[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[AladdinSane]

After the argument u made earlier about storr being smart and experienced I'm not sure why u would agree with DJ now..

NO!!! I never sed Storr is smart and eggsperiensed - I noted dat other peepul had sed he was smart and eggsperiensed (and provided links to teh apropriate posts dat I got dat info frum).

I actually liked ur post about reviver and it makes sense that he could be scum and reviver and brought back mars knowing that he would be on his side whilst looking towny in the process but I'm not sure why pt would get a town read then surely he couldn't be godfather and reviver..

I'm not abandoning teh idee dat Storr is scum, not by a long shot. I just tink, along wit DJP, that Storr's ackshuns cood orso be eggsplained by thikness / inflated ego. I reely don't no witch - dat's why it's inportent fer peeple to comment.

As for the inventors is it weird we have 2 is one more than likely mafia aligned?

Weerd, yes, but dis is a weerd game. Mafia? Good kwestjun, will ponder on it. It did strike me as vewy vewy convenient fer Storr dat he was dropping orl dese hints about wot he was gonna do (i.e. kill hisself to bring back Marashu), and then LSU TJ sent him teh saving swetter. And dident LSU TJ orso take creddit fer IB's magic borl? Dat dident werk fer Town either, did it, sinse it gave a misleeding reed on Sausage? If you reed back, yool see I wundered why Storr was dropping orl dose hints - wit hindsite it is blindingly obvius dat he was corling to be saved. Of corse, LSU TJ mite have sent him teh swetter in good faith, beleeving Storr to be Town. Merky, merky waters indeed...

On teh topic of IB's 8-borl, btw, he has refused sevral rekwests to clarify teh ambi...ambig...ambigooity in his frasing hear:

Benga my magic 8 ball got Town on sausage.

For clarity I asked mod if magic 8 ball works like real life...hehe random results stuff. No magic 8 ball is right.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Most likely even if Marashu was changed into a zombie, he would be 3rd party and not mafia.

In regards to the sweater, it was only meant to give out the role of Storr. Whether it saved him or not I can not say. I just know instead of giving out Storr's role it gave out mine instead.

[rizky_biznezz]

the people i was leaning suspicious on earlier came out with helpful roles... rish i was wondering about because D1 he wanted to get claims out of more ppl but then D2 he was against the claims, but he is claiming jailer...and benga well he wasn't posting much, was skimming and made a weak case and voted pt N1... but he is going with retired cop and was right about sausage so he is off the list too...

my vote is currently on falko who i was also suspicious of early firstly because of his total absence D1 and first appearance during the night and then because of his vote for pt after he claimed.. but he pointed out pancakes lack of posts and later voted for a pancake modkill im guessing if he was scum he probably wouldn't have done that unless it was purely for town cred figuring he would get lynched anyway..

Sorry i misread thought falko voted for all 3 to be modkilled but only voted for virus..

[AladdinSane]

probably another stupid question but Lsu's sweater was supposed to reveal alignment but it was reversed and revealed his alignment instead.... so what saved storr if he was supposedly sacrificing himself and the sweater was only about alignment?

I've been operating under teh asumpshun dat teh swetter had a dool roll - perteckshun and, perhaps fer balence, orso anouncing alinement. But reeding bak, I see Mitch woz teh first to alloode to teh swetter's allejed pertecktive roll, witch makes me suspishus. Orso, if teh alinement announsement bounsed back on LSU TJ, woodent eny pertective funshun bounse bak on him orso?

Maybe yer rite, maybe sumtink else did save Storr.

OR

MAYBE STORR DIDENT NEED TO BE SAVED!!!

Chek out dis quote frum MafiaScum.net:

"Some variations on Reviver require the Reviver to die in order to resurrect another player."

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Revive

So, teh defolt is fer teh Reviver to resurect another playa witout dying hisself.

Hmmm...

Rmember, Storr hisself sed, under pressure, dat their are twoo tings about his roll he hasent reveeled yet...

[rizky_biznezz]

@LSU Thats why I'm confused about these gifts... The 8 ball gave a reversed read-- fine, the sweater reversed the players role that was revealed-- fine... but why was storr saved if he was supposedly sacrificing himself.. He seems to be sure it was u but the gifts don't really add up.. It was just a question I had...

Do scum get day investigation roles too? Was mars just a really lucky guess?

[StorrZerg]

Rmember, Storr hisself sed, under pressure, dat their are twoo tings about his roll he hasent reveeled yet...

one claim to go, where is he

[rizky_biznezz]

Sorry guys this is what happens when I finally get a bit of time u get stupid questions I apologise if I'm confusing things..

[AladdinSane]

Most likely even if Marashu was changed into a zombie, he would be 3rd party and not mafia.

I tend to agree wit dis. Maybe just becorse teh idee of a zombie Mafioso does my hed in. [Note to self: Idee fer screenplay?]

