What is Obama's Faith?

[Woodruff]

I personally believe that gays should not be married (religiously).

I personally believe that gays should be married for state/federal purposes.

I personally believe that politicians change their views on various issues in order to get elected. And I personally believe that this is not just Democrats.

Honestly, the president (Obama) clearly did this for political reasons. I'm not sure I really care. Now, you're going to post something about how flip-flopping shows a lack of leadership skills or how we can't rely on anything he says, or something like that. And yeah, that's not a good thing. But you can't criticize him for this and then also defend Mittens for doing similar things (like, for example, his view on abortion or government-run health insurance).

It shows he cannot be trusted. But... I was pretty sure we already knew that??

And I wouldn't worry about me defending Mitt, as that has not happened and there is no reason to bring that up because the closest I will come to "defending" Mitt is to say he is not a Socialist

But wait...you're condemning Obama for doing something for political purposes ("he can't be trusted"), but you seem to fail to notice the same thing in Romney (at least, you seem to still be voting for him)?

[PLAYER57832]

The two statements are 100% contradictory. I don't know where you come up with "allowing gay marriage is in the best interest of society"...so, where did you get that version of events? Greek, since you somehow agree, you can chime in too.

Hey, I will, because I agree as well.

See, my religion is MY religion. I don't expect it to be the standard for the United States government in fact having religion as the standard is, historically, a very frightening prospect because even if it sounds fine initially and the initial tenents are agreeable to many... such governments wind up becoming oppressive and even fanatical. Far better to say "just keep religion nuetral" and base laws on things that are needed for practical reasons for us to exist as a society and for people's basic rights to be respected.

ONE of those fundamental rights is, of course, the right for each of us to practice our respective religions, but not for you to decide that your religion is superior and "the one" that should be respected.

I don't have to agree with homosexuality, think homosexuals should marry in my church or take any similar position. Yet, I can very much say that our society has no right to stand in the way of two people who love each other marrying and gaining the same basic legal benefits I get.

As a very practical matter, homosexuals already adopt and have children, get sick, etc. It would benefit society to have them marry as much as it would to have heterosexuals marry.

Both greekdog and I have essentially agreed on a related point.. that either the government recognizes all unions or none. I have drawn the line at multiple partner marriages, because the practical reasons are not the same, but that gets off topic.

[Phatscotty]

But who are you to draw the line??? I could likewise, very much say, that our society has no right to stand in the way of 3 people getting married.

You really think that once we break the seal on traditional marriage, everything will be okay and nobody else will want to push the new envelope?

[Woodruff]

But who are you to draw the line??? I could likewise, very much say, that our society has no right to stand in the way of 3 people getting married.

You really think that once we break the seal on traditional marriage, everything will be okay and nobody else will want to push the new envelope?

In a fascinating set of developments, that's often how actual progress often has the opportunity to be made!

Stop living in fear of what MAY happen, Phatscotty.

Also, there is no "breaking the seal on traditional marriage" and I wish you'd stop spewing that bigoted garbage. It's not even an American tradition, as it was common practice among the native Americans (many of whom considered homosexuals to be sacred).

[Woodruff]

You really think that once we break the seal on traditional marriage, everything will be okay and nobody else will want to push the new envelope?

[Phatscotty]

Correct Answer: Messiah!

Like some of us have always said, they seriously do believe Obama was the messiah, which explains how he and Democrats can do no wrong. Remember we used to joke about Obama 'the Chosen one'.....ha! Many have denied that and mocked it and ridiculed it, but some big timeLiberals are actually publicly admitting they thought he was the messiah. That should show those people are still years behind in knowledge of what is going on. Extrapolate that into their views on the politics and the crises and the bills and the debates, they are walking blind without a cane. And look how long it came for them to come around. Their fellow journalists have been jailed, it's the least transparent administration of all time, Obamacare is a total flop, foreign policy has been turned on it's head, even ignoring the 'youtube video is responsible for Benghazi uprising' can only be explained by thinking Obama is a God.


Oh, here it is, Barbara Walters admits "we thought Obama was the next messiah"

For people full of rage or who possess little to no tolerance, yes it's a Glenn Beck clip, but Walters spills the beans in the first 45 seconds

[BigBallinStalin]

What an asshat.

[Metsfanmax]

Communism

[Phatscotty]

People who believe Obama is a secret Muslim scored some legitimacy points yesterday.

[Phatscotty]

uhhhh, which, of course, means people cannot have an opinion different from their great great grandfather????

What an insanely stupid point to attempt

[AndyDufresne]

uhhhh, which, of course, means people cannot have an opinion different from their great great grandfather????

What an insanely stupid point to attempt

Indeed. But digging this topic out of the heap. Well.


--Andy

[warmonger1981]

I thought Obama was the Anti-Christ. Well at least for Republicans. He is actually a science experience. Born from a test tube to be the manchurian candidate.

[AndyDufresne]

I thought Obama was the Anti-Christ. Well at least for Republicans. He is actually a science experience. Born from a test tube to be the manchurian candidate.

