[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[the white rose]

magic 8 ball / IB
Mitch / packages
strategy: how do we move foreward knowing that any given cop investigayshun is likely tainted (or at leest there is a good chance it is tainted?

we need to identify a genuine cop. the most likely for me is benga, for 2 reasons, he claims to be retired cop, so his cop role already has a qualifier (retired) and therefore is unlikely i think to have a second qualifier such as insane, paranoid or naive.

secondly his investigation was done day time so any bus drivers who are generally only active night time would not come into play. therefore as we seem to have 2 votes each then my second vote is vote sausage

If sausage does by any chance flip town, then at least we have made some progress and the fos would be on benga.

[the white rose]

still making my way through all of the posts... bit suspicious of white rose he has been a bit defensive several times, lied about previous games, hesitant to lynch hotshot, voted for sausage after sausage questioned his post.. i was in the game where he was scum he was defensive in that one and several ppl pointed out that he was quieter and not actively hunting in that one too... not voting just making some points

my vote(s) on sausage have nothing to do with him questioning my posts, i have 4 votes on me, pt voted for me yesterday, however, i did not vote for him, as soon as wing joined the game he accused me, yet i did not vote for him. Sausage lynch would tell us much more than any other lynch at this stage....read my post above.

[degaston]

As I.B. says hang all liars ,you all should listen , it is to late now DEG shot me and when I die D3 so will a lot of town

I am a deputy

maybe I am not who I SAY I AM OR MAYBE I AM

I AM NOBODY

I AM mailman for now

I don't know what you are, but I'm pretty sure you're lying about something.

I DON'T WANT TO DIE but it looks like I might half too to stop the deliveries

I did take you at your word on that. Now you say that a lot of town will die because of it. If so, then I guess there was no way to avoid it.

Degaston claims that he has a day shot. But then withdrew his shot. I am not sure if you can do that.

It was fired by PM, so as long as the message had not been received, I was able to delete it and send a different one.
Unfortunately, the gun was only good for one shot.

[the white rose]

He was defensive when he was near confirmed town ☺

defensive? too bloody right.....what do expect me to do.....refuse to defend myself?

I have 4 votes on me right now, so i need to explain to these voters that i am town and do not understand the logic behind these votes.

I have explained my reasons for not voting for hotshot on day 1, i read him (correctly) as 3p. 3p is not antitown, nor antimafia....i thought he may have been sk, but what ever powers to kill he had, he was just as likely to kill scum as town....this is probably why should scum ever find the vig they would probably not waste a nk on him as vig could kill town just as easily as scum.

therefore i would rather have gone after someone who may have flipped mafia.

From my experience that usually means hunting for someone in the background, hence i voted sausage yesterday.

this vote has been reinforced with benga finding him scum.

[StorrZerg]

We has 2 votes
Because we have 2 lynches

This is my thoughts on the extra vote

[StorrZerg]

He was defensive when he was near confirmed town ☺

defensive? too bloody right.....what do expect me to do.....refuse to defend myself?

I have 4 votes on me right now, so i need to explain to these voters that i am town and do not understand the logic behind these votes.

I have explained my reasons for not voting for hotshot on day 1, i read him (correctly) as 3p. 3p is not antitown, nor antimafia....i thought he may have been sk, but what ever powers to kill he had, he was just as likely to kill scum as town....this is probably why should scum ever find the vig they would probably not waste a nk on him as vig could kill town just as easily as scum.

therefore i would rather have gone after someone who may have flipped mafia.

From my experience that usually means hunting for someone in the background, hence i voted sausage yesterday.

this vote has been reinforced with benga finding him scum.

you realize a sk would exactly be anti town and can't win with town.... and he doesn't have the same chance to kill scum or town, he has GREATER chance to kill town. because there are more town... not exactly great reasoning... SO then you agree that the vig could claim when ever they want?

[rizky_biznezz]

we have till the 22nd benga so im not really in a rush to vote anyone when we can still discuss.... if what mitch is saying is true (going by his avatar there is going to be a bomb) and a lot of town are going to be killed i think it is a good idea to hear as much as possible from everyone about everything before we end the day... the votes are flying for sausage so looks like ppl are heading down that road so there is a candidate so not really at risk of a no lynch situation..

