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virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
I didn't answer this question from yesterday yet.Rodion wrote:Why not mafia?DoomYoshi wrote:Nark's appeal to emotion didn't sit right with me. Moreso since he has ranted against specifically his own behavior. I wouldn't say "self-righteous" or "whiner" but there is some hypocrisy here. I am betting SK.
DoomYoshi wrote:After sleeping on it, unvote. There are too many players to just start lynching someone who I think is probably town.
My case on Nark is only based on gut feeling (I am not a fan of appeals to emotion) and anti-meta. Other players may have other cases, but they all sucked in my eyes.
betiko is inactive... again. Yet he is on every day. Scummarrining to the max.
vote betiko
As I have stated before (in both this thread and previous games), if I don't have any scum reads I am in favor of putting pressure on a scummarizer, if nothing else it gets discussions going and keeps the game more active.Iron Butterfly wrote:Edocsil that's my horse.
Betiko is usually very opinionated and chatty. Where is he? We have a pool of 9 who have been involved with the horse game. We have 11 not involved. I suspect one of those eleven is the horse game lyncher. yes I know master of the obvious.
IB wasn't in it the first day....?Anarkistsdream wrote: As for the horse game... I still believe it to be a moderator-based game... My only issue with that is Iron Butterfly having to be in it two days. IB, if this is your role and you have to participate every day, I really feel for you. Haha
Whoa... you are right... don't know why I thought that.Whatsausage wrote:IB wasn't in it the first day....?Anarkistsdream wrote: As for the horse game... I still believe it to be a moderator-based game... My only issue with that is Iron Butterfly having to be in it two days. IB, if this is your role and you have to participate every day, I really feel for you. Haha
virus90 wrote: I think Anarkist is a valuable asset to any game.
Strike Wolf mentioned it at the beginning of the day but was mistaken.Anarkistsdream wrote:Whoa... you are right... don't know why I thought that.Whatsausage wrote:IB wasn't in it the first day....?Anarkistsdream wrote: As for the horse game... I still believe it to be a moderator-based game... My only issue with that is Iron Butterfly having to be in it two days. IB, if this is your role and you have to participate every day, I really feel for you. Haha
Read the rules, if I didn't claim (which aage whom quoted your post after missed as well). If at the end of the day, the thing with the MOST VOTES will be done. At the moment of my claim deadline was approaching and I had the most votes. So it's not really "any real pressure" it's the pressure of being close to lynch deadline with majority votes of voters.TA1LGUNN3R wrote:Hmm, I don't believe I'll be participating in the jak lynch. Just something about it that got some serious funk about it. We have a guy who ruffles some feathers D1, claims without any real pressure, and now conveniently fesses up to killing Zivel while dropping some hilariously bad hypocritical posts and scum tells?
It's a little too neat for me and reeks of a ploy.
-Tails

Instead of claiming almost instantaneously, you could've argued and refuted points, or otherwise deferred attention. Instead you quickly claimed town JOAT, which predictably would cause the wagon to ease up. And, to add upon what aage said, if you are scum, then it has allowed the rest of the mafia faction to hide out while sacrificing somebody who was suspicious anyway.jak wrote:Read the rules, if I didn't claim (which aage whom quoted your post after missed as well). If at the end of the day, the thing with the MOST VOTES will be done. At the moment of my claim deadline was approaching and I had the most votes. So it's not really "any real pressure" it's the pressure of being close to lynch deadline with majority votes of voters.
Majority by one vote, though, and if the clock guy hadn't been there (a) you would have had several days to defend yourself, and (b) we wouldn't even have had to revote after the tie since Nark would've had the most votes. I read the rules, even before they were quoted numerous times. You could've just moved your own vote towards the largest wagon to avoid getting killed: it's as good a survival tactic as any, doesn't require you to become a dreaded outed PR, and would raise a lot less questions.jak111 wrote:Read the rules, if I didn't claim (which aage whom quoted your post after missed as well). If at the end of the day, the thing with the MOST VOTES will be done. At the moment of my claim deadline was approaching and I had the most votes. So it's not really "any real pressure" it's the pressure of being close to lynch deadline with majority votes of voters.
