Young Earth: The Evidence

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:59 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8#t=1507

waauw · Post by **waauw** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:26 pm

jay_a2j wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8#t=1507

I haven't even watched 2 minutes and he has already made a mistake...
The guy acts as if the scientific community claims the universe started out of nothing. Bullshit!
Nobody says that.

WILLIAMS5232 · Post by **WILLIAMS5232** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 8:54 pm

yeah, i watched about 3 minutes there for a bit. this guy is a weirdo. going to be hard to gain any reasonable credibility if you act like a weirdo right off the bat. ask the ufo guys... and the bigfoot guys.

jonesthecurl · Post by **jonesthecurl** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:02 pm

...and jay...

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Jan 20, 2015 9:20 pm

--Andy

DaGip · Post by **DaGip** » Wed Jan 21, 2015 10:54 pm

jay_a2j wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8#t=1507

http://www.treysnutshell.com/smith-trey.html

jonesthecurl · Post by **jonesthecurl** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:58 am

Long-time comic book fans will of course know that Mike Murdoch is actually Daredevil's fictitious twin brother.

Phatscotty · Post by **Phatscotty** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:02 am

waauw wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8#t=1507
I haven't even watched 2 minutes and he has already made a mistake...
The guy acts as if the scientific community claims the universe started out of nothing. Bullshit!
Nobody says that.

So....then every single person on the earth believes in God/supreme being/higher power?

waauw · Post by **waauw** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:46 am

Phatscotty wrote:
waauw wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8#t=1507
I haven't even watched 2 minutes and he has already made a mistake...
The guy acts as if the scientific community claims the universe started out of nothing. Bullshit!
Nobody says that.
So....then every single person on the earth believes in God/supreme being/higher power?

Naturally, we also all believe there are giant easterbunny's hopping around somewhere. Not sure what they do before and after easter though.

betiko · Post by **betiko** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:56 am

is the guy in the OP serious? damn internet wierdos.

Phatscotty · Post by **Phatscotty** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:35 am

waauw wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
waauw wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lktmmd7YnD8#t=1507
I haven't even watched 2 minutes and he has already made a mistake...
The guy acts as if the scientific community claims the universe started out of nothing. Bullshit!
Nobody says that.
So....then every single person on the earth believes in God/supreme being/higher power?
Naturally, we also all believe there are giant easterbunny's hopping around somewhere. Not sure what they do before and after easter though.

Cept I wasn't asking you about the Easter Bunny. You stated nobody believes that nothing was created from nothing, so I'm asking if you are aware that also means everybody thinks there was 'something' when there was 'nothing'

FYI, I don't know anything about young earth except that a chick I used to date was raised 'young earth' for the first 7 years of her life

waauw · Post by **waauw** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:21 am

Phatscotty wrote: Cept I wasn't asking you about the Easter Bunny. You stated nobody believes that nothing was created from nothing, so I'm asking if you are aware that also means everybody thinks there was 'something' when there was 'nothing'

FYI, I don't know anything about young earth except that a chick I used to date was raised 'young earth' for the first 7 years of her life

I didn't say 'nobody believes nothing was created from nothing'.
I said 'nobody in the scientific community believes the universe was created from nothing'.
And yes I am aware that this sentence is to be interpretted relatively as there will always be exceptions. I'm talking about the respected scientist in todays world.

_sabotage_ · Post by **_sabotage_** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:27 am

Respected scientists in the world.

And what do they believe the universe came from? How are we to conclude the are "respected"? Since there is zero evidence, how can their opinion be deemed scientific?

I don't believe in young earth, I do believe God created the universe.

notyou2 · Post by **notyou2** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:43 am

_sabotage_ wrote:Respected scientists in the world.

And what do they believe the universe came from? How are we to conclude the are "respected"? Since there is zero evidence, how can their opinion be deemed scientific?

I don't believe in young earth, I do believe God created the universe.

Which god? And by that I mean who's god? There are many and every one of them claims to be the only one, all others are imposters.

_sabotage_ · Post by **_sabotage_** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:00 am

If God is everything all the time in all place, as Islam, Judaism and Christianity maintain, then your question is somewhat nonsensical.

Essentially the scientific belief that there is multiverse generator attempts to explain the improbability of life, which could be explained in another less arbitrary way, by saying it was designed to produce life. Neither is scientific, but one uses observable data.

waauw · Post by **waauw** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:00 am

_sabotage_ wrote:Respected scientists in the world.

And what do they believe the universe came from? How are we to conclude the are "respected"? Since there is zero evidence, how can their opinion be deemed scientific?

I don't believe in young earth, I do believe God created the universe.

