The Whitechapel Murderer- GAME OVER - TOWN WON

[DoomYoshi]

I'm not sure what he just soft-claimed. So... is Moriarty evil?

Why not?

vote saf

[Iron Butterfly]

I will freely admit now that I'm pretty sure I have a miller role from certain faction's point of view, so I was subtly trying to get an investigative role who wouldn't get biased investigate me. Whether or not that was successful remains to be seen. But at least it's a talking point after a night with not much to show for.

You're saying you believe you will most likely get a positive investigation because of your faction/faction of investigator. You could be saying this for a variety of reasons. The pressure has suddenly been put on you on a day that has been quiet of anything tangible.

You need to fully claim. If you are worried about a positive investigation you need to fully explain why instead of spoon feeding us information that only seems to serve your best interest. Yes common sense seems to be that you are soft claiming Moriarty however there could be other reasons as well that we are unaware of.

You need to claim.

[strike wolf]

That was my guess that he is a. Moriarty. B. claiming to be a town aligned or at worst neutral party/faction. C. worried that Sherlock Holmes would view him as The Ripper and D. Tried to get attention from a real cop early on. He may also be hinting that there are factions that he knows about (namely Holmes and Watson) but that's more speculative going by his early posts.

[HotShot53]

I will freely admit now that I'm pretty sure I have a miller role from certain faction's point of view, so I was subtly trying to get an investigative role who wouldn't get biased investigate me. Whether or not that was successful remains to be seen. But at least it's a talking point after a night with not much to show for.

what is the "certain faction" that would view you as scum? And why do you believe that other faction(s) would view you as town? Since you want a cop to investigate you, but not this "certain faction", that sounds like you are more likely a mafia godfather type that you'll come out clean to normal cops, but scum to someone like sherlock. Which sounds like you very well could be Moriarty.

Based on that I will vote safariguy5 to add pressure for a full claim.

[safariguy5]

I'm Doctor Montague John Druitt. I'm a doctor, but I have a feeling I might be sanity. I protected kratos night 1, so I'm not sure whether I'm sanity or not since he's still alive.

I think the Vigilante Committee will probably see me as scum, so I was hoping Sherlock would investigate me by dropping Moriarty hints. Also, Vigilante Committee probably has the power to NK me, and I'd prefer that not happen.

[kratos644]

I'm Doctor Montague John Druitt. I'm a doctor, but I have a feeling I might be sanity. I protected kratos night 1, so I'm not sure whether I'm sanity or not since he's still alive.

I think the Vigilante Committee will probably see me as scum, so I was hoping Sherlock would investigate me by dropping Moriarty hints. Also, Vigilante Committee probably has the power to NK me, and I'd prefer that not happen.

A couple things. Why are we assuming the white chapel vigilantes actually have vig powers? Mets didn't appear to have vig powers.

Why protect me? In case your save killed?

Druitt isn't actually a doctor if we're looking at flavor here. His father was but not him so I'm a little skeptical but as a claimed doctor I certainly would be crazy to vote you so for now I'll take your claim but I'm still not 100% trusting of you.

[Anarkistsdream]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
Safari (2) - DoomYoshi, Hotshot5


Dying down a little here... You guys getting frustrated or something? Muahahahahahahahaha

Seriously, though, I think you are all kicking ass...

Will send out a few prods later on this evening.

I hope you are enjoying this as a player, guys, because it has been really fun for me to watch.

[safariguy5]

I'm Doctor Montague John Druitt. I'm a doctor, but I have a feeling I might be sanity. I protected kratos night 1, so I'm not sure whether I'm sanity or not since he's still alive.

I think the Vigilante Committee will probably see me as scum, so I was hoping Sherlock would investigate me by dropping Moriarty hints. Also, Vigilante Committee probably has the power to NK me, and I'd prefer that not happen.

A couple things. Why are we assuming the white chapel vigilantes actually have vig powers? Mets didn't appear to have vig powers.

Why protect me? In case your save killed?

Druitt isn't actually a doctor if we're looking at flavor here. His father was but not him so I'm a little skeptical but as a claimed doctor I certainly would be crazy to vote you so for now I'll take your claim but I'm still not 100% trusting of you.

Mets himself may not have vig powers, but the group as a whole may have some, much like how the mafia group in a given game has a vig power per night.

As for why I targeted you, I picked someone who I didn't think would be targeted by anyone else. You seem less likely to be targeted by someone else for a save or some other protection.

[strike wolf]

Hmm...well I'm not lynching a doctor. Not like this anyways. I am not sure I like your name claim or not but that's slippery ice. With the Jack the Ripper, it could be any one of the suspects that were never fully ruled out as him or a fake claim but it's also very possible that all those suspects are town put into the game as weaker claims to give The Ripper cover. I know I have certainly included weaker roles in games before for the purpose of providing possible mislynches (In fact, if every town character is 100% believable or close to it than you have a really unbalanced game. Kind of like when I rushed the Alien Mafia without adequately compensating for the lack of believable fake claims.) So ultimately, I lean towards believing the claim and I am 100% not lynching a doctor under these circumstances.

