This why the U.S needs to get rid of guns.

[thegreekdog]

Just stupid, why is this politician even a politician???

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer ... 6797948780

Worry about your own country. Our rights are none of your business.

As if you and other Americans restrict their comments only to their own country.You had shitloads to say about the Breivik shootings in Norway (not USA) remember?As well as being unenforceable such self censorship would result in an extremely boring INTERNATIONAL forum.Someone from a small country like Andorra or San Marino where relatively little happens of great importance would effectively be prohibited from posting.You see this is not America's planet and bullies don't get to make all the rules.

You're correct Chang; this isn't "America's planet" but the fact remains that we're the "big brother" of the world.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 ... uperpower/

All indisputable,I only wish more of your countrymen weren't such bullies and hypocrites.Maybe this is an inevitable consequence og being 'big brother'?

I do wish sometimes that we could be like other countries that have no bullies or hypocrits.

[PLAYER57832]

For the past 10 years I've been living in China, no guns here either..so now I advocate the banning of guns. Society is safer overall, it's a fact.

China... yeah there is a bastion of freedom all nations should follow.....NOT!!!!

I think you just did more to explain why we might need guns than why we don't.... and that comes from someone who often blasts a few here for claiming that guns make us freer.

The problem with these statistics (which I think you understand) is that they are garnered in a world where someone can purchase a gun legally and then commit the crime. Does making the gun illegal result in a decrease in the amount of gun violence because the criminal will then not be able to purchase the gun? In other words, making gun ownership more restrictive should not result in less gun violence because criminals will still attempt to and succeed in getting firearms. The only option to prevent criminals from getting guns is to destroy them all (a situation I would be okay with).

Of course making guns illegal will result in a decrease in the amount of gun violence, because there simply won't be as many around. Some criminals are indeed well-connected and could easily purchase a gun, even in a world where they're illegal and the supply has diminished substantially. But many are not -- they are poor, or are from a wealthy suburban neighborhood and don't have those kind of contacts -- and so there's a good chance that if the supply is substantially diminished, many of them simply will not have access to a firearm. Again, I urge you (and everyone else) to stop thinking in terms of black and white. Not every criminal is the same, and not every crime is the same. We shouldn't be judging the success or failure of a gun control policy on whether it stops every gun crime.

The real problem is outlawing guns does nothing to stop people from obaining violant killing instruments. Frankly, in the scheme of things, I would far prefer a gunman even with a semi-automatic to a bomber. If nohting else, it tends to be cleaner and most (not all) of the deaths quicker.

[mrswdk]

I have not seen evidence that making a thing illegal reduces the supply sufficiently for criminals to not have access

That doesn't mean you can't greatly reduce the supply, thereby greatly reducing access (e.g. the situation with guns in many other countries).

China... yeah there is a bastion of freedom all nations should follow.....NOT!!!!

It's not as bad here as people on the outside like to make out (unless you're a rural peasant, but then who gives a crap, amirite?).

I think you just did more to explain why we might need guns than why we don't

Haha, yeah. If you didn't have guns you'd be under authoritarian rule in a heartbeat. Thank God that when the drones come over the horizon, Mr Schneider across the road will have his gun to start taking pot-shots at them with.

I would far prefer a gunman even with a semi-automatic to a bomber

So we're assuming that if you take away all the firearms, criminals who use guns will all switch to bombs?

More complacency?

I think the author knows what's coming and is just kicking out at it.

[Symmetry]

/quote]The real problem is outlawing guns does nothing to stop people from obaining violant killing instruments.

It kind of does, no? It makes it illegal to purchase types of them.

[Gweeedo]

I can understand why some (if not all) outsiders think the U.S. should get rid of guns.
Leave our guns alone!
Guns, America, America, Guns...don't you get it!
America is Guns. That is what separates us from the rest of the world.
You can not separate America and Guns.
Just the way it is and will always be...try to except it (you don't have to like it).

Quote:I only wish more of your countrymen weren't such bullies and hypocrites.Maybe this is an inevitable consequence og being 'big brother'? end quote

Maybe.
Meanwhile other country's can suck off America while having us continue policing the world.

[Symmetry]

I can understand why some (if not all) outsiders think the U.S. should get rid of guns.
Leave our guns alone!
Guns, America, Gun, America...don't you get it!
America is Guns. That is what separates us from the rest of the world.
You can not separate America and Guns.
Just the way it is and will always be...try to except it (you don't have to like it).

Quote:I only wish more of your countrymen weren't such bullies and hypocrites.Maybe this is an inevitable consequence og being 'big brother'? end quote

Maybe.
Meanwhile other country's can suck off America while having us continue policing the world.

The plural of "country" is "countries", idiot.

