Godless European traffic lights

[notyou2]

Oneyed, what does cornhole mean?

I am sure you realize that in English oneyed is a euphemism for cock. You chose cock as your name. Are you gay?

[waauw]

Goranz, did Putin let you out of the pet box again?

[AndyDufresne]

I know Andy want to keep hugging my nuts. The only time this gay monkey comes out of the closet is to ask someone take the dildo out your ass. So Serbia go help your bitch. You having never said anything remotely productive or intelligent. I see you pulled out your jazz hands.

I feel you spent too much time on the knees infront of the Andy.

Oneyed

Andy Dufresne is a monkey... He likes his ass to be red

Warmonger, oneyed, goranz -- the trifecta!




--Andy

[warmonger1981]

BTW I'll be teaching you folks how to swallow because your faces will be at the base of my shaft and when I unload there's no other place for it to go other than down the throat. I'm surprised I was that influential on you Jones that you actually remember that rant I gave a long time ago. Was it scarring to your emotional psyche? Did you take a cold shower as you cried in your liberal lovers butt?

[betiko]

BTW I'll be teaching you folks how to swallow because your faces will be at the base of my shaft and when I unload there's no other place for it to go other than down the throat. I'm surprised I was that influential on you Jones that you actually remember that rant I gave a long time ago. Was it scarring to your emotional psyche? Did you take a cold shower as you cried in your liberal lovers butt?

Lol... And you call others gay?

I would under any circumstances encourage other men to be at the base of my shaft, and that would probably not make me come anyways. But if that s your thing, good for you.

[patches70]

Patches source is ageofconsent.com

I don't know what that is, this "ageofconsent.com". I typed that into my google browser and it was a defunct website that hasn't had any activity since 1998 or something like that. So I went ahead and looked up the actual age of consent laws for New Mexico. Age of consent is New Mexico is 17. The only special provisions are in terms of employee boss, school and such relations, which are more strict.

Here is the actual law in New Mexico with a link for you-
http://law.justia.com/newmexico/codes/n ... -c28b.html

Spoiler

30-9-11. Criminal sexual penetration.

A. Criminal sexual penetration is the unlawful and intentional causing of a person to engage in sexual intercourse, cunnilingus, fellatio or anal intercourse or the causing of penetration, to any extent and with any object, of the genital or anal openings of another, whether or not there is any emission.

B. Criminal sexual penetration does not include medically indicated procedures.

C. Criminal sexual penetration in the first degree consists of all sexual penetration perpetrated:

(1) on a child under thirteen years of age; or

(2) by the use of force or coercion that results in great bodily harm or great mental anguish to the victim.

Whoever commits criminal sexual penetration in the first degree is guilty of a first degree felony.

D. Criminal sexual penetration in the second degree consists of all criminal sexual penetration perpetrated:

(1) on a child thirteen to eighteen years of age when the perpetrator is in a position of authority over the child and uses this authority to coerce the child to submit;

(2) on an inmate confined in a correctional facility or jail when the perpetrator is in a position of authority over the inmate;

(3) by the use of force or coercion that results in personal injury to the victim;

(4) by the use of force or coercion when the perpetrator is aided or abetted by one or more persons;

(5) in the commission of any other felony; or

(6) when the perpetrator is armed with a deadly weapon.

Whoever commits criminal sexual penetration in the second degree, is guilty of a second degree felony. Whoever commits criminal sexual penetration in the second degree when the victim is a child who is thirteen to eighteen years of age is guilty of a second degree felony for a sexual offense against a child and, notwithstanding the provisions of Section 31-18-15 NMSA 1978, shall be sentenced to a minimum term of imprisonment of three years, which shall not be suspended or deferred. The imposition of a minimum, mandatory term of imprisonment pursuant to the provisions of this subsection shall not be interpreted to preclude the imposition of sentencing enhancements pursuant to the provisions of Sections 31-18-17, 31-18-25 and 31-18-26 NMSA 1978.

E. Criminal sexual penetration in the third degree consists of all criminal sexual penetration perpetrated through the use of force or coercion.

Whoever commits criminal sexual penetration in the third degree is guilty of a third degree felony. Whoever commits criminal sexual penetration in the third degree when the victim is a child who is thirteen to eighteen years of age is guilty of a third degree felony for a sexual offense against a child.

F. Criminal sexual penetration in the fourth degree consists of all criminal sexual penetration:

(1) not defined in Subsections C through E of this section perpetrated on a child thirteen to sixteen years of age when the perpetrator is at least eighteen years of age and is at least four years older than the child and not the spouse of that child; or

(2) perpetrated on a child thirteen to eighteen years of age when the perpetrator, who is a licensed school employee, an unlicensed school employee, a school contract employee, a school health service provider or a school volunteer, and who is at least eighteen years of age and is at least four years older than the child and not the spouse of that child, learns while performing services in or for a school that the child is a student in a school.