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

sounds reasonable, but how do you change your first vote?

You cannot.

Benga isnt useful to confirm the sanity of his investigations when they are limited. PT makes more sense, but killing investigated town, Storr, seems perverse.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Hang on. Benga - Why the f*ck did you investigate Sausage?

[CatchersMitt14]

we have till the 22nd benga so im not really in a rush to vote anyone when we can still discuss.... if what mitch is saying is true (going by his avatar there is going to be a bomb) and a lot of town are going to be killed i think it is a good idea to hear as much as possible from everyone about everything before we end the day... the votes are flying for sausage so looks like ppl are heading down that road so there is a candidate so not really at risk of a no lynch situation..

To this point, madmitch's avtar has changed multiple thymes over the past day to corresspond with his clam. I've seen a deputy, joker, and bomb image jest in the time I've bin reeding the thread.

[rizky_biznezz]

Thats good then.. I only saw the bomb and it was after he said a lot of town were going to die lol

[the white rose]

you realize a sk would exactly be anti town and can't win with town.... and he doesn't have the same chance to kill scum or town, he has GREATER chance to kill town. because there are more town... not exactly great reasoning... SO then you agree that the vig could claim when ever they want?

yes of course, but using that logic we have a greater chance of lynching town than scum, so should we not lynch anybody? no of course not.....here is an example for you.....

a game consists of 8 town, 2 mafia and 5 sk's.......the 5 sk's would kill at random and therefore the odds are they would kill 4 town and 1 mafia......leaving 4 town and 1 mafia, in other words sk's could kill scum, mafia will only kill town, who would you say is more important to lynch?

I realise an sk cannot win with town, but we should always try to prioritise scum kills rather than any 3p whether they be survivor, lyncher, sk or whatever.

[StorrZerg]

if sk lasted 6 nights, thats 6 potential town deaths

killing sk early = giving town more time to get more lynches on mafia.

[StorrZerg]

tentatively, i'd like to lynch anyone as the second person that has under 6 (probably at least 5 people or more in this catagory..)

[pancakemix]

Christ, this game moves too fast...

I'm godly at mafia.

*cringe* Suggesting a mass claim every day =/= "godly at mafia". I'll concede that you're right though, the whole Aladdin thing seems odd.

1. Often times, cop checks will only search for mafia or non-mafia. A "town" result could easily be a third party, especially considering how it appears that an asylum could factor in to the setup.

This might just be splitting hairs honestly. These are things we can't say for sure given the circumstances.

On the 8-Ball: I hate when people are obtuse. If you're town there's zero reason to be.

my pm did not specify sanity

So you have exactly zero idea what Storr's alliance is. Congrats.

You dont massclaim after only two people have supported the idea of it.

its pretty obvious my alliance is town.... Regardless if i have a seperate wincon (which i don't) or if i was apart of a subtown group(which im not). so calling him out for not knowing my alliance is kinda dumb. Even if i had these other things, it wouldn't matter. The only thing you can realistically question, is if something changed the result. (being a role for myself, mafia power, or ptlowe being a different sanity cop).

That's not really true. If pt's action is false/untrue, then I have no reason to believe that any of the above you just suggested isn't the case because there's no evidence to support it.

MrBellyBangBang fixes his messed up quotes. You da real MVP.

Okay okay what the hell is going on ? 3 cops and I am a deputy .

Cops, cops, cops cops cops cops

My role now makes perfect sense considering we can not trust peoples investigations.

I believe sausage to be Town. He is also a big boy so can argue for himself.

If anything his lynch would be able to clarify weather the 8 ball can be trusted.

You know full well that arguments matter very little with investigations in play. The real problem is having counter investigations and no way to reconcile them. We need a body of proof (pun intended). Vote Sausage for science.

Ib your role caused a flipped check imo. This makes the most sense to me.

IB went over this like 20 pages ago. He's an "Insane Asylum Guard", not an Insane "Asylum Guard".

Best for town if the packages never came, I AM mailman for now I.B. already received his package, I was told the rest are bad for town, I DON'T WANT TO DIE but it looks like I might half too to stop the deliveries, why me ? I just was starting to have fun.

