the one in 1913 look like childs play. People will starve an when human beings become hungry they get violent. An what part of shall no be infringed do u people not get. Molon Labe. Come & take it!

Gun laws only affect the ones that follow them in the first place. U think all the gang bangers are gonna turn in there weapons as well. I dont think so.

Its time to tak our country back. Lead follow or get the hell outta the way! The battle right now is at the election poles. Lets hope it doesn't go further than that. For my kids an futuee grand kids sake

Know guns . Know saftey . No guns . No safety

[2dimes]

I am all for eliminating guns. Just as I am in favour of having $7 billion and an airplane. I just don't believe they are as easy to achieve as complete invisibility from drinking a potion.

[chang50]

I am all for eliminating guns. Just as I am in favour of having $7 billion and an airplane. I just don't believe they are as easy to achieve as complete invisibility from drinking a potion.

You can't undo decades of stupid policy overnight,but giving up is hardly an option either.

[SaviorShot]

Stalin an hitler took the guns. U see how that went =] u 2 would be the first to go running to a fema camp.

The lessons we learned are wrote on the tombstone of others

[Symmetry]

Stalin an hitler took the guns. U see how that went =] u 2 would be the first to go running to a fema camp.

The lessons we learned are wrote on the tombstone of others

One of the Nazi's first acts was of course to relax gun laws passed during the Weimar republic. Apologies if that doesn't fit your narrative.

[notyou2]

Back to original post. The lady said she had a gun for protection from rape. I did not find her appealing at all. Not sure who would want to rape her.
Mayor Ford perhaps?

[Symmetry]

Back to original post. The lady said she had a gun for protection from rape. I did not find her appealing at all. Not sure who would want to rape her.
Mayor Ford perhaps?

Splinter Cell

Is that how you want to go out?
Hiding like a little bitch!?!

You are a shining light in this debate.

[thegreekdog]

I am all for eliminating guns. Just as I am in favour of having $7 billion and an airplane. I just don't believe they are as easy to achieve as complete invisibility from drinking a potion.

You can't undo decades of stupid policy overnight,but giving up is hardly an option either.

Decades? I think more like 300 years. Which makes me wonder what gun violence was like in the 18th and 19th centuries. Probably not as big a problem as it is now. And that makes me wonder why (rhetorically of course).

[Symmetry]

I am all for eliminating guns. Just as I am in favour of having $7 billion and an airplane. I just don't believe they are as easy to achieve as complete invisibility from drinking a potion.

You can't undo decades of stupid policy overnight,but giving up is hardly an option either.

Decades? I think more like 300 years. Which makes me wonder what gun violence was like in the 18th and 19th centuries. Probably not as big a problem as it is now. And that makes me wonder why (rhetorically of course).

I think there might have been a bit of gun violence in America during the 19th century dude (civilly of course).

[Metsfanmax]

We start with the premise that criminals who obtain guns, either obtain them illegally (likely) or obtain them with intent to use them illegally. In other words, criminals are breaking the law. If you pass a law banning guns, why would that law have any effect on those same criminals when current laws don't have any effect on them?

Many criminals use guns that were obtained legally (either by themselves or a friend/family member). These people would have significantly less access to guns if they were heavily restricted.

[notyou2]

Back to original post. The lady said she had a gun for protection from rape. I did not find her appealing at all. Not sure who would want to rape her.
Mayor Ford perhaps?

Splinter Cell

Is that how you want to go out?
Hiding like a little bitch!?!

You are a shining light in this debate.

You don't even know what the original post was about judging from your above comment. The OP asked a question, the debate on a different subject than the OP happened later. I'm sorry that I do not conform to your preconceived ideas of who is allowed to post and what topics they are allowed to post on.

I was simply asking a question.

[Symmetry]

Back to original post. The lady said she had a gun for protection from rape. I did not find her appealing at all. Not sure who would want to rape her.
Mayor Ford perhaps?

Splinter Cell

Is that how you want to go out?
Hiding like a little bitch!?!

You are a shining light in this debate.

You don't even know what the original post was about judging from your above comment. The OP asked a question, the debate on a different subject than the OP happened later. I'm sorry that I do not conform to your preconceived ideas of who is allowed to post and what topics they are allowed to post on.

I was simply asking a question.

I withdraw all my comments and apologise for in any way suggesting that you made a comment about how rape-worthy the woman was, and apologise again for posting the text that you consider to be your signature, which does not contain any misogynistic language at all, and is in no way related towards your attitude toward women related to the rest of your post.