The law deals with children the ages of 13-16. Those younger than 13 are subject to another set of laws, which are of even graver punishment. The reason that 13 is cited is because that's about the time of puberty. Without said language specific, one could argue that once a person hits puberty then they are physically capable of sexual activity, and thus consensual sex with those who are capable of sexual activity is thus not unlawful. That's a good point, BTW, but in the US its not just if a person is physically capable of having sexual relations (i.e. hitting puberty) but also psychologically and emotionally ready. In the view of New Mexico law those between the ages of 13-16 even though their bodies or physically capable and ready for sexual intercourse they are not yet at the age where they can give informed consent as such. Thus it is unlawful.

This includes homosexual acts.

In other words dude, this statement-

In New Mexico age of consent between two heterosexual is 18. Age of consent in same state for gay sex is 13.

is factually incorrect. Probably from a misreading or misunderstanding of the age of consent laws and criminal sexual penetration laws.

As to the OP and the gay traffic lights, Seems a bit ridiculous to me, but whatever, Europeans are a different sort of people. Maybe it makes sense to them.

[betiko]

Europeans are a different sort of people. Maybe it makes sense to them.

yes I guess we are "different kind of people"

[patches70]

Betiko, you know there are always double edges to such things, right? You hold your head high because teen pregnancies are lower in France than the US. What's also true is that birth rates in France (and most European nations) are lower than what is needed to actually sustain the population. Thus Europe relies on immigration, immigrants who don't suffer the low birth rates of the people in the nations they are moving into. In a generation or two Frenchmen won't be Frenchmen anymore, they'll be descendants of the immigrant population who might not necessarily hold the same values as you or the people who aren't having babies. This leads to certain problems that you can ignore today future generations will have to deal with.

Not to mention that welfare states require more people to be born into them to support the aging populations leaving the work force. This leads to a tightening of resources. Fewer and fewer people able to take care of the needs of those who are no longer able to produce because of age.
These and other problems are going to cause a whole lot of harm down the road but since we are all so used to kicking the can down the road and worrying about stupid things like traffic lights I don't expect many to understand the tradeoffs.

Yeah, you have a lower teen pregnancy (I guess), which I suppose you must think is a bad thing. Thus you imply that you've solved one problem but you turn a blind eye to the problems that stem from the solving of the first supposed problem.

But whatever, if you feel the need to post things to make your nationality to be perceived as somehow better than some other nationality, ok I guess. Whatever makes you feel better is all right by me, but it does seem a bit nationalistic, short sighted and frankly ignorant. Kind of like "See! My country is better than yours!" where all I'm saying is that Europeans think differently than non Europeans. That's not a bad thing, Europeans can think however they want, its not a big deal.
The traffic lights are ridiculous. Apparently you don't think they are so ridiculous and that's fine, but why do you somehow find the need to try and imply that your nation is somehow better than mine because "less babies"?

Dude, that is kind of psycho thinking. Something definitely wrong with your brain somehow, a bit defensive. Overly so IMO. Hell, if one is going to have a baby, best to get it done with earlier in life rather than later, but it all depends on the individual.

One thing is for sure, touting how your people are having less babies than some other peoples ain't something you should be particularly proud about if you consider human nature. Its all good until your in the minority, then it starts getting messy. At the birth rates Europe is managing pretty soon there is going to be 3 or 4 retired (and thus not producing) people for every 1 working person who ends up having to work not just to support him/her self but also provide for 2, 3 or 4 older people who have already put in their time providing for just 1 retired person during their working years.

Dude, open your eyes. Its all about trade offs, do try not to ignore them.

[JBlombier]

I have so many thoughts on this matter and would love to enlighten you all.
But these traffic lights intrigued me and I think the graphic designer did quite a good job, so I'm just looking at that for the moment.

I'll leave it at this, because there's too much bullshit and too much truth in this thread already. More of it won't make it better. If some advice should be offered, it's this:
Keep discussing the traffic lights and let the gay discussion go. Both parties know they will never convince the other. "It's how they are raised and they are ignorant because of it", just tell yourself that. It's true, you must've thought it if you were discussing here. It's a painful discussion without any definitive truth, so just let it go.

- JBlombier

[betiko]

I wonder if I should just reply "lol".
Yeah, that s what I m going to do, feel free to do some research and to reread your post to figure the insane amount of ironies in your diatribe.

Edit: that was a reply to patches.