Uhhhhh

Interesting vote mechanic. I'm sticking with science. I think that's -3? A claim from sausage is probably advisable at this point.

[StorrZerg]

agree, claim time whatsausage.

pcm pick 2 people that haven't done much that you think should be pressured.

[benga]

Hang on. Benga - Why the f*ck did you investigate Sausage?

said it before, he went after pt (after he claimed cop) so I just checked him out

[the white rose]

if sk lasted 6 nights, thats 6 potential town deaths.

or 5 town and 1 scum or 4 town and 2 scum etc etc etc, on the other hand allowing a scum to survive 6 nights would cause 6 definite town deaths and definitely no scum deaths.

thats why ib is not confirmed town, scum would want to get rid of sk's as much as town.

[the white rose]

sounds reasonable, but how do you change your first vote?

You cannot.

Benga isnt useful to confirm the sanity of his investigations when they are limited. PT makes more sense, but killing investigated town, Storr, seems perverse.

so whats your take on benga?

genuine claim, genuine result

or

genuine claim, misdirected result, ie driver/insanity

or

false claim

please give your reasons

[StorrZerg]

TWR you are arguing a mute point, the choice wasn't sk or mafia. it was confirmed 3p vs an unclaimed.

and your wrong, since there could be multiple anti town factions, including sk, a second mafia team, or anything else. so yeah mafia has a chance to kill anti town.. (which is very likely if you are town, you would know this info)

[Iron Butterfly]

You don't get to decide when the joke vote phase is over, son. At least let people check-in. Also, who will sub for mtam before he ruins this game too?

RUINS A GAME?!?!?!?!? Found my first lynch target

Go on, son.

Well, no one is going with what I said earlier so f*ck that.

IB's Magic 8-ball if from mitch who has made no attempts to disguise the fact that he is indeed mad mitch. Surely, then, he's giving out crap gifts. I think IB's ball is busted. Hence I think whatsausage is scum. Lynching sausage throws light on benga, IB, and mitch as I see it. That's good.

vote whatsausage

FP'ed by Wing

I have to agree that Sausage is a logical lynch. It will give clarity on Mitch gifts AKA Magic 8 ball,and Benga. My instinct is to believe Sausage Town BUT he has not done much for his own cause either. I want a claim before he is lynched though. I also believe WR is scum.

[Iron Butterfly]

we have till the 22nd benga so im not really in a rush to vote anyone when we can still discuss.... if what mitch is saying is true (going by his avatar there is going to be a bomb) and a lot of town are going to be killed i think it is a good idea to hear as much as possible from everyone about everything before we end the day... the votes are flying for sausage so looks like ppl are heading down that road so there is a candidate so not really at risk of a no lynch situation..

Going by Mitch is like setting ones watch by the position of the moon while wearing mittens in a Blizzard with their eyes closed.

I think Mitch is just fucking around with all his embellishments. He is trying to draw attention to himself. If he was really truly a threat and was mafia with all those deadly gifts he would not say a word. Now If Deg took the bait and shot him..stupid move. Mitch is all but shoting from the roof top "Look at me Mommy".

[degaston]

we have till the 22nd benga so im not really in a rush to vote anyone when we can still discuss.... if what mitch is saying is true (going by his avatar there is going to be a bomb) and a lot of town are going to be killed i think it is a good idea to hear as much as possible from everyone about everything before we end the day... the votes are flying for sausage so looks like ppl are heading down that road so there is a candidate so not really at risk of a no lynch situation..

Going by Mitch is like setting ones watch by the position of the moon while wearing mittens in a Blizzard with their eyes closed.

I think Mitch is just fucking around with all his embellishments. He is trying to draw attention to himself. If he was really truly a threat and was mafia with all those deadly gifts he would not say a word. Now If Deg took the bait and shot him..stupid move. Mitch is all but shoting from the roof top "Look at me Mommy".

Do you think he was a deputy? A mailman? Was he delivering bombs? Did he need to be stopped, like he said?

Whatever he is, I'm not going to apologize for getting rid of him.

[StorrZerg]

Like to bring it up again, that i think 2 lynches are happening

[Metsfanmax]

I think it's much more likely that we just get two votes each.