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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby jak111 on Tue May 06, 2014 1:28 pm

Jmac1026 wrote:What can I say? Sorry for being busy a few times and not posting much? The only reason I'm being lynched is because I've been relatively inactive and I'm "scummy." I'm going to turn up town. When I do, what will Jak's reasoning be? That I was the scummiest player at the time? No, he's the scummiest player.

He blind fires every single night. Jonty got lynched partly because he could potentially do so. He hasn't bothered consulting with town on any of his shots. I'm just requesting that you guys lynch Jak tomorrow after I turn up town. If you could agree to that, I'll hammer myself, because I doubt that anyone else is going to get lynched today and this game could stall.


I'll vote myself if you or whoever I shoot tonight does not flip the vampire leader, because at that point it's just game over if I can't get a 2/3 chance right.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby pancakemix on Tue May 06, 2014 2:16 pm

Well, I'm still vehemently of the opinion that jak is scum. I can't in good conscience lynch someone I believe is town just to end a stalemate. My concern: Jak is the vampire leader in an extremely OP turn of events and we lose. I have to both hedge my bets and stick to my guns.

For the record, if someone's going to get shot tonight, I am the one with an investigation clearing me.

@pcm, you are the 5th VT claim, do you believe we have 5 VT's in this game? If so, who of the town PR's do you think is lying and why? If not, same for VT's and why?


I have no reason to believe that anyone has claimed contrary to the truth save you. The burden of proof is on you to show otherwise, and you have thus far failed.

I'm repeating myself (as I tend to do) but the fact remains: no vampires, no deal. Show me a vamp and I'll deal with vamps. Otherwise, no dice.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby jak111 on Tue May 06, 2014 2:44 pm

Whether you like it or not pcm, I am killing someone tonight, so who do you think is lying? (besides me which you keep pushing).

You're right, you got two investigations, very convenient for you is it not? You're acting like Anark at this point. He's doing the exact same thing to you as you're doing to me and yet you find him odd. Only difference is you post more than he does.

So with you both doing the same thing, how do you think I should shoot between you two? Both of you are using the "well I'm pretty damn clear" card as if in Mafia it is ever 100% to everyone else. Right now we're going under the assumptions.

You want me to flip a vampire, well if I shoot you tonight, think I can flip one? You're right, I haven't hit one once so far, but that's bullshit logic and you know it is. Mafia go entire games without vig or anyone else hitting even one.

One major thing that is counting against you this game is your tunneling. If you want me dead, I'll help hang myself tomorrow if I can't flip a vampire, but until then you aren't even trying to open up to the possibility that I am what I say I am and I can't do my job without town helping to lynch the right people.

Anark's posts are not helpful in anything I'm trying to do for town, but to say yours are, I'd be lying. I have to pick between the two of you in HOPES that I hit the original vampire if Jmac is not it. So tell me besides investigation and all of that, why should I not kill you over Anark? You're both doing the exact same thing, except he's tunneling you and you're tunneling me.

I think I forgot to reply to something about the Jonty lynch a bit ago. You pushed JUST as hard for his head. Anark didn't. Another thing to count against you.

Ever since MP claimed, you've been sucking up to him hoping to control his vote.

So. Why should I not shoot you and shoot Anark instead? Give me the reason before we go into the night if someone votes between now and tomorrow. Unless you wish me to shoot "blindly" again.

(Note: I was leaning more towards shooting Anark actually before you just got to go on and on about me. Now I'm not so sure, it makes sense for a vampire to tunnel me, hell for all I know vampires are just single guy trying to survive and not even anti-town, I'm just assuming they are as mafia are dead and the game is still going).
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby kgb007 on Tue May 06, 2014 4:11 pm

pretty convincing stuff jmac..

jak if you're confident that one of pcm and nark is not what they claim, how about lynching one and killing the other during the night? strange that nark would vote against pcm so I'd lean towards lynching pcm

unvote vote pcm

storr, i still haven't heard your thoughts on pcm
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby Anarkistsdream on Tue May 06, 2014 6:15 pm

kgb007 wrote:pretty convincing stuff jmac..