[waauw]

@patches almost everything you mentioned is equally appliable on the US

[muy_thaiguy]

Well, that was interesting.
warmonger flipping out at Andy for posting slightly trolling gifs that don't actually cause any harm.
mrs. wdk siding with the more open minded Western Europeans than the Eastern ones, again.
"Oneeyed" learning the "hard" way that in the West, "one eyed" is a euphemism for penis, and also showing his disdain for homosexuals that seems apparent to everyone but him.
Goranz piping in with more Russian propaganda than Russia's PBS (Putin Broadcasting System).
And Andy posting various gifs simply making light of the conversation in general.

[betiko]

@patches almost everything you mentioned is equally appliable on the US

The people living in north america such as patches are all immigrants, mostly 3-4 generations tops.

[patches70]

@patches almost everything you mentioned is equally appliable on the US

Sure, I've never said the US is better than anyone else. Betiko is the one who has to try and throw up defensive walls about how is country is better than the US. Its like a puppy dog mentality.

The traffic light in the OP is ridiculous. That's what I think. Its not needed, its at best pandering to the lowest denominator. That's my opinion. Europeans apparently see it a different way, because well they are Europeans and they see the world differently in general than people in the US (i.e. me). Who is right? Why, both of course! It is ridiculous. You didn't see me going on anti gay tirades like others <cough cough> warmonger.
You didn't see me posting statistics showing that the US is better than France in some ridiculous way like <cough> <cough> betiko. As if I'd somehow impugned the honor of France or some shit which is how I'm perceiving Betiko taking it.

That's all I'm saying man, and that betiko's "statistics" mean jack shit without any context. And for the record the US' birthrate is hovering just above were sociologists say it should be to maintain a cohesive culture (not sure if that's the right word, maybe identity?), unlike the birth rates of most European countries. So betiko touting how teen birth rates are better than the US' is short sighted.
Nations with aging populations need to be having babies if we want to keep these social safety nets that we all seem to be so proud and fond of. In that like, the more babies teens or anyone is having is a good thing even factoring in the negatives associated.

Every nation on the planet needs young people stepping into the workplace to take the place of the older generation that is leaving the workforce and looking forward to their golden years. Hell, those older folks deserve that IMO, they worked their lives, time for them to reap the benefits of the system that they contributed to their whole lives. The problem is (and this is for the US as well) in a lot of the developing nations there are just fewer and fewer of the next generations being born to take the places of those retiring.
So you got the one hand the people who are urging people to not have children on the one hand, putting pressure on a system the needs those children born to sustain itself. All sorts of unintended consequences start popping up because people like betiko look at a single aspect of something (like teen pregnancies), pat themselves on the back content that they are better than such and such and all the while not contemplating or ignorant of those unintended consequences.

Hey, teen pregnancies can be a problem for some people, but for other people its not a problem. It all depends on the individual's circumstances, which can't be seen which can't be accounted for easily.

Dat's all man, didn't mean to get into some big rigmorall, I just found out that warmonger's assertions were bullshit (I had my doubts from the get go after all), then stated my opinion at the OP and betiko had to go and get all offended because I somehow impugned Europe because I think that traffic light is pandering nothingness.

I tell you what, betiko and waauw, both of your nations are better than my nation at everything under the sun. My country isn't fit to even exist in the bright light that is your nations. Does that make you feel better? I hope so, because guess what? It doesn't make a damn bit of difference either way.

[patches70]

@patches almost everything you mentioned is equally appliable on the US

The people living in north america such as patches are all immigrants, mostly 3-4 generations tops.

Am I now? How about you go ahead and prove your assertion.

[AndyDufresne]

@patches almost everything you mentioned is equally appliable on the US

The people living in north america such as patches are all immigrants, mostly 3-4 generations tops.

Am I now? How about you go ahead and prove your assertion.

Is how things should be written in this topic now.


--Andy

[betiko]

There s so much coocoos on this site, just throw in a graph and a red light and enjoy the show!

Patches, please go on.

[Dukasaur]

Phatscotty hasn't weighed in yet.

[Serbia]

Phatscotty hasn't weighed in yet.

Weird. He's probably still typing his epic response.

Bollocks.

[mrswdk]

You hold your head high because teen pregnancies are lower in France than the US. What's also true is that birth rates in France (and most European nations) are lower than what is needed to actually sustain the population.

That's also true of the US, FYI,

[TA1LGUNN3R]

It's funny how western europeans like to be so middle ages minded.

If I have kids that turn gay, well i'd be happy for them if they could marry and have children.