Is that ok?

[notyou2]

Back to original post. The lady said she had a gun for protection from rape. I did not find her appealing at all. Not sure who would want to rape her.
Mayor Ford perhaps?

Splinter Cell

Is that how you want to go out?
Hiding like a little bitch!?!

You are a shining light in this debate.

You don't even know what the original post was about judging from your above comment. The OP asked a question, the debate on a different subject than the OP happened later. I'm sorry that I do not conform to your preconceived ideas of who is allowed to post and what topics they are allowed to post on.

I was simply asking a question.

I withdraw all my comments and apologise for in any way suggesting that you made a comment about how rape-worthy the woman was, and apologise again for posting the text that you consider to be your signature, which does not contain any misogynistic language at all, and is in no way related towards your attitude toward women related to the rest of your post.

Is that ok?

Life's a bitch eh Sym?

[thegreekdog]

We start with the premise that criminals who obtain guns, either obtain them illegally (likely) or obtain them with intent to use them illegally. In other words, criminals are breaking the law. If you pass a law banning guns, why would that law have any effect on those same criminals when current laws don't have any effect on them?

Many criminals use guns that were obtained legally (either by themselves or a friend/family member). These people would have significantly less access to guns if they were heavily restricted.

How would you heavily restrict them? I ask that in the context of the illegality of obtaining guns and giving/selling them to criminals.

As I indicated above, the only solution is to ban all guns (including police and military) and confiscate and destroy all existing guns. Otherwise, you're just creating more laws that will be broken by people who want to use guns for criminal activty (hey, just like they are now!)

EDIT - I'm looking for data now but my firm's firewall does not let me go to websites talking about guns.

In any event, a 1991 study I actually had access to (from the US Department of Justice) indicates that a survey of state prison inmantes indicates that 9% had acquired a handgun by theft and 28% had acquired a handgun through an illegal market. Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns.

In a study of four states (from the same DOJ paper), more than 50% of inmantes had stolen a gun at least once in their lives. The study concluded that theft and burglary were the original, not always the proximate, source of many guns acquired by juveniles.

So, again, unless we ban and destroy all guns, how are more laws restricting gun ownership going to stop criminals from getting guns when they already steal them?

[Symmetry]

As I indicated above, the only solution is to ban all guns (including police and military) and confiscate and destroy all existing guns.

This is almost as great as the time when you said that you didn't subscribe to the idea that gay marriage destroys marriage, but you just didn't want straight marriages recognised by the government anymore.

[notyou2]

You seem to want to change the entire world.

Please describe Symtopia.

[Symmetry]

You seem to want to change the entire world.

Please describe Symtopia.

Can I say that is has reasonable gun control and government recognition of gay marriage? No offence to TGD. Perhaps even a society where people don't judge how rape-worthy women are. No offence notyou2.

It's a start, right?

[notyou2]

Would everyone be wearing bubble wrap too?

[thegreekdog]

reasonable gun control

What does Symtopia's reasonable gun control look like?

[Symmetry]

reasonable gun control

What does Symtopia's reasonable gun control look like?

Does this mean you're onboard now with government recognition of gay marriage?

[thegreekdog]

reasonable gun control

What does Symtopia's reasonable gun control look like?

Does this mean you're onboard now with government recognition of gay marriage?

What does Symtopia's reasonable gun control look like?

[#1_stunna]

These threads crack me up....

On a positive note....I just got another pistol!

i like you, KB.

[Symmetry]

reasonable gun control

What does Symtopia's reasonable gun control look like?

Does this mean you're onboard now with government recognition of gay marriage?

What does Symtopia's reasonable gun control look like?

Show me your answer and I'll show you mine.

[thegreekdog]

reasonable gun control

What does Symtopia's reasonable gun control look like?

Does this mean you're onboard now with government recognition of gay marriage?

What does Symtopia's reasonable gun control look like?

Show me your answer and I'll show you mine.

I'll wait for Mets to reply to how to implement reasonable gun control. Your response, which I suspect will ultimately never come no matter what hoops I jump through (given past experience), is not worth it in any event.

[thegreekdog]

Heck, let's open it up to the group... what is your gun control method of choice that you believe will solve most (or all) of the problems with gun violence in the US?

I've given my full-proof plan (ban guns for all, including police and military, and destroy all guns) and my slightly less insane plan (legalize drugs) which would not be full proof (it would not solve people shooting themselves in the foot by accident.