[AslanTheKing]

thats right gweeedo,
this is your language and your spelling,
even i ( german writing - speaking - reading ) know the plural of country is countries - you idiot,
i hope you dont posses a gun,
the plural of gun is gunies - you idiot,
have you ever watched goonies ?
thats more than the plural form, thats even more




just for your information

[Symmetry]

thats right gweeedo,
this is your language and your spelling,
even i ( german writing - speaking - reading ) know the plural of country is countries - you idiot,
i hope you dont posses a gun,
the plural of gun is gunies - you idiot,
just for your information

I don't speak German though- World War 2 sorted that one out, mate.

[AslanTheKing]

thats right gweeedo,
this is your language and your spelling,
even i ( german writing - speaking - reading ) know the plural of country is countries - you idiot,
i hope you dont posses a gun,
the plural of gun is gunies - you idiot,
just for your information

I don't speak German though- World War 2 sorted that one out, mate.

no worries
obama speaks german
and John F. Kennedy did too
and Sandra Bullocks ( she plays on this site) bullocks
...... and more

[Symmetry]

thats right gweeedo,
this is your language and your spelling,
even i ( german writing - speaking - reading ) know the plural of country is countries - you idiot,
i hope you dont posses a gun,
the plural of gun is gunies - you idiot,
just for your information

I don't speak German though- World War 2 sorted that one out, mate.

no worries
obama speaks german
and John F. Kennedy did too
and Sandra Bullocks ( she plays on this site) bullocks
...... and more

Ah, well. if Sandra Bullocks speaks German, I should clearly learn.

[codeblue1018]

Just stupid, why is this politician even a politician???

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer ... 6797948780

Worry about your own country. Our rights are none of your business.

As if you and other Americans restrict their comments only to their own country.You had shitloads to say about the Breivik shootings in Norway (not USA) remember?As well as being unenforceable such self censorship would result in an extremely boring INTERNATIONAL forum.Someone from a small country like Andorra or San Marino where relatively little happens of great importance would effectively be prohibited from posting.You see this is not America's planet and bullies don't get to make all the rules.

You're correct Chang; this isn't "America's planet" but the fact remains that we're the "big brother" of the world.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 ... uperpower/

All indisputable,I only wish more of your countrymen weren't such bullies and hypocrites.Maybe this is an inevitable consequence og being 'big brother'?

Bullies and hypocrites are located in all four corners of the world mate; no more here in the USA than in other places.

[codeblue1018]

One thing that won't change is the United States Constitution, which allows us citizens to keep and bear arms. There has been leaps of changes to try and prevent violence in regards to gun legislation but like with anything, things fall trough the cracks and unfortunately, people are injured and/or killed as a result. Fact of the matter remains that people are safer and gun related incidents are down significantly as a whole. One thing is clear, one injury or death as a result of guns is too many; what is the solution aside from what some people call for in banning guns? I don't have a clue. Laws are implemented daily to curve the violence even more so, and hopefully, the trend of violence will continue to decline. Like with drugs, since they are illegal, the inventory and demand only continues to rise.

[AslanTheKing]

thats right gweeedo,
this is your language and your spelling,
even i ( german writing - speaking - reading ) know the plural of country is countries - you idiot,
i hope you dont posses a gun,
the plural of gun is gunies - you idiot,
have you ever watched goonies ?
thats more than the plural form, thats even more




just for your information

forgot the right link to this

[PLAYER57832]

/quote]The real problem is outlawing guns does nothing to stop people from obaining violant killing instruments.

It kind of does, no? It makes it illegal to purchase types of them.

Not when you can buy far more destructive bomb components almost anywhere.

Ironically, to the extent it would work, it sthat guns are not really about violance. ?That is, if you goal is to just kill people, they are not that effective. The thing is, most people who harm with guns really don't have that intent.

i.e. it takes a much bigger scumbag, or someone far more desperate to wield a bomb and say "give me your money... or else.

My biggest point is jus that Ia lot of folks in this debate (in general) tend to minimize the risk/camage and significance of guns and minimize the damage caused by other weapons. Bombs, in particular, but even knives and fists are harldy innocuous items. While I am not going to argue this point myself, I have heard people say they would far rather face a gun than a knife,because a gun will "just kill" and a knife will either kill more slowly or cause crippling/disfiguring damage. Like i said, I am not going to argue that point.. I am not at all sure I agree, but it is interesting how little such arguments are even voiced. And note, those who DO voice them tend to be people with experience with all types of violance.

Its far more effective to limit who gets guns than to ban them altogher.

[Gweeedo]

Oh, now I am an Idiot...what of it?

Too bad not everybody can be as smart as you.

Quote: I don't speak German though- World War 2 sorted that one out, mate. End quote

On behalf of America, you are welcome.
For preventing you from speaking a second language, badly

[AslanTheKing]

Oh, now I am an Idiot...what of it?

Too bad not everybody can be as smart as you.

Quote: I don't speak German though- World War 2 sorted that one out, mate. End quote

On behalf of America, you are welcome.
For preventing you from speaking a second language badly

youre pathetic amigo,
we can switch to spanish
if ure more comfortble with it

[mrswdk]

Not when you can buy far more destructive bomb components almost anywhere.