I think we're all science experiences.


--Andy

[Phatscotty]

I thought Obama was the Anti-Christ. Well at least for Republicans. He is actually a science experience. Born from a test tube to be the manchurian candidate.

well, Obama was born a Muslim, and he kept his Muslim name. Usually converts change their name to reflect their faith. Also, when the prisoner exchange went down Bergdahl's father spoke from the rose garden at the white house, you don't have to look to hard to notice Obama impressively smiling when Mr. Bergdahl started speaking Arabic.



I'll bet a large sum of money Obama 'converts' to Islam at some point in the future

[notyou2]

Obama's faith, is faith in the American people, including conspiracy nuts Phatscotty.

I actually believe he is atheist or agnostic. He will never admit either as due to his high public profile he would not want to influence impressionable people.

[Dukasaur]

I suspect Obama is actually a Scientologist.

What does this change?

[muy_thaiguy]

I say, why the f*ck should it matter what his religion is? I don't really care as it doesn't have much standing for being competant in his job. He's a politician, just like the other guys in Washington. Meaning he's says a lot of words without actually saying anything, or doesn't stick to what he says he'll do (as many other politicans have done, including old, rich, white guys that were in office before him).

Scotty is just showing off how bigoted he is again. Oh, and how he like's to discriminate people too (as evidenced by this thread and his worshipping of the FAUX rabble-rouser).

Does this mean I like Obama? No, not really. Didn't vote for him either time and only thought of him as slightly more competant than the Republican candidate, which isn't saying much, unfortunetly.

[Phatscotty]

Obama's faith, is faith in the American people, including conspiracy nuts Phatscotty.

I actually believe he is atheist or agnostic. He will never admit either as due to his high public profile he would not want to influence impressionable people.

So you admit your boy Obama lies about his faith, but it's other people who are messed up?

That's exactly how skitzo's think

[Phatscotty]

I say, why the f*ck should it matter what his religion is? I don't really care as it doesn't have much standing for being competant in his job. He's a politician, just like the other guys in Washington. Meaning he's says a lot of words without actually saying anything, or doesn't stick to what he says he'll do (as many other politicans have done, including old, rich, white guys that were in office before him).

Scotty is just showing off how bigoted he is again. Oh, and how he like's to discriminate people too (as evidenced by this thread and his worshipping of the FAUX rabble-rouser).

Does this mean I like Obama? No, not really. Didn't vote for him either time and only thought of him as slightly more competant than the Republican candidate, which isn't saying much, unfortunetly.

That is true, it should not matter what his religion is. So then, why does Obama need to lie?

It's the fact that Obama lies about his religion that matters. It has nothing to do with bigotry or discrimination. It has everything to do with a liar. How can you not see that? Oh, cuz you think everything can be answer by if someone watches FOX news or not. I can't think of a more idiotic argument. I don't even watch FOX news, and I have no idea who you are talking about that I worship, which means you are dumb. But hey, according to your hypocritical point, I could just lie about it, and then you would have to argue it doesn't matter what I worship. Talk about sticking your foot in your mouth?!?!

But yeah Muythai, great point. Why should we need to know anything about our president. Why should it matter that he lies about what he believes in? It's scary to think you are serious.

[Dukasaur]

I say, why the f*ck should it matter what his religion is? I don't really care as it doesn't have much standing for being competant in his job. He's a politician, just like the other guys in Washington. Meaning he's says a lot of words without actually saying anything, or doesn't stick to what he says he'll do (as many other politicans have done, including old, rich, white guys that were in office before him).

Scotty is just showing off how bigoted he is again. Oh, and how he like's to discriminate people too (as evidenced by this thread and his worshipping of the FAUX rabble-rouser).

Does this mean I like Obama? No, not really. Didn't vote for him either time and only thought of him as slightly more competant than the Republican candidate, which isn't saying much, unfortunetly.

That is true, it should not matter what his religion is. So then, why does Obama need to lie?

It's the fact that Obama lies about his religion that matters. It has nothing to do with bigotry or discrimination. It has everything to do with a liar. How can you not see that? Oh, cuz you think everything can be answer by if someone watches FOX news or not. I can't think of a more idiotic argument. I don't even watch FOX news, and I have no idea who you are talking about that I worship, which means you are dumb. But hey, according to your hypocritical point, I could just lie about it, and then you would have to argue it doesn't matter what I worship. Talk about sticking your foot in your mouth?!?!

But yeah Muythai, great point. Why should we need to know anything about our president. Why should it matter that he lies about what he believes in? It's scary to think you are serious.

Hear now the words of the Lord.

5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Do not question what a man says to his God in the confines of his closet. It is, to put it bluntly, none of your fucking business.

Nothing is more repugnant to true Christians than the ceaseless media circus whereby political candidates are expected to publicly proclaim their faith and righteousness. Now, I am no fan of Obama to be sure, but I sure hope he is lying. Unfortunately, the only valid answer to people who would question his faith is "None of your fucking business!" or "Go blow a dead goat!" but answers like that would not fly. Too many hypocrites have made their false righteousness an election issue.