jak if you're confident that one of pcm and nark is not what they claim, how about lynching one and killing the other during the night? strange that nark would vote against pcm so I'd lean towards lynching pcm

unvote vote pcm

storr, i still haven't heard your thoughts on pcm

And when we lynch him and he is scum, you will NOT kill me...
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby jak111 on Tue May 06, 2014 6:24 pm

kgb007 wrote:pretty convincing stuff jmac..

jak if you're confident that one of pcm and nark is not what they claim, how about lynching one and killing the other during the night? strange that nark would vote against pcm so I'd lean towards lynching pcm

unvote vote pcm

storr, i still haven't heard your thoughts on pcm


I said if Jmac does not flip vampire leader of some sort. I was simply explaining my choices tonight if he does flip town and asking them both why I should not shoot either of them.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby spiesr on Tue May 06, 2014 11:06 pm

Alright, at the moment I think Jak would be my most preferred target for the lynch. However, in the event that he is telling the truth we will likely lose if we don't make a supper correct lynch tonight, whereas if he is lying we probably have a shot at getting a Day 5. (And also the way things have fallen, in part do to my own dragging my heels on the issue, there is no way he is going to be lynched before the deadline in the morning.) So Vote Jmac. If Jak is telling the truth he is as good of candidate for the head vampire as anyone.

Jak, my requests for your night kill in order of preference are:
  1. Yourself (Disregard if we lynched a vampire.)
  2. Nobody
  3. Not Pancakemix since you should know very well by this point that he didn't start as a vampire. (Disregard if we lynched the recruiter.)
  4. Not me since I feel that my mason claim should clear me of starting as a vampire.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby pancakemix on Wed May 07, 2014 12:11 am

jak111 wrote:Whether you like it or not pcm, I am killing someone tonight, so who do you think is lying? (besides me which you keep pushing).


I answered your question.

You're right, you got two investigations, very convenient for you is it not? You're acting like Anark at this point. He's doing the exact same thing to you as you're doing to me and yet you find him odd. Only difference is you post more than he does.

So with you both doing the same thing, how do you think I should shoot between you two? Both of you are using the "well I'm pretty damn clear" card as if in Mafia it is ever 100% to everyone else. Right now we're going under the assumptions.


I'm not basing things on my gut, I'm basing things on facts that have been submitted and the evidence that backs it up. You have none. You can't even explain how your whole role works and hold back pertinent info unless pressed. How can I trust you to know where the faction lines lie?

And yes, it is convenient. Thank you for that, btw. :lol: You're working very hard to discredit what your were very certain of earlier today. I find that troubling. Or are you deciding not to believe MP again? I can't tell.

You want me to flip a vampire, well if I shoot you tonight, think I can flip one? You're right, I haven't hit one once so far, but that's bullshit logic and you know it is. Mafia go entire games without vig or anyone else hitting even one.


Nope. That being the case, by all means, shoot me. Get yourself lynched, lower my blood pressure, put this wretched game out of its misery. :P

One major thing that is counting against you this game is your tunneling. If you want me dead, I'll help hang myself tomorrow if I can't flip a vampire, but until then you aren't even trying to open up to the possibility that I am what I say I am and I can't do my job without town helping to lynch the right people.


Then you ought to have done your job. Jmac stands out as a painful and telling mark of your scumminess. You harped on him for three days and for three nights have chosen not to shoot him. You are only as good as your record, and your record as a mafia hunter and a vampire hunter do not coalesce.

Anark's posts are not helpful in anything I'm trying to do for town, but to say yours are, I'd be lying. I have to pick between the two of you in HOPES that I hit the original vampire if Jmac is not it. So tell me besides investigation and all of that, why should I not kill you over Anark? You're both doing the exact same thing, except he's tunneling you and you're tunneling me.


I have asked you time and again why things are so complicated with you when no other claimed PR exhibits such complexity, and why you shot who when. These are questions that need asking. Nark just goes with his gut. And you're saying my contributions aren't helpful? At least two others see the logic in my thought process, so I'd beg to differ. I'm going on evidence I can see in front of me. And again, you have none. I'm done making deals. If you think you can act scummy and get away with it, you're wrong.

I think I forgot to reply to something about the Jonty lynch a bit ago. You pushed JUST as hard for his head. Anark didn't. Another thing to count against you.


