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[strike wolf]

vote tonka

Ive seen you browsing the forum a good bit the last two days. Care to say something?

[strike wolf]

I don't think he's lying.

Im giving him some benefit of the doubt with a doc claim but theres still a lot of inconsistency that has to be accounted for. If nothing else I want to develop some read on how Pixar thinks as a player.

[StorrZerg]

I don't think he's lying.

Im giving him some benefit of the doubt with a doc claim but theres still a lot of inconsistency that has to be accounted for. If nothing else I want to develop some read on how Pixar thinks as a player.

Good luck. One game I town shielded the f*ck out of him, for 2 days. I died in the night. And he was a town politician I think. (Steals vote and uses it himself for double vote )

Stole my vote.
N1 stole vote of the mafia kill.

Best to think emotionally about him I think. He isn't going to give a logical reason for picking tambo.

While you wait for the perfect explanation of his actions we can look to lynch someone like skill who is coasting super hard. Stays away from almost all heated topics and hasn't followed up with his reads.

Or back to mets.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Ergh Vote Thief fits perfectly with Imperious curse. That would be a pain in the arse if there is one in this game.

Might explain Charm, but this is longshot based on flavour alone.

5 votes between Sempai's first and second vote, that was one fast vote push.

[StorrZerg]

unvote
vote skill

We have less than 48 hours.

If you want something from him, we need pressure now.

[strike wolf]

So the most prominent bandwagoners to date have been Mitch and Pixar. Skillfu, BG (now replaced by me), Floyd (now replaced by Wing) and Endgame are other notable. Mitch and Pixar have now claimed Ron weasley and Hermione Granger town doc respectively and both have been called out for bad if not scummy play. Wing has been fairly active and mostly townie imo today. Ive been somewhat active somewhat not. Endgame and Skill have been inactive. The bandwagoning could be a side effect of just general inactivitg but I am willing to look into it.

unvote Vote Skill as the one of two with more of a case already on him.

[strike wolf]

Also on second thought, dega probably should claim who he visited. Theres little point in forcing claims if we believe the questionable name/role claims without testing their ability for accuracy.

[MudPuppy]

Don't want to lynch Pixar and am comfortable with putting pressure on Skill:

Vote skillfusniper33

I'd like to hear the result of dega's N1 action... though, for now, I'll respect a decision not to if he feels it best to wait.

[degaston]

Also on second thought, dega probably should claim who he visited. Theres little point in forcing claims if we believe the questionable name/role claims without testing their ability for accuracy.

My inclination is to not reveal it until after the person has claimed, but if I did, would you want a claim from that person right away, or not?
Do people think I should reveal it before the end of the day, in case I'm killed at night?

[degaston]

In any case, I think we do need another claim, and I'm willing to go along with the crowd on the next one, so
vote skill

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

unvote Vote Skill as the one of two with more of a case already on him.

The case is that he is the most inactive. I'm not going to defend him, buts thats a shoddy case to just throw yourself onto.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Also on second thought, dega probably should claim who he visited. Theres little point in forcing claims if we believe the questionable name/role claims without testing their ability for accuracy.

My inclination is to not reveal it until after the person has claimed, but if I did, would you want a claim from that person right away, or not?
Do people think I should reveal it before the end of the day, in case I'm killed at night?

I'd be surprised if you died tonight. At the moment that would stop you telling us who is wandless. Not a particularly strong piece of information. You need to tell us all your investigations prior to your death. If you ever feel threatened from lynch or nightkill you must reveal all.

[dd515087]

unvote Vote Skill as the one of two with more of a case already on him.

The case is that he is the most inactive. I'm not going to defend him, buts thats a shoddy case to just throw yourself onto.

He's been inactive and when he does post they don't add much.

So, unvote, vote skill

Are we going to keep bandwagoning on everyone until they claim and then start a new one? I think it's likely that mafia were given fake claims.

[MudPuppy]

Do people think I should reveal it before the end of the day, in case I'm killed at night?