The U.S. Constitution prohibits any religious test for political office. That should be the end of the issue, and every candidate who is asked about their religion should refuse to discuss it. Unfortunately, once one candidate has made his religion into an election issue, it pollutes the water for everyone and puts undue pressure on others to follow suit. If you care about the underpinnings of the republic as you claim to, you should abstain asking this question, and you should shun anyone who does ask this question.

[mrswdk]

Freedom isn't free.

[notyou2]

Obama's faith, is faith in the American people, including conspiracy nuts Phatscotty.

I actually believe he is atheist or agnostic. He will never admit either as due to his high public profile he would not want to influence impressionable people.

So you admit your boy Obama lies about his faith, but it's other people who are messed up?

That's exactly how skitzo's think

Obama is not "my boy". However, he is an excellent speaker and I believe he is doing a decent enough job under the circumstances.

I also believe his faith matters not one iota. However, you clearly think his faith is an issue. Apparently you are some sort of bigot for thinking this as he has clearly not pushed his faith on the people and you seem to think he should.

You also seem to be a gossipy old woman as this directly affects you in no way, shape or form.

Don't you have some knitting to do?

[muy_thaiguy]

I say, why the f*ck should it matter what his religion is? I don't really care as it doesn't have much standing for being competant in his job. He's a politician, just like the other guys in Washington. Meaning he's says a lot of words without actually saying anything, or doesn't stick to what he says he'll do (as many other politicans have done, including old, rich, white guys that were in office before him).

Scotty is just showing off how bigoted he is again. Oh, and how he like's to discriminate people too (as evidenced by this thread and his worshipping of the FAUX rabble-rouser).

Does this mean I like Obama? No, not really. Didn't vote for him either time and only thought of him as slightly more competant than the Republican candidate, which isn't saying much, unfortunetly.

That is true, it should not matter what his religion is. So then, why does Obama need to lie?

So, why do you need to obsess over someone's private beliefs? I thought that was supposed to be a big thing for people like you, but apparently that's only when it suits your own purpose.

It's the fact that Obama lies about his religion that matters. It has nothing to do with bigotry or discrimination. It has everything to do with a liar. How can you not see that? Oh, cuz you think everything can be answer by if someone watches FOX news or not. I can't think of a more idiotic argument. I don't even watch FOX news, and I have no idea who you are talking about that I worship, which means you are dumb. But hey, according to your hypocritical point, I could just lie about it, and then you would have to argue it doesn't matter what I worship. Talk about sticking your foot in your mouth?!?!

You really think Obama is the ONLY politician that lies about these things? Wow. Naive and ignorant. Naive because you latch on to Glenn Beck's every word (the rabble-rouser) and believe it true, and ignorant because you single out Obama simply because of his name and/or skin color. Beck is a mouth piece that only serves to talk and get people like you angry for little reason other than to profit from it. Hell, you would have had a tantrum, Beck to, if George Washington ran because he was a Deist!

But yeah Muythai, great point. Why should we need to know anything about our president. Why should it matter that he lies about what he believes in? It's scary to think you are serious.

Okay, spill everything about your own private life, belief system, etc. You apparently think Obama's personal life should be on display (taking the oath of Presidency in no way means he should have to tell you his own religious beliefs, which shouldn't even have a stake in being President or even a stake in someone considering running for President).

Why are you so obsessed with a guy's personal life? And if it is not hurting you and/or not illegal, why the f*ck should you care? Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Zorastian, Hindu, Buddhist, Athiest, Taoist, or whatever, it's not pertinent to being President and it's not making your life hell. All it is, is pointless obsession based off a rabble-rouser or your own bigoted views coming to light.

[Phatscotty]

nah, I don't believe Obama is the only one who lies about his faith.
nah, I have some issues with Glenn Beck. The truth is he is the only one going out and getting interviews with certain people on certain topics. I'm not a big fan of attacking the messenger, since it basically telegraphs ya don't know jack shit.

If I was running for public office, asking people to support me and my policies, my belief system would be under scrutiny, and rightly so. You may think it's okay for someone to ask for support and money and votes without knowing the most basic beliefs, wanna talk about naive and ignorant? HAHA pff what a joke!

Sounds like you don't even know anything about Glenn Beck, which is quite the norm for the Beck haters. You still think he works at FOX? You aren't qualified to have an opinion on Glenn Beck since you clearly don't know shit. He quit FOX years ago. If that's the ridiculous route you want to go, why not call out CNN, since he worked there years ago as well? pff And you are trying to make this a partisan thing, which shows again you don't know shit, as more than half of the Democrats are of the same opinion on the Bergdahl issue as Republicans are. Even Hillary Clinton. So yeah, turn it all into a Glenn Beck thing. What a joke dude! LMFAO!

Is your quote from Ralph Nader? btw, I have issues with Nader too, but I would still vote for him again.

[AndyDufresne]

If I was running for public office

Please do.


--Andy