In regards to the sweater, it was only meant to give out the role of Storr. Whether it saved him or not I can not say. I just know instead of giving out Storr's role it gave out mine instead.

Tanks fer clarifying dat. So it looks like either sumtink else saved Storr, or he dident need saving at orl.

BUT: Hear's Storr tanking you fer saving him:

I do have a say on who gets what i make. I sent the "8 ball" yesterday and the sweater was actually suppose to tell the role of the person who received it lmao not announce me. As I said yesterday, I trusted the 8 ball and believe IB to have towns interest at heart so I sent him the 8 ball

Fair enough. Thx for saving me.

So he is def CLAIMING he needed saving. So teh million dollar kwestjun becomes, WHO, IF ANYWUN, saved Storr? We don't have eny known Docs dat cood have dun it. No-one has come forward to dispute teh idee dat it was teh swetter.

If Storr dident need saving, but he tanked you fer saving him, it cood be suspishus. If we do have a hidden doc out their, I tink dey shood try to remain hidden and not respond to Storr's corl for massclaim.

On teh other hand, he mite have genuinely thort he wood die even if he was a non-dying reviver. Maybe he isent aware of dat aspect of his roll. Merky, merky...

[rizky_biznezz]

Both sides could be argued storr could have just thanked LSU so we all thought that's what saved him even if he didn't need saving..

Not on board a storr lynch today so i dont want to put too much focus on it so I will move on to other discussions..

[AladdinSane]

Sorry guys this is what happens when I finally get a bit of time u get stupid questions I apologise if I'm confusing things..

No, dey are good kwestjuns, RB. How about helping me anser dem?

[madmitch]

You know people Storr could be lying about everything !

[StorrZerg]

You know people Storr could be lying about everything !

well sure, well besides bringing marashu back. thats kinda a fact

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Do scum get day investigation roles too? Was mars just a really lucky guess?

Mafia get all types of roles in bastard games. Roles alone isnt enough to determine alignment, how roles are used is more important.

[/]

Indeed...
Damn it! I just realized something off.
So in this game, we are under the assumption that whether you are SK, Cult, or Survivor, you will flip generic 3rd party on death, right?
So I'm thinking, the kill rate in this game is rather low, meaning others threats, like cult. But why would cult be a threat if you gave town the names of cult leader right off the bat? It makes little sense gameplay wise. Theory, this game might have two cults.
Town vs mafia vs cult A vs cult B. To give town a fighting chance, Cult A and Cult B's respective leaders know eachother off the bat, but cannot directly divulge the information they have on eachother. IB knew Hotshot was scum, but he was also very specific that he was probably not mafia, why did he know this? Well, if he thought Hotshot was going to flip as cult recruiter, that's obvious.

I think that maybe the reason that cult flips generic 3rd party is cause the bastard mods don't want us to know that there's two cults. I think that maybe Whatsausage was a cult recruit into the other cult. This would explain why anyone in their right mind would ever say something as dumb as "oh yeah, I totally think the magic 8 ball is telling the truth guys." Because the invention gave him an excuse to simultaneously clear a recruit, and not appear anti-town because the result was probably technically not a lie.

Unvote vote IB

[StorrZerg]

I can confirm mafia either have Role block, or bus driver. I'm leaning on role block.

Last night I attempted to protect both benga and ptlowe. I was allowed to pick 2 people, if both died i could only save one.

If jailer is correct, then wing cannot be either of those roles.

At this point in time, im leaing on wing as a lynch. Reasons seemed poor for who to kill. Didn't care about people claiming before shooting them. His reason on not shooting aladdinsane was poor imo. Stacking with vig would have proved his power.

Additionally i do believe he has been trying to pocket me, I pushed on people and he railed with me. Not questioning really anything i did. Town wcg would have been more cautious against me, and would have stood up to some of my reads imo. Not be blatantly cool with them.

Unvote
Vote WCG

mets has 2 days to prove his power imo.
marashu is 100% town. Additionally he should have a check to revel today. So we can't lynch till he talks...

@ / slash, i thought about that too. Thing is, what do you do about wing tonight.

[Streaker]

Mod note: quoting PM's, or part of PM's is punishable by modkill. You actually want to play the game this way?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I can confirm mafia either have Role block, or bus driver. I'm leaning on role block.

Last night I attempted to protect both benga and ptlowe. I was allowed to pick 2 people, if both died i could only save one.

If jailer is correct, then wing cannot be either of those roles.

At this point in time, im leaing on wing as a lynch. Reasons seemed poor for who to kill. Didn't care about people claiming before shooting them. His reason on not shooting aladdinsane was poor imo. Stacking with vig would have proved his power.