[kratos644]

Hmm...well I'm not lynching a doctor. Not like this anyways. I am not sure I like your name claim or not but that's slippery ice. With the Jack the Ripper, it could be any one of the suspects that were never fully ruled out as him or a fake claim but it's also very possible that all those suspects are town put into the game as weaker claims to give The Ripper cover. I know I have certainly included weaker roles in games before for the purpose of providing possible mislynches (In fact, if every town character is 100% believable or close to it than you have a really unbalanced game. Kind of like when I rushed the Alien Mafia without adequately compensating for the lack of believable fake claims.) So ultimately, I lean towards believing the claim and I am 100% not lynching a doctor under these circumstances.

I agree with you that we shouldn't lynch him. He's a claimed doc so it would be incredibly dumb on our end. I was just pointing out the potential from his name claim for it not being entirely true. For the time being, it should be taken as true

[Nebuchadnezer]

I'm Doctor Montague John Druitt. I'm a doctor, but I have a feeling I might be sanity. I protected kratos night 1, so I'm not sure whether I'm sanity or not since he's still alive.

I think the Vigilante Committee will probably see me as scum, so I was hoping Sherlock would investigate me by dropping Moriarty hints. Also, Vigilante Committee probably has the power to NK me, and I'd prefer that not happen.

Obviously, you must have reason to believe this...say, your PM perhaps? It is a claim. We can keep track of your actions. Please be forthcoming with you actions each night going forward.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Kratos has now come to life here. Nice to see. But always casting doubt towards Safariguy.

Doom is being his usual confusing self.

That's all I got.

[kratos644]

I'm Doctor Montague John Druitt. I'm a doctor, but I have a feeling I might be sanity. I protected kratos night 1, so I'm not sure whether I'm sanity or not since he's still alive.

I think the Vigilante Committee will probably see me as scum, so I was hoping Sherlock would investigate me by dropping Moriarty hints. Also, Vigilante Committee probably has the power to NK me, and I'd prefer that not happen.

Obviously, you must have reason to believe this...say, your PM perhaps? It is a claim. We can keep track of your actions. Please be forthcoming with you actions each night going forward.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Kratos has now come to life here. Nice to see. But always casting doubt towards Safariguy.

Doom is being his usual confusing self.

That's all I got.

I was doubtful of safariguy day 1 and I suppose it has carried over a little bit. Like I said, I believe his claim because his claim is doctor but the name leaves a little potential for doubt. I may be a little biased because I used to watch a sci-fi show where John Druitt was Jack the Ripper. Who knows?

As for me coming to life, I was semi active early in day one but then we got to a point where mets was clearly going to get lynched because he wasn't posting type of defense. There wasn't a whole lot of posting to be done.

[HotShot53]

Well, his claim seems believable I guess, so I will unvote

I wouldn't be surprised if he is a sanity doctor, based on looking up the claimed character. So maybe he just got lucky day one, since (according to the one place I found sanity doctor mentioned) sanity doctors only kill the patients 50% of the time. So be careful who you "protect" just in case you accidentally kill them instead.

With a sanity doctor, is it likely there is another doctor also?

[DoomYoshi]

I'm Doctor Montague John Druitt. I'm a doctor, but I have a feeling I might be sanity. I protected kratos night 1, so I'm not sure whether I'm sanity or not since he's still alive.

I think the Vigilante Committee will probably see me as scum, so I was hoping Sherlock would investigate me by dropping Moriarty hints. Also, Vigilante Committee probably has the power to NK me, and I'd prefer that not happen.

Obviously, you must have reason to believe this...say, your PM perhaps? It is a claim. We can keep track of your actions. Please be forthcoming with you actions each night going forward.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but Kratos has now come to life here. Nice to see. But always casting doubt towards Safariguy.

Doom is being his usual confusing self.

That's all I got.

What do you think about you being mentioned in the scene?

[virus90]

not sure about the safariguy case, his claimed character is one of the suspects for being jack the ripper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montague_Druitt
im just skeptical of claiming doctor when noone died. the odds of you and jack both picking kratos are really small. ofcourse its possible but well 1/14 * 1/14. = 1/196 = 0,5 % thats pretty minute, especially considering that doom yoshi claimed day cop and thus would be a more logical choice both for jack and a doctor. for all you (safariguy) know you might even protected jack the ripper from a nightkill, (dont think kratos is jack the ripper but you get my idea probably), the sanity issue is also a convenient way to explain not protecting doomyoshi, and i think that part is valid, but why would their be issues with sanity? if i got a role pm saying im a doctor i would not doubt it, but maybe thats because im relativly new to this...

and about the scene hinting to nebudchanezer i dont get that at all, in my opinion its a clear reference (well spotted benga). but i dont get what it implies, as nebudchanezer pointed out, does that mean he has to be hanged or protected. probably so far only nebudchanezer himself knows that... since im lost on this case...