And no you are likely not born gay.... i've seen twin brothers (real ones) with one being gay and the other straight. 100% same genes and same education. People can do what they want with their own corn hole, if it makes them live happier, I don't see how someone's well being life program is any of our business and how we should feel threatened.

According to some research, some people are born with it others are merely predisposed to have a higher potential of turning gay.

Which research? So is there a gay gene? I've never heard about it. You say, "it" so you are obviously talking about something scientifically observable with a microscope init?

Human sexuality, like so many traits, is governed by more than one gene. Look at skin color--it's cotrolled by several genes and that's why there's such a range of color even within the same population. There likely isn't one gene that makes you gay but rather several factors including genes, hormonal environment, and regular environment.

Using the twin example is not proof of a sans genetic component. Gene expression, even among identical twins, causes variations that are not hardcoded in the dna itself (e.g. fingerprints, height, intelligence, etc.). I've known a handful of twins and there is usually one who is shorter or has a mole, or something. There's a whole field of genetics that deals with this.

Regardless, the relevance of whether there is a genetic component to homosexuality is a null point and not applicable to gay rights. There are tons of things which are "unnatural" (hate that term) which we don't think twice about, yet for some reason a gay lifestyle riles up the weirdos. I don't believe you should have to justify being gay by saying it's hardwired in your dna, just like you shouldn't have to justify any other sexual proclivity or nonsexual lifestyle.

-TG

[betiko]

You hold your head high because teen pregnancies are lower in France than the US. What's also true is that birth rates in France (and most European nations) are lower than what is needed to actually sustain the population.

That's also true of the US, FYI,

Yeah and also fyi patches, europe is not a country. Each has its own specificities. I can tell you that I have friends from many european countries, and my french friends my age have incomparably more kids than my other european friends, they all have 2 or 3. The birth rate is perfectly healthy here, above the 2.1 necessary to maintain the population.
Countries like italy have a dramatically low 1.1 rate.
My point with the previous graph was regarding the conversation about legal age to have sex and shit. Just thought it was funny given the third world figures in the US concerning teenage pregnancy.
Regarding the red light, well it s just some uneventful crap that happened in one city in austria, and seems like a big part of the population wasn t very happy about it. So yeah "those european people" remarks really make you sound like a person really knowing what she s talking about.

Quite funny to read all your mental masturbations started from wrong assumptions about everything, and your conclusions too.

So are you not an immigrant? You're native american then?

[betiko]

It's funny how western europeans like to be so middle ages minded.

If I have kids that turn gay, well i'd be happy for them if they could marry and have children.

And no you are likely not born gay.... i've seen twin brothers (real ones) with one being gay and the other straight. 100% same genes and same education. People can do what they want with their own corn hole, if it makes them live happier, I don't see how someone's well being life program is any of our business and how we should feel threatened.

According to some research, some people are born with it others are merely predisposed to have a higher potential of turning gay.

Which research? So is there a gay gene? I've never heard about it. You say, "it" so you are obviously talking about something scientifically observable with a microscope init?

Human sexuality, like so many traits, is governed by more than one gene. Look at skin color--it's cotrolled by several genes and that's why there's such a range of color even within the same population. There likely isn't one gene that makes you gay but rather several factors including genes, hormonal environment, and regular environment.

Using the twin example is not proof of a sans genetic component. Gene expression, even among identical twins, causes variations that are not hardcoded in the dna itself (e.g. fingerprints, height, intelligence, etc.). I've known a handful of twins and there is usually one who is shorter or has a mole, or something. There's a whole field of genetics that deals with this.

Regardless, the relevance of whether there is a genetic component to homosexuality is a null point and not applicable to gay rights. There are tons of things which are "unnatural" (hate that term) which we don't think twice about, yet for some reason a gay lifestyle riles up the weirdos. I don't believe you should have to justify being gay by saying it's hardwired in your dna, just like you shouldn't have to justify any other sexual proclivity or nonsexual lifestyle.

-TG

What you are doing there is to include external environmental factors, and genes. But as I said, there is no study that proves that genes are a factor. The fact is that we aren t very sure of anything.

But yes, the fact that it s genetical or environmental isn t very relevant and should have no influence on gay rights.

[warmonger1981]

What about the giant robot directing traffic in the Congo. Is it a male or female? Hermaphrodite maybe.

Betiko don't you know its not gay if you close your eyes? Its OK to call a person gay if its said by a gay person. Like the word nig$r for black people.

Patches your a delight. Thanks for correction. I actually read it in a book and that was the source given in the footnotes.

[Oneyed]

nothing new here. some guys (the same as allways) have no opinion, made no relevant post to theme, just trolling here. and ofcourse they suck each other.

Oneyed