Additionally i do believe he has been trying to pocket me, I pushed on people and he railed with me. Not questioning really anything i did. Town wcg would have been more cautious against me, and would have stood up to some of my reads imo. Not be blatantly cool with them.

Unvote
Vote WCG

mets has 2 days to prove his power imo.
marashu is 100% town. Additionally he should have a check to revel today. So we can't lynch till he talks...

@ / slash, i thought about that too. Thing is, what do you do about wing tonight.

Storr would it make you feel better if I tell you that I considered killing you N1? I really didnt like your request for early vig claim. Then you were cop checked D2 and proven reviver D3. I entered the game too late to ever interact with you before the copcheck.

Are you talking about your reads today? They pretty much match my list from D2..... I've stopped spamming my reads as I dont want mafia to be able to predict my actions. As your reads are good I'm happy to let you lead the lynches and I'll tailor with my nk's. I'm not OK with killing Mets yet but saw no reason to object in here as its just another distraction.

How can I get people to claim before shooting them without revealing my role? Dont blame me for the Hotshot train D1 and Sausage train D2. I wanted more claims from suspected scum than we got those two days. Shooting Aladdin D1 would have also identified me as Vig immediately, wanted to maintain secrecy at this point.

I spent D2 attempting to get people to comment on my reads, which they did not. The reason they were low on reasoning is that I was not that bothered about pushing specific lynches when I can achieve the same thing on my own. I wanted a canvas of opinon to work from, I didnt really get it.

Seeing as I've claimed CPR Doc, it should be clear that regardless of alignment I am guarenteed to have a killing power. Agreed? So what is your concern? Are you worried about me being an extra mafia kill or a third party sk? Why would I have objected to the Hotshot lynch if either of those?

Mets will struggle to prove his role seeing as he has to catch the killer in the act. Still dont understand why he targeted PCM, why would an inactive player have undertaken the mafia kill? (there was no signs of additional killing roles in the game)

@Slash - IB has been bothering me with his play, and that theory goes a long way to explaining it. Feels like a paranoia lynch though, but no idea how to check it out, especially as recruiters need to be killed really quickly.

@Storr - You are going to have to explain your role more, reviver and protector? If you were roleblocked to prevent protection surely you would have been prevented from resurrecting Mars? Busdriven onto yourself would explain how you stayed alive...

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Aladdin - Somewhere today you have said that you hope that docs/cops had the sense to fakeclaim. There is NO circumstance in which a town player should ever fakeclaim.

Massclaim wasnt meant to out docs and cops, it was necessary because those roles had ALREADY been revealed. Anonymity is their friend.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

And my concluding defense, I pretty much claimed near the end of D2 in these two posts:

sorry, but i have given up trying to read aladdin's posts, its just too much effort to translate it into english.

should he ever say anything important, perhaps someone else would repost for me.

Can you give your top reads please? Whilst you appear to be safe from lynch today, there may be a vig, its important you give reads prior to death. Plus it helps us read your alignment which i would very much appreciate.

I'll be happy to give my top scum reeds and town reeds on D3.

Nice dodge of the question. I was surprised by the single kill last night in such a large game, but I still bet there is a vig amongst us. Either you or white rose will not be waking up tomorrow so you really should be giving reads now.

[Metsfanmax]

At this point in time, im leaing on wing as a lynch. Reasons seemed poor for who to kill. Didn't care about people claiming before shooting them. His reason on not shooting aladdinsane was poor imo. Stacking with vig would have proved his power.

If you're right, then as far as we know town has no vig power. Which seems implausible to me. Also, rish's information about jailing Wing came after Wing claimed, which means you have to believe rish and Wing are scum buddies, because otherwise Wing was gambling on someone confessing to blocking him? It just doesn't compute.

Still dont understand why he targeted PCM, why would an inactive player have undertaken the mafia kill? (there was no signs of additional killing roles in the game)

Have you been mafia here before? Typically the way it works is that the mafia group decides by consensus who will 'perform' the kill for that night. pcm didn't need to be active for him to be the one to 'perform' the kill -- the rest of the group could have decided that for him. And in fact putting the kill on someone who is scummarining is a good way for them to avoid being watched/tracked, although to be honest I only considered that angle in retrospect. Of course I wasn't expecting to get lucky, but that's just the nature of the Bullet Bill role. Most of my flips will be negative, at least until we get closer to end game and narrow down who the potential scum are.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mtam was also Vig.

Thats a good answer Mets, I've never been mafia in a large enough game to have inactive partners.

[Metsfanmax]

Mtam was also Vig.

Ok so I'm going to be honest -- I forgot about that when I just posted. But I remembered that when he flipped he was the flying laser pumpkin, so I searched the thread for "pumpkin" and found the following posted on D2:

I see SKOFFIN lost her head and it was replaced by a pumpkin, I hope it wasn't the flying pumpkin that shoots laser beams out its ass or everyone is in trouble.