First of all, when did you say this? here? "...be glad I didn't waste any protection roles last night"? If you want people to take your claims into account, try making them a bit less dramatic and vague. Second of all, since apparently you only have protection roles left, how exactly are you a threat to the mafia right now, apart from your superior reasoning skills? And then why would mafia be ganging up on such a high profile wagon against a claimed towny, based on that towny being "annoying"?Now, I have even said my roles left are more protection roles, notice how the wagon keeps growing.
Sorry for speaking out of turn, but I don't think this lynch should be regarded as a policy lynch. My main reason is that I seriously doubt it will have any effect on your future play, since you're clearly convinced that you are still in the right, and I don't mind stubbornness as much because I am too. You have a point though, which is why I don't mind that the day has trailed off to a discussion about you; if you do happen to pop town, we may learn a lot from this wagon.@Nebuch, your post is actually EXTREMELY scummy. You deny that there are votes on me for just me being "Annoying" so to speak to a few people. Just raise of hands of everyone on my wagon, how many ACTUALLY think I am scum? That will give better reads than guessing which are voting because they dislike me and which are voting because they think they've got scum.
I thought you were changing your meta.@Anark, oh I've been mafia, like 3-4 times about, usually 3rd party though. One game I was mafia in was a basic 2 mafia, cop, doc and 3 VT set-up. I lead the mafia into victory by sacking myself and getting the town's cop killed before he could find my partner. (NOT saying I'm mafia this game, just letting you know I've been mafia and when I am I tend to be more of a suicide bomber XD).
So why not use the busdrive on yourself and Zivel N1? You seemed to have been afraid that the scum was trying to kill you, so why not use one of your protective powers (since apparently you have loads of those) to protect yourself? In the long run that would've yielded some results as well, as I'm assuming a bunch of night actions went to you last night. Protection abilities generally are weaker than killing abilities anyway.@Sausage, pretty sure a few hours after I sent in the action I realised it was a bad move for N1, but that fucking clock guy... too late to change what happened. I just find it hard to believe Nebuch really thinks half the people are voting me because they think I'm "scum". As far as my actions go, I'll let slip 2 of them. Water = Doc save. Air = Bus Drive. Both usable to protect any investigation roles. So if we do out an investigation role I can at least protect him for 2 nights and get the main docs to focus elsewhere. If not out an investigative role I'll use my Earth ability.
Hey! You got something right! Oh, wait, I put that directly in my post...jak111 wrote: Yeah, I'm looking at Nebuch today, his post is just way too off. I don't think he actually thinks I'm scum. I don't think he ever has. He's actually been one of the few trying to egg it on since the beginning.
It makes no sense that you would be scum. Why do you think the Clock ended night early? There was no way mafia saw that coming, and no way they were prepared to submit their actions by the time night was prematurely ended. No, mafia did not make any moves last night, I'm sure. Yet, you come in here with your shit storm and pull every eye in your direction anyway. I didn't "egg" anyone on...you did plenty yourself. I do apologize for trying to make you see how your play so far has been terrible. Some people are just too stubborn. The problem is, you will do this again next game and wonder why everyone is on you again. But I digress...Nebuchadnezer wrote:Is he mafia? Probably not. 3rd party? Most likely. Sk? Definitely possible. Town? Might be.
Lootifer gave me notice that he would be away. Should've conveyed that. Apologies.aage wrote:I forgot to add. Lootifer hasn't posted in the last three days.
aage wrote:Never trust CYOC or pancake.
I had that thought as well, but I struggle with a town-aligned role ending a day early. There doesn't seem to much benefit (especially when compared to night) being as it ends discussion sooner in favor of night where killers typically reign.MudPuppy wrote:@Sausage... I doubt Jak is the Clock. He probably truly is Ang... I just don't get the feeling that Ang is Town-aligned. It definitely could be an associate of his... but I am guessing the Clock is Town-aligned (since he presumably prevented Mafia actions last night) while I'm guessing Jak is not... so, based on that, I'll assume Jak has nothing to do with the Clock.
A player in the horse game on Day 1 would have wanted to end the day whenever they could guarantee they had a horse.Whatsausage wrote:I had that thought as well, but I struggle with a town-aligned role ending a day early. There doesn't seem to much benefit (especially when compared to night) being as it ends discussion sooner in favor of night where killers typically reign.MudPuppy wrote:@Sausage... I doubt Jak is the Clock. He probably truly is Ang... I just don't get the feeling that Ang is Town-aligned. It definitely could be an associate of his... but I am guessing the Clock is Town-aligned (since he presumably prevented Mafia actions last night) while I'm guessing Jak is not... so, based on that, I'll assume Jak has nothing to do with the Clock.
