Endgame422 wrote:Epitaph1 wrote:I think Rag is more likely town than not, but it's still very early. He's probably the best scum player in TNC, so be mindful of that.
See this says your reading him town. But you take the extra time to remind us all that you might be wrong,like your concerned that if he flips scum it might come back to you.
Epitaph1 wrote:Sorry to disappoint with my Ragian read. I don't have a hard read on him, deal with it.
Interesting how the next post from(above)says you dont have a hard read,if thats the case why did you say you thought he is more likely town? Why not just tell me that you didnt have a good read?
For example when rage responded to the same question he actually gave me some logic and a soft town read.
Ragian wrote:@endgame, drawing on experience I can't tell you flat out if epi is town or non-town at this moment, but I would say that he seems more progressive (his thoughts on LSU) than he usually does when antitown and has more to lose. I'm leaning town for that reason.
The thing is I'm trying to figure out in my head, however, is if non-town in a game with two non-town factions might be better off acting progressively...
I'm leaning town on epi. I can't recall seeing him this pushy when scum before.
Rage in response to this post,i think epi is exactly the kind of player who is confident and experienced enough to try and lead as scum. Think about mets in CYOM,he lead town all the way to Lylo in a similar fashion.
Everything epi is doing is exactly what i would expect scumepi to do,push hard on scumhunting because he is looking for 2nd scum group,the bit of bullying hes going for,the insecurity in his read on rage seems like hes a bit concerned rage will flip scum and then he will look bad.
Its even more important for scum to make good reads then town in a game with multiple scum parties.
Town is the 800 pound gorilla in the room(we are the strongest faction if we get our shit together) but the 2nd scum group is far more dangerous to the 1st scum group,especially early on.
So theres a case on epi.
Sausage worries me for a lot of same reasons,hes scumhunting but his agressiveness kind of seems scummy,as scum he seems to be dismissive of any suggestion that hes possible scum(from my experience)and he is never without a case to be pushing(which he started very early with that joke vote that wasnt a joke). I watched him play similarly in adventure time(which he was won as scum) very recently.
Dakkys push on tim is based off of such poor logic that im thinking either hes using scumlogic to make an "easy push" on tim or hes not even bothering to read the game and may as well be dead anyways.
Im sticking with sausage for now,but deadline is 3 days so all those not voting need to get on it asap.
@End, do you really think I'm scum or are there just a few things I've said that you don't like/agree with? You don't see to have a lot of conviction in your own case.
When I say that I'm "leaning town" on someone, I don't consider that to be a hard read. Leaning one way or the other is just another way of saying that you're not perfectly neutral on someone. Rag also said that he was "leaning town" on me, and you called it a soft read. You were asking me essentially for a meta read on Rag and I said what I thought, which was basically a gut feeling on Rag. Rag's response about me didn't have any more substance than mine did about him, but somehow his didn't rub you the wrong way.
I think you're making assumptions of how you think I would be if I was scum. I'm hardly leading the pack here--actually, I'm out on an island by myself on LSU.
Also, I don't follow your point about how you think the scum are going to act. You say that if I'm scum, then I'm going to be hunting the other group. Then you say that I'm concerned if Rag flips scum, that it will make me look bad. I agree that I expect the scum groups are going to be actively hunting each other, but I would think they would want credit for leading any lynches of the opposing scum group. If anything, I think it would make a person look better if he leads a case against a mafia or werewolf either way.
Btw, how am I bullying? Because if I am, then I'd really like to avoid that.
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I wasn't in Adventure Time, so I didn't see sausage's scum play. The biggest issue I have with him was his "trap" vote, but other than that I've found him more town than not. I'll have a re-read.
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Also, does anyone else find HotShot's comment that he forgot he was in this game kinda weird? He confirmed. However, he normally plays scum as someone that is very helpful to the town--so I really don't know what to make of him either. The extremely low contribution really hurts too.
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I felt like mtam was town for most of this game. I think he's made more reads than Belly gives him credit for, although he doesn't really put together cases so to speak.
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