And? He was scummy. I saw a connection. I went with it. What do you want?

Ever since MP claimed, you've been sucking up to him hoping to control his vote.


Well, he actually did his job correctly and caught a scum. I still see no vampires...

So. Why should I not shoot you and shoot Anark instead? Give me the reason before we go into the night if someone votes between now and tomorrow. Unless you wish me to shoot "blindly" again.

(Note: I was leaning more towards shooting Anark actually before you just got to go on and on about me. Now I'm not so sure, it makes sense for a vampire to tunnel me, hell for all I know vampires are just single guy trying to survive and not even anti-town, I'm just assuming they are as mafia are dead and the game is still going).


What answer did you think I was going to give? What answer do you think I'm going to give now? Forget what I think, killing me is a hard sell with anyone else. You're bending and breaking a lot of rules (mind you, you set some of them) to force a pretext to shoot me. I'll remind you that you were about to go after Nark before I made my initial post.

I'd like to point out that being "protected" from vampires by garlic lines up in no way with your speculation there. Your lies fail you. That's why I'm valuable. I talk. I read (despite your boorish accusations to the contrary). You only think you should shoot me because I'm a threat to you. And you're right. As long as you're scummy, I'm a threat. As long as there are no dead vampires, I'm a threat. I hold you accountable, and that makes me dangerous. You have to deal with that. If I die, let my death be the harbinger of yours.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby pancakemix on Wed May 07, 2014 12:50 am

Also, it does not appear that kgb's interests are actually in a lynch. Gut reactions seem to suffice as cases these days. Kinda makes it hard to defend oneself...

Since Jak is probably going to shoot me tonight regardless of logic, I will take a moment to recall Skyrim mafia, in which jak and I exchanged blows for most of D1, accounting for more than half of the game's page count. Turned out we were both town.

I bring this up to point out that I may very well be wrong here despite my vehemence. That being said, jak made some very scummy plays that game even though he was town. I think it speaks a lot to both my play and his, at least to the extent that once I bite down my jaws are clamped, and the fact that jak is not unwilling to make ballsy plays.

If a vampire flips, mea culpa. If not, your death is well earned. As for me, I have to do what I think is right:

Unvote Vote Jmac

If the vampires are out there and numbered as I though they would, they had ample opportunity to jump on jak. They didn't. Which leads me to believe they either aren't out there (most likely) or are too weak to do anything. I don't think either so, since more realistic support would have come if even one of them voted for jak.

Which leads to Jmac. He has long been considered the most likely for vampire (I guess). Jak has refused to kill him but consistently pushes on him. This leads me to believe he is not a vampire. And yet he is our best lynch option today.

Stagnating the game is in no one's best interest. So then with kgb flopping in a bizarre way my hand is forced on the issue. Based on my theory on jak, I don't think he's scum, but my point can be made with his death and the NK and the question will be answered. Also, in truth, I grow tired of the slog this game has become. Death will likely bring me its sweet respite tonight because of jak's (willfully) self-fulfilling prophecy. Even if I'm wrong, tell me: How could I trust him?

Alea Iacta Est. I have done as I see right. Let the truth be known.

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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby Jmac1026 on Wed May 07, 2014 9:25 am

Good luck town. Please lynch Jak tomorrow.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby kgb007 on Wed May 07, 2014 9:43 am

i'm on the record being in favor of lynching jak if he can't show us a vamp today/tonight. and forcing your hand pcm? were you not going to vote?
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Re: The Village of Secrets [8/15] DAY 4

Postby kgb007 on Wed May 07, 2014 9:46 am

sry, saw that you actually had your vote cast against jak and switched to jmac

What can I say about why I switched votes? I believe Jmac to be town with his last few posts so I can't consent voting him at this point. For a game called village of secrets, we haven't seen many secrets so far

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Official Vote Count 4.4

Postby superkeener on Wed May 07, 2014 11:46 am

Official Vote Count 4.4
Final Day 4 Vote

Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
LYNCHED Jmac1026 (5): jak111, MudPuppy, StorrZerg, spiesr, pancakemix
kgb007 (0):
pancakemix (2): Anarkistsdream, kgb007
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (0):
StorrZerg (1): Jmac1026

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (0)


Jmac1026, a Town Villager has been lynched.