That's a concern and my primary reason for preferring it sooner than later. Another concern is, until your death, only scum knows you're town. Your read becomes more believable if you commit to it before the claim is made. Of course, there are problems with revealing the read pre-claim too (e.g., helping scum craft a better fake claim, unnecessarily putting a power role in danger, etc.). You just need to weigh the info you have and decide for yourself when it's best to reveal. You can also choose to reveal only part of it... For example, if your action was on Pixar, you could say he used a "pro-town" spell last night without outing him as the doctor.

Doubt I'd want a claim solely based on your read but it all depends on the person and what the read is.

[dd515087]

Also on second thought, dega probably should claim who he visited. Theres little point in forcing claims if we believe the questionable name/role claims without testing their ability for accuracy.

My inclination is to not reveal it until after the person has claimed, but if I did, would you want a claim from that person right away, or not?
Do people think I should reveal it before the end of the day, in case I'm killed at night?

I'd be surprised if you died tonight. At the moment that would stop you telling us who is wandless. Not a particularly strong piece of information. You need to tell us all your investigations prior to your death. If you ever feel threatened from lynch or nightkill you must reveal all.

Why would you be surprised? It would stop him telling us who is wandless AND whatever he finds out N2

@deg I'm in favor of you revealing what you know in case you die.

[skillfusniper33]

This really pisses me off right here, just like almost every other post you have made it is pretty useless, and contradicts yourself with you next post... Another waste of time and space that my computer has to load..

So you want to be lynched?

Does anybody?

I would also like to state that I will be keeping my vote on mtam for the reason that I don't believe a claim so highly.

Got Tonkaed if I counted right is at 105 posts

fped

Okay... Well in that case unvote, vote Pixar

Sniper is still mafia in my mind though

Why? Because I make one post with a bunch of OMGUS comments about madmitch's play style. I guess that is what I have to do to get any attention in this game. The fact that I bring it up is scummy, and the fact that I am never on during these conversations of about 3-4 hours a day makes life very difficult to come back on and do nothing but summarize in posts.

The only people who seem to get any attention are the people who overreact to everything, hence why no one takes streaker seriously in this game, and no one seems to comment on his case. That is also why storr and mtam got all the attention day 1, they were the biggest asses in the game to start, hence why people can't let them go.

So When do you want me to claim, now or some time later. I can tell you right now my claim alone won't save me. Thank you wings and dd, I was trying to figure out which cases were on me.

Oh and so much for madmitch's flavor going out the window once he claimed... Always continuing on with the same style, but we have to live with it with such a strong character claim. Unvote

FPed by several

[strike wolf]

Most inactive. Bandwagons when he is here. Its not a great case but I dont find the alternatives any better. I mean you have mud who pushed Aage, the most townie unclaimed player in the game IMO. You have Mets who has mostly played to his meta. And you have your case, which I think was an overreaction. None of those thrill me. skillfu at least has a classic scum tell (bandwagoning on his list).

I would not want a full claim from someone based on you having investigated them Dega. A yes or no answer to whether they have a wand would be fine. If a claim is warranted it would be for other reasons that likely would be unrelated.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I'm in favour of Deg keeping in mind what his opinion is of those giving him advice.

unvote Vote Skill as the one of two with more of a case already on him.

The case is that he is the most inactive. I'm not going to defend him, buts thats a shoddy case to just throw yourself onto.

He's been inactive and when he does post they don't add much.

So, unvote, vote skill

Are we going to keep bandwagoning on everyone until they claim and then start a new one? I think it's likely that mafia were given fake claims.

Apparently we are going to keep going till everyone has claimed, mafia have fakeclaimed, and they can then go through the list cherry picking the most dangerous town roles to nightkill. Its genius.

I believe Pixar and would rather lynch Sniper as if he is Town he is basically useless. I just dont like the way this game is going with pushes for claims on the most tiny of reasons. I'm also unhappy that my case against Mets is apparently not stronger than "he's inactive". Its seems we have enough Mafia who are happy to push for claims against everyone they know to be mafia as there are enough town roles also happily jumping onto any bandwagon going with no case.