I guess when I look at it, it makes more sense for it to be jak or someone aligned with him. Unless the day and night early ends have to be dine together, I don't see another faction that would have benefitted from both of the early endings.
I wouldn't worry about him. He'll either get prodded and come back, get replaced, or maybe the horse guy could be nice and start picking off inactives. I'd keep tabs on him and see how he gets handled.Iron Butterfly wrote:Illunvote vote Betiko
So you used your vig action before you could be killed? STUPID. I understand the fear of death but it really is something that we can not control in many respects. Some times the best course of action is to just be quiet and lay low when you have something more tangible to work with. You want to change your meta start with that.
Your only saving grace right now...well two actually, as others have suggested I doubt if you were mafia you would admit you killed Zivel. The other is that Betiko is mia and has not posted.
vote betiko
DoomYoshi wrote:Test it on me. Tree stump is my favorite role anyway lol. Next time I am picking Wispy Woods as my character.
I am certainly not worried. As others have stated he is active on site but not this game. He has always been vocal as a player. He is either playing or not. If he IS playing he needs to step up and soon.sheepofdumb wrote:I wouldn't worry about him. He'll either get prodded and come back, get replaced, or maybe the horse guy could be nice and start picking off inactives. I'd keep tabs on him and see how he gets handled.Iron Butterfly wrote:Illunvote vote Betiko
So you used your vig action before you could be killed? STUPID. I understand the fear of death but it really is something that we can not control in many respects. Some times the best course of action is to just be quiet and lay low when you have something more tangible to work with. You want to change your meta start with that.
Your only saving grace right now...well two actually, as others have suggested I doubt if you were mafia you would admit you killed Zivel. The other is that Betiko is mia and has not posted.
vote betiko

I understand your point of view and I'm willing to back down on my affirmation that scum would never employ this tatic but it's pretty ballsy/gutsy, no? I think you're starting from a place of mind that presumes Jak is guilty. I know this isn't a courtroom so ppl don't get the benefit of being innocent before being found guilty.aage wrote:Yes, it does. Imagine you were scum and just claimed JOAT. You haven't said anything about your abilities except that there are four. The next night, your mafia team kills one of the other players (perhaps even on Jak's urgings - it wouldn't strike me as strange if Jak would immediately try to take the upper hand in a 48-hour night with some people breathing down his neck) which gives you an excellent opportunity to claim that you used 'the only ability that would yield result'. Or, to put it differently: it is the only action that the town knows to have transpired, since pcm posted the death scene with absolutely no indication as to the intentions of Zivel's killer(s).kgb007 wrote:It make no sense for him to claim the zivel kill if he were scum.
It's beautiful on several levels. First of all, nobody can call you a liar based on whether you actually put in the action, because Zivel clearly is dead. Secondly, anyone tracking you will have actually seen you visit Zivel if you put in the kill, so nobody can call you a liar based on whether you had anything to do with the murder. Lastly, you cannot be asked to use the kill ability again to 'prove' your towniness, because you already have.
So yes, it would make sense.
Of course, me laying out the scenario like this doesn't prove anything regarding Jak's alignments but I hope you understand why I don't buy the "he wouldn't dare"-argument.
Commander9 wrote:Trust Edoc, as I know he's VERY good.
zimmah wrote:Mind like a brick.

You already have a horse, you greedy horse thief.Iron Butterfly wrote:Edocsil that's my horse
That's all you have to say today?????sheepofdumb wrote:I wouldn't worry about him. He'll either get prodded and come back, get replaced, or maybe the horse guy could be nice and start picking off inactives. I'd keep tabs on him and see how he gets handled.Iron Butterfly wrote:Illunvote vote Betiko
So you used your vig action before you could be killed? STUPID. I understand the fear of death but it really is something that we can not control in many respects. Some times the best course of action is to just be quiet and lay low when you have something more tangible to work with. You want to change your meta start with that.
Your only saving grace right now...well two actually, as others have suggested I doubt if you were mafia you would admit you killed Zivel. The other is that Betiko is mia and has not posted.
vote betiko