This is in response to the modkill of Skoffin:

Skoffin, Town Doctor, has been found decapitated and his head replaced by a rotting pumpkin in the town square (Modkill)

Here's the thing -- TFPTSLBOOIA is a fairly arcane mafia reference. Even if madmitch knew about that, which is unlikely, there's no reason for him to have associated Skoffin's head turning into a pumpkin with that particular role. So this very very strongly suggests that somehow mitch knew about mtam's role before mtam flipped.

[Iron Butterfly]

Indeed...
Damn it! I just realized something off.
So in this game, we are under the assumption that whether you are SK, Cult, or Survivor, you will flip generic 3rd party on death, right?
So I'm thinking, the kill rate in this game is rather low, meaning others threats, like cult. But why would cult be a threat if you gave town the names of cult leader right off the bat? It makes little sense gameplay wise. Theory, this game might have two cults.
Town vs mafia vs cult A vs cult B. To give town a fighting chance, Cult A and Cult B's respective leaders know eachother off the bat, but cannot directly divulge the information they have on eachother. IB knew Hotshot was scum, but he was also very specific that he was probably not mafia, why did he know this? Well, if he thought Hotshot was going to flip as cult recruiter, that's obvious.

I think that maybe the reason that cult flips generic 3rd party is cause the bastard mods don't want us to know that there's two cults. I think that maybe Whatsausage was a cult recruit into the other cult. This would explain why anyone in their right mind would ever say something as dumb as "oh yeah, I totally think the magic 8 ball is telling the truth guys." Because the invention gave him an excuse to simultaneously clear a recruit, and not appear anti-town because the result was probably technically not a lie.

Unvote vote IB

Do you prefer white or red wine with you wasted vote? Ohhh and...Really??

[Iron Butterfly]

After the argument u made earlier about storr being smart and experienced I'm not sure why u would agree with DJ now..

NO!!! I never sed Storr is smart and eggsperiensed - I noted dat other peepul had sed he was smart and eggsperiensed (and provided links to teh apropriate posts dat I got dat info frum).

I actually liked ur post about reviver and it makes sense that he could be scum and reviver and brought back mars knowing that he would be on his side whilst looking towny in the process but I'm not sure why pt would get a town read then surely he couldn't be godfather and reviver..

I'm not abandoning teh idee dat Storr is scum, not by a long shot. I just tink, along wit DJP, that Storr's ackshuns cood orso be eggsplained by thikness / inflated ego. I reely don't no witch - dat's why it's inportent fer peeple to comment.

As for the inventors is it weird we have 2 is one more than likely mafia aligned?

Weerd, yes, but dis is a weerd game. Mafia? Good kwestjun, will ponder on it. It did strike me as vewy vewy convenient fer Storr dat he was dropping orl dese hints about wot he was gonna do (i.e. kill hisself to bring back Marashu), and then LSU TJ sent him teh saving swetter. And dident LSU TJ orso take creddit fer IB's magic borl? Dat dident werk fer Town either, did it, sinse it gave a misleeding reed on Sausage? If you reed back, yool see I wundered why Storr was dropping orl dose hints - wit hindsite it is blindingly obvius dat he was corling to be saved. Of corse, LSU TJ mite have sent him teh swetter in good faith, beleeving Storr to be Town. Merky, merky waters indeed...

On teh topic of IB's 8-borl, btw, he has refused sevral rekwests to clarify teh ambi...ambig...ambigooity in his frasing hear:

Benga my magic 8 ball got Town on sausage.

For clarity I asked mod if magic 8 ball works like real life...hehe random results stuff. No magic 8 ball is right.

This has been mentioned sever billion times. I have explained the reasoning of the post and what happened SEVERAL times. Read my fuckn posts. You want an explanation did for it.

[AladdinSane]

Last night I attempted to protect both benga and ptlowe. I was allowed to pick 2 people, if both died i could only save one.

well sure, well besides bringing marashu back. thats kinda a fact

Wait, are you saying last nite you atempted to pertect BOTH benga and PTLowe, AND brort Marashu bak frum teh ded as well? Dat's a hevy werklode, even fer a god.

marashu is 100% town. Additionally he should have a check to revel today. So we can't lynch till he talks...

Wait again, dis looks vewy, vewy suspishus to me. First, how do you KNOW Marashu is 100% Town? How do you KNOW his roll/sanity/alinement dident change wen he came back? Are you saying dat, in addishun to yore claimed Reviving and Perteckting rolls, you can orso reed alinements? Wow! Dat's sum roll you got yerself their! Dis just looks aimed at keeping Marashu alive fer tonite. Fer wot? So he can do a NK fer ya?

You need ter give yer reesons fer been so confidunt Marashu is "100% town", ASAP.

FPed Mets, irate IB