[skillfusniper33]

I'm in favour of Deg keeping in mind what his opinion is of those giving him advice.

unvote Vote Skill as the one of two with more of a case already on him.

The case is that he is the most inactive. I'm not going to defend him, buts thats a shoddy case to just throw yourself onto.

He's been inactive and when he does post they don't add much.

So, unvote, vote skill

Are we going to keep bandwagoning on everyone until they claim and then start a new one? I think it's likely that mafia were given fake claims.

Apparently we are going to keep going till everyone has claimed, mafia have fakeclaimed, and they can then go through the list cherry picking the most dangerous town roles to nightkill. Its genius.

I believe Pixar and would rather lynch Sniper as if he is Town he is basically useless. I just dont like the way this game is going with pushes for claims on the most tiny of reasons. I'm also unhappy that my case against Mets is apparently not stronger than "he's inactive". Its seems we have enough Mafia who are happy to push for claims against everyone they know to be mafia as there are enough town roles also happily jumping onto any bandwagon going with no case.

Just had this game to the mafia then. Lets see if I can go build a case to save my ass.

[StorrZerg]

just saying as soon as real pressure is put on skill, he starts becoming active, and go into try and give us direction.

[aage]

Unvote

I'm gonna have to look back at the last couple of pages to see what to do now. People (read: Storr) still want to wagon on Mets and I don't blame them, but f*ck, how did we manage to get Harry Ron and Hermione on the table on day two.

I'd like to avoid what happened at the end of day 1 but with the current claims and divided vote I don't even know if it's possible. Gonna read again.

[degaston]

Are we going to keep bandwagoning on everyone until they claim and then start a new one? I think it's likely that mafia were given fake claims.

Do you have a better suggestion? We seem to be very good at targeting major roles (though a couple of them have outed themselves needlessly) We've been going at it for over a week on D2 without getting anything solid on anyone. And when someone does do something very suspicious, people who know them go all meta and say that they're always that way, nothing to see here - move along.

Apparently we are going to keep going till everyone has claimed, mafia have fakeclaimed, and they can then go through the list cherry picking the most dangerous town roles to nightkill. Its genius.

Again, do you have a better suggestion? Did the mafia get all the best roles as fake claims, or have we just been unlucky in targeting major roles?

I believe Pixar and would rather lynch Sniper as if he is Town he is basically useless.

There's always Storr - at least we know that he's not town.

I just dont like the way this game is going with pushes for claims on the most tiny of reasons. I'm also unhappy that my case against Mets is apparently not stronger than "he's inactive".

I think the way mets tried to deflect the question of why he changed his opinion on pixar by trying to turn it into a semantics battle was pretty scummy. I haven't forgotten about it, but if pixar is really Hermione, then my only case against mets is that he could be scum trying to distance himself from a town lynch. I still want pixar to answer the questions about why he protected and voted for mtam, and wondered why he hadn't been targeted.

Its seems we have enough Mafia who are happy to push for claims against everyone they know to be mafia as there are enough town roles also happily jumping onto any bandwagon going with no case.

Did you mean mafia pushing for claims against townies? It seems pretty difficult to build a strong case against anyone at this point. I guess my hope is that if we can get lucky and lynch scum by accident, or ID them through night powers, then we may be able to link them to others before they take over.

[aage]

Are we going to keep bandwagoning on everyone until they claim and then start a new one? I think it's likely that mafia were given fake claims.

Do you have a better suggestion? We seem to be very good at targeting major roles (though a couple of them have outed themselves needlessly) We've been going at it for over a week on D2 without getting anything solid on anyone. And when someone does do something very suspicious, people who know them go all meta and say that they're always that way, nothing to see here - move along.

I agree with the latter, but there is always a better suggestion: lynching one of the claims. Do you think all of the claims up to now are legit?

[got tonkaed]

In theory lynching one of the claims (who isn't Storr) is taking a pretty big risk that they are not lying, just given that they would probably all be power roles. I don't think lynching Harry, Ron or Hermoine is going to make a ton of sense here.

[StorrZerg]

Hence why we need other options. .. hence the push on an inactive that has had 0 impact in the game.