With 8 alive, it takes 5 votes to lynch.

It is now Night 4


Deadline for NIGHT 4 is: Saturday, May 10th, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [7/15] NIGHT 4

Postby Anarkistsdream on Wed May 07, 2014 12:45 pm

I wish people would listen to me.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [7/15] NIGHT 4

Postby Jmac1026 on Fri May 09, 2014 8:39 pm

Guys, I'm dead, but I really want to know the results of this night!
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Re: The Village of Secrets [7/15] NIGHT 4

Postby superkeener on Sat May 10, 2014 6:32 pm

SOrry. I have been busy. Will have the scene up by Monday.
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NIGHT 4

Postby superkeener on Sun May 11, 2014 8:27 am

Nightfall has ended.

pancakemix, Town Villager has been killed.

Day 5 begins now!

*** mtamburini has replaced StorrZerg
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Official Vote Count 5.0


Anarkistsdream (0):
jak111 (0):
kgb007 (0):
MudPuppy (0):
spiesr (0):
mtamburini (0):

No Lynch (0):

Not Voting (6) jak111, MudPuppy, mtamburini, spiesr, Anarkistsdream, kgb007


With 6 alive, it takes 4 votes to lynch.


Deadline for DAY 5 is: Monday, May 19th, 2014, 10:00am CC Time.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [7/15] NIGHT 4

Postby spiesr on Sun May 11, 2014 9:44 am

So Jak, anything you would like to report before I try to lynch you today?

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Re: The Village of Secrets [6/15] DAY 5

Postby MudPuppy on Sun May 11, 2014 10:24 am

See, I told you pcm was town. I wish people Nark would listen to me. :P

Jak, of all the people you could have shot at, you went after the one who was cleared by me and your garlic?!?!?
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Re: The Village of Secrets [6/15] DAY 5

Postby Anarkistsdream on Sun May 11, 2014 11:34 am

Considering both of you voted to lynch a townie, I can't really see how either of you have any leg to stand on in this debate. In fact, what ARE both of your voting records on townies?

Today is Mother's Day and I will be gone, but i am assuming this is lynch or lose today... and I asume it will be a town loss since most of you are vamps by now...
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Re: NIGHT 4

Postby jak111 on Sun May 11, 2014 3:11 pm

pancakemix, Town Villager has been killed.

Well guess he was telling the truth.

There's a few revelations in the night. I got the Holy Cross. Garlic & Stake are USELESS. The Holy Cross basically just tells me what were useless.

But my N3 action is still effective. It was a mirror. Self use like the Holy Cross that deflects actions back towards the action use that tried on me. No one said yesterday that they used actions on me and got so and so, so I could not prove anyone wrong and I was pretty sure pcm's VT claim was a lie.

Having two ineffective tools explains why my role seems OP because two of them are worthless.

What surprises me the most right now is the game is still ongoing. I know I said I'd vote myself if I couldn't get the vamp leader, but with all the townies dead I want to push for a town win. Might as well not die for nothing.

What do we have left though?

A mason.
A seer
A matchmaker
A VT
A Bulletproof
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A Vampire Hunter.

If you think I am still anti-town, let me put up some pointers.

  • Do you believe the game will end with my death?
  • If yes, then I am the "last bad guy" and you could actually let me live and lynch me tomorrow.
  • If not, that means you believe one of two things. (3rd is covered by the yes thing)
  • Who is my partner?
  • Or who else is anti-town?

Run over those 5 points. If you believe me to be THE bad-guy and the only thing keeping you from winning, what is the harm in another day?

So unless you believe you're at LYLO (against me) then bare with me and try. As we approach the end here, I believe vampires are not a cult. That was mine and YOUR assumption. All I know is I am against them, they have not succeeded in a kill and they seem to not be a very successful cult if they are one. So what does that leave? Survivor group? Lovers? Lynchers? Fools?

Look at the claims, which ones do we believe?