[strike wolf]

My issue with paying attention to Neb in the letter. Is I doubt that Nark would include a hint like that to Jack's identity and following him as a person to protect or otherwise just sounds like a good way for the Ripper to try to direct our night actions.

[new guy1]

not sure about the safariguy case, his claimed character is one of the suspects for being jack the ripper:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montague_Druitt
im just skeptical of claiming doctor when noone died. the odds of you and jack both picking kratos are really small. ofcourse its possible but well 1/14 * 1/14. = 1/196 = 0,5 % thats pretty minute, especially considering that doom yoshi claimed day cop and thus would be a more logical choice both for jack and a doctor. for all you (safariguy) know you might even protected jack the ripper from a nightkill, (dont think kratos is jack the ripper but you get my idea probably), the sanity issue is also a convenient way to explain not protecting doomyoshi, and i think that part is valid, but why would their be issues with sanity? if i got a role pm saying im a doctor i would not doubt it, but maybe thats because im relativly new to this...

and about the scene hinting to nebudchanezer i dont get that at all, in my opinion its a clear reference (well spotted benga). but i dont get what it implies, as nebudchanezer pointed out, does that mean he has to be hanged or protected. probably so far only nebudchanezer himself knows that... since im lost on this case...

I can see where safariguy (knowing some of the flavor) would be skeptical about a doctor role when he was suspected in the murders, but I am stuck on whether it is a fake claim or not. I believe it for now because I have no evidence to say otherwise. There can be sanity issues in any game, and this would be a good one for them I suppose, since most of the power roles are probably centered on cop roles (just speculation). Sorry for not posting recently, it was mostly due to the weekend, but I also had not posted for a long time prior to that.

[safariguy5]

I suspected sanity mainly because my role PM strongly hinted at some sort of sanity. Therefore, no protection of Doom as I didn't want to accidentally kill him.

Also, there's a possibility I'm simply a naive doctor and none of my night actions really do anything.

[gregwolf121]

okay so as for saf, i say we don't lynch the doc, and obviously more info will be needed to determine what his sanity his, but saf is an experienced player so im sure he will figure it out.
the other item of note was jacks letter, specifically his riddle, i would agree that the first part refers to neb, i don't think its jack giving a hint to his identity. i think jack is saying kill this player or i will kill, amytis, who ever that is

Dear Boss

Your necktie party was fun to watch though the bugger gave quite a kick. Nothin (sic) beats the work of a good scalpel. My head is full and my eyes can see ohhh so far...ohh so far. My calling is true and me mission pure. There be others whos (sic) mission is not mine. Ha Ha the jokes on them. Heya boss hows about a riddle?

Seek the ancient king who lies in the Hanging Garden for justice to prevail or my beauty Amytis will be the next to fall.

From Hell

Jack the Ripper

[Nebuchadnezer]

Ya, I don't know what to make of the clue. If the clue was written in the flavor of the game, then why would it transfer from a players name (out of flavor) to a characters name (in flavor)? I think the clue is simply flavor...meant to mislead us. Unless there is an Amytis in the game that would like to come out and say, "hi" to us all...

I think Safari's claim would be one hell of a gamble if he was Moriarty or Jack. Brass balls. No offense, Saf, but I don't think you have 'em.

The problem is that I think we a lot of us got some info last night, only we can't be sure what it means. We have to decide if Saf's info is enough, or if we are going to scum hunt. I think we're down to 7 votes needed...maybe less. We do have a claim on the table.

[Anarkistsdream]

OFFICIAL VOTE COUNT
Safariguy (1) - DoomYoshi

Been two days since any activity.... So, that means, it's time to start dropping the votes needed!

With 14 players, it would normally take 8 to lynch, and that number has just dropped to 7....

It will drop by one each day around my lunchtime...

[nagerous]

Ok, guys since the safariguy seems to have come and passed, I think we're back to square one and it is a shame that Doom couldn't investigate today.

Any other cases/thoughts?

If there is a cheeky roleblocker out there who thinks they might be able to push a lead that is always not a bad idea on a non NK day. Not trying to push anyone to claim, but I think any evidence is valuable especially now a doctor is outed, even if it is one with questionable sanity .

[DoomYoshi]

My issue with paying attention to Neb in the letter. Is I doubt that Nark would include a hint like that to Jack's identity and following him as a person to protect or otherwise just sounds like a good way for the Ripper to try to direct our night actions.

It seems like it could be Night Action related as a weird special ability.

At first, I suspected benga, but then I remembered that we already went down that road.

Le sigh.

[new guy1]

Confused as to why there was no NK. My only speculation is he was roleblocked or he is setting up to say he is a vig. Or maybe he missed his action. All of this is said as if Jack is alone. I could see where a claim from the roleblocker with his action would help, especially since we have no current claims on the table, and need somewhere to start.

[DoomYoshi]

Or maybe he missed his action.

Who on the list of players is most likely to miss an action?

Who is most likely to have been roleblocked?