Yeah, Wal-Mart's doing 2-for-1 on detonators at the moment if you're interested on stocking up.

[chang50]

Just stupid, why is this politician even a politician???

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-amer ... 6797948780

Worry about your own country. Our rights are none of your business.

As if you and other Americans restrict their comments only to their own country.You had shitloads to say about the Breivik shootings in Norway (not USA) remember?As well as being unenforceable such self censorship would result in an extremely boring INTERNATIONAL forum.Someone from a small country like Andorra or San Marino where relatively little happens of great importance would effectively be prohibited from posting.You see this is not America's planet and bullies don't get to make all the rules.

You're correct Chang; this isn't "America's planet" but the fact remains that we're the "big brother" of the world.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/20 ... uperpower/

All indisputable,I only wish more of your countrymen weren't such bullies and hypocrites.Maybe this is an inevitable consequence og being 'big brother'?

Bullies and hypocrites are located in all four corners of the world mate; no more here in the USA than in other places.

They do exist everywhere,but from my experience,mostly on the net admittedly,the US has more than it's fair share.Who else would expect other nationalities not to express an opinion on their country but reserve the right to comment on everywhere for themselves?

[Gweeedo]

Agent 86 wrote:Just stupid, why is this politician even a politician???

Phatscotty wrote: Worry about your own country. Our rights are none of your business.

Quote: Who else would expect other nationalities not to express an opinion on their country but reserve the right to comment on everywhere for themselves? End quote.

You are more than welcome to express your opinion.
Nobody ever said otherwise.

It was suggested that you need not worry (harass by repeated snapping)
about it.
Lambasting Politicians as well as the Constitution.


Quote:Just stupid, why is this politician even a politician??? end quote

We already know your ''Opinion'' of Americans.
The only thing I can see that she might of done wrong, was Cleaning her gun at the office (rather than her home)...whoopee shit!

Quote:What possible reason could there be for unloading your gun in your office? Alternatively, why was it loaded to begin with? End quote

Gee, I don't know. Unloading a gun before you clean it...go figure.
Why was it Loaded? Because an Unloaded gun is a dangerous one...keeping it loaded is much safer, Duh!
A politician (any Government employee)showing up for work with a gun, might (am not sure that is even legal) not be all that uncommon...why carry around an unloaded gun?

Guns going off while Cleaning them. Not the first time that has happened..not the last (just be safe).

Although, I do not think this is a good enough reason ''why the U.S should get rid of guns''.
But I do believe that this is a good reason why all Politicians (governmental employees) should take their guns to work when they want to clean them.

The constitution is etched in Stone. There is no undoing it.
Interpretation of the second amendment (right to bare Arms) was upheld by a court of Law.
Your opinion matters not.

You are mistaken if you think we can change it..even if we wanted too.
You are Barking up the wrong tree!

[chang50]

Phatscotty wrote: Worry about your own country. Our rights are none of your business.

Quote: Who else would expect other nationalities not to express an opinion on their country but reserve the right to comment on everywhere for themselves? End quote.

You are more than welcome to express your opinion.
Nobody ever said otherwise.

It was suggested that you need not worry (harass by repeated snapping)
about it.

Interesting interpretation of 'Our rights are none of your business'.Don't sound much like 'You are welcome to express your opinion'.to me.

[Gweeedo]

It has nothing to do with opinion. Where you have ''no'' rights...you have no business.
Let me try another way.
Where you have no rights..you have no business in our rights.

And another:Where you have no rights (in our rights of the constitution)..you have no business in our rights (of the Constitution).

Even the 50 states have no business interpreting or manipulating or taking away our rights.
It is our business to embrace our rights if we so chose, it is not any of your business to subdue our rights.
Has nothing to do with Opinions.

[Symmetry]

/quote]The real problem is outlawing guns does nothing to stop people from obaining violant killing instruments.

It kind of does, no? It makes it illegal to purchase types of them.

Not when you can buy far more destructive bomb components almost anywhere.

I disagree with your logic on this, but I think we're arguing different points. Clearly outlawing guns does something to stop people from obtaining violent killing instruments. That bomb making components are available does not change that.

[mrswdk]

How come 'the right to bear arms' is only ever applied to guns? Why is it deemed to be a constitutional right to own an assault rifle or carry a gun under your jacket but not to carry a swordstick/brass knuckles or booby-trap your private land with mines?

[Gweeedo]

Regardless of the killing instruments.
What role do you think the Secular media plays in all this?
Same with television shows like Law and Order, CSI etc.

I think they came up with a CSI Bangkok, But they had to cancel it...being that Bangkok has no crime.

[Symmetry]

Regardless of the killing instruments.
What role do you think the Secular media plays in all this?
Same with television shows like Law and Order, CSI etc.

I think they came up with a CSI Bangkok, But they had to cancel it...being that Bangkok has no crime.

Given the depth of thought apparent in your post, I'm gonna say "none". I have no idea how to respond to the rest of your post.