  • spiesr who is a claimed mason, un cc'd with Virus. (I believe it, Vampires don't look like a cult and I say f*ck it, my trust is here).
  • MP who is a claimed seer, 2-shot supposedly. (The 2-shot seems under-powered. Did he know this would happen? A reason for it happening? Did she check someone or someone destroyed it somehow?).
  • Storr (Now mtamburini) who claimed a 1-shot bulletproof and had their vest hit N1, a night we can CONFIRM no mafia kill went through. (I believe it. Unless someone is holding back on us and letting the claim slip by).
  • kgb who claimed a matchmaker, which the mod effectively FORCED him to use N1 and then he became a VT.
  • Anark who claimed the first Town Villager (VT) and has pushed little over the past few days.

If you believe killing me will end the game, no harm in letting me live till tomorrow and lynching me then.

If you do not believe that, which claim do you not trust? I count 2 that have a good back-setting of what we know (between virus' flip and no mafia kill N1). After that is gets just a little sketchy. kgb's claim says why HotShot died but not why mafia made no kill. MP's claim just seems to conveniently break after finding a SINGLE anti-town. (MP, this is nothing against you, just I find it convenient). Then we have Anark's claim, a simple VT. 4 dead VT's and he is the 5th. Do we believe there to be 5 VT's when the town PR's just seem soo under powered as we have them now?

That's all for you guys to decide yourself. I am asking if it's worth the risk of lynching me when you believe me to be the bad guy when I could just as easily (easier actually, everyone alive just votes me XD) tomorrow, as to me dying today and then finding out you need me when the game continues past my lynch?
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Re: The Village of Secrets [6/15] DAY 5

Postby spiesr on Sun May 11, 2014 4:09 pm

Vote Jak
You killing pancakemix and your BS sounding claim that your previous actions were "ineffective" makes me quite confident that you are lying. (And also various thing mentioned previously including that complete lack of vampires.) We already did the "give you the benefit of the doubt for the day" thing once. I have no interest in trying it again. I am not certain if you are the only remaining anti-town player or not. My other potential candidates are mtamburini and kgb, however I am far more confident in you being scum than either of them.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [6/15] DAY 5

Postby Anarkistsdream on Sun May 11, 2014 5:41 pm

spiesr wrote:Vote Jak
You killing pancakemix and your BS sounding claim that your previous actions were "ineffective" makes me quite confident that you are lying. (And also various thing mentioned previously including that complete lack of vampires.) We already did the "give you the benefit of the doubt for the day" thing once. I have no interest in trying it again. I am not certain if you are the only remaining anti-town player or not. My other potential candidates are mtamburini and kgb, however I am far more confident in you being scum than either of them.

So, I have to decide whose side to be on.... Because I believe it is down to two very small groups... And I have nothing to really go on.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [6/15] DAY 5

Postby jak111 on Sun May 11, 2014 6:37 pm

Sad part is, it's the faction I am trying to protect that want me gone so quick. I honestly am leaning more towards kgb. His claim is something that seems REALLY odd to be FORCED N1. With no information to group two people together and no uses afterward.

That and Mp's 2 shot cop stuff. Could of it been just a risk play calling Sausage guilty? It may have been. Either way, I need to convince two townies that lynching me would hand the game to vampires. So Anark, are you with me or with them? I spared you in the night and since it's not game over, I don't think it's a vampire cult bud, but it's not a town role either since they haven't been honest.
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Re: The Village of Secrets [6/15] DAY 5

Postby Anarkistsdream on Sun May 11, 2014 7:24 pm

jak111 wrote:Sad part is, it's the faction I am trying to protect that want me gone so quick. I honestly am leaning more towards kgb. His claim is something that seems REALLY odd to be FORCED N1. With no information to group two people together and no uses afterward.

That and Mp's 2 shot cop stuff. Could of it been just a risk play calling Sausage guilty? It may have been. Either way, I need to convince two townies that lynching me would hand the game to vampires. So Anark, are you with me or with them? I spared you in the night and since it's not game over, I don't think it's a vampire cult bud, but it's not a town role either since they haven't been honest.


Wait....

You do NOT think it is a vampire cult??? So, then..... what the hell is it? After ALL this runaround you have given us, I hope you can understand why I am timid to believe...

I am on no team right now, and I think that has what made this such a mindfuck of a game. (Pardon my english)

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