[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

This has been gnawing at me. Wing has to be smart enough to realize that a vig shot N1 is most likely to kill town, without really learning a whole lot from it. That leads me to agree that he's 3P SK rather than CPR Doc.

Thats no fun though!

I like playing vt, as I can be gobby with no responsibility.

@Falko, youve never actually offered us a case against anyone, so I fail to understand why we should have lynched someone else.

Guys, do you know why I lile mafia on this site? Its because everyone is helpful and understanding. Lets not lose that. The mods havent just given up their time to run this, they gave up their time to craft the game. Knowing Dakky, most of the ideas will have come from him, and tempered by Streaker.

[AladdinSane]

vote count, start at day phase, look for who votes who, record it post result.

Sheesh. Wot's teh rush? We orl know Falko is linched. Just acksept dat peepul have RL issues to deel wit sumtimes. Take a chill pill and do sumthing else fer a wile. Wot duz it matter if we get an ofishal vote count rite away or not? We'll lern in good time if it was a good linch or not. And it had beter be, becorse we need to see sum benefit frum yer insistense on massclaim reel reel soon now.

I tink you just like bitchin.

[the white rose]

aladdin, there is no guarantee that falko is lynched. in a surprise game, suppose he is a loved townie and needs two extra votes to lynch? by posting the vc and not confirming his lynch we would know, now if the lynch does not happen cos of some special powers falko has, we have gone past deadline and the day ends with no lynch without town being able to vote for someone else

[AladdinSane]

aladdin, there is no guarantee that falko is lynched. in a surprise game, suppose he is a loved townie and needs two extra votes to lynch? by posting the vc and not confirming his lynch we would know, now if the lynch does not happen cos of some special powers falko has, we have gone past deadline and the day ends with no lynch without town being able to vote for someone else

Those are good points, but i tink we have teh two extra votes enyway. By my count, I was 11 (