Nobody ever said they were proven. A true scientific model will offer at the very least a theoretical basis founded on mathematical formulas and actual knowledge of physics. For instance the 'loop quantum gravity' theory(LQG).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quant ... et_algebra

Conversely theists suggest the universe was just *Poof* created out of nothing. Offering absolutely no rational argumentation whatsoever.

Army of GOD · Post by **Army of GOD** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:10 am

holy shit a jay sighting

_sabotage_ · Post by **_sabotage_** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:05 pm

waauw wrote:
_sabotage_ wrote:Respected scientists in the world.

And what do they believe the universe came from? How are we to conclude the are "respected"? Since there is zero evidence, how can their opinion be deemed scientific?

I don't believe in young earth, I do believe God created the universe.
Nobody ever said they were proven. A true scientific model will offer at the very least a theoretical basis founded on mathematical formulas and actual knowledge of physics. For instance the 'loop quantum gravity' theory(LQG).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quant ... et_algebra

Conversely theists suggest the universe was just *Poof* created out of nothing. Offering absolutely no rational argumentation whatsoever.

Doesn't the Big Bang theory and the multiverse theory have the same problems?

As for offering theories with a mathematical basis:

http://www.nature.com/news/simulations- ... am-1.14328

Here's one.

Metsfanmax · Post by **Metsfanmax** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:11 pm

Everyone's a physicist.

DoomYoshi · Post by **DoomYoshi** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:17 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:Everyone's a physicist.

I'm not.

waauw · Post by **waauw** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 2:28 pm

_sabotage_ wrote:
waauw wrote:
_sabotage_ wrote:Respected scientists in the world.

And what do they believe the universe came from? How are we to conclude the are "respected"? Since there is zero evidence, how can their opinion be deemed scientific?

I don't believe in young earth, I do believe God created the universe.
Nobody ever said they were proven. A true scientific model will offer at the very least a theoretical basis founded on mathematical formulas and actual knowledge of physics. For instance the 'loop quantum gravity' theory(LQG).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loop_quant ... et_algebra

Conversely theists suggest the universe was just *Poof* created out of nothing. Offering absolutely no rational argumentation whatsoever.
Doesn't the Big Bang theory and the multiverse theory have the same problems?

As for offering theories with a mathematical basis:

http://www.nature.com/news/simulations- ... am-1.14328

Here's one.

Honestly I don't see your point.
Please make your argument more precise.

_sabotage_ · Post by **_sabotage_** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:00 pm

My point is that if there was something, it came from somewhere. The result that that something had was to create human life. Speaking of mathematics, we then have a problem which we can deal with in two ways:

1. Human life was designed.

This deals with the improbability of life coming about.

2. A multiverse generator.

This uses utterly unobservable data to account for the improbability of life.

Please do not try to state your theory is more respectable or scientific than concluding God created all.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:09 pm

_sabotage_ wrote: Please do not try to state your theory is more respectable or scientific than concluding God created all.

--Andy

thegreekdog · Post by **thegreekdog** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:25 pm

_sabotage_ wrote:2. A multiverse generator.

I heard Google is working on this.

waauw · Post by **waauw** » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:42 pm

_sabotage_ wrote:My point is that if there was something, it came from somewhere. The result that that something had was to create human life. Speaking of mathematics, we then have a problem which we can deal with in two ways:

1. Human life was designed.

This deals with the improbability of life coming about.

2. A multiverse generator.

This uses utterly unobservable data to account for the improbability of life.

Please do not try to state your theory is more respectable or scientific than concluding God created all.

1. It deals with the improbability of life coming about? Are you kidding me?
We don't even know for certain how probable it is to have life. Though some things are for certain. For instance the vastness of the universe has an enormously positive influence on the drake equation.
Not to mention that there has been proof, though not conclusive yet, that life started out in outer space(fossilized bacteria found on a meteorite which fell on earth somewhere in India). There has been proof that there are a lot of planets in the universe which have viable living conditions.

2. Yes these theories are more probable than a god creating all. These theories are at least based on laws of nature that are observable. The variables in the equations aren't just jibberish. I find it also noteworthy that from what we can observe on earth, life especially intelligent life is one of final steps in planetary development. According to observations it takes certain conditions to have larger organisms exist.
This is opposite to your creationist theory, of which I once againt iterate, has no foundation except for some untrustworthy texts.

Lastly I'd like to point out that yes indeed something has to come from something. This applies to your deity too.
And assuming you're going to argue that your God is eternal, I'd proactively point out that you may as well skip a step then and say the universe is eternal.

ps: I'm not stipulating that creationism is impossible. I am rather saying it is improbable as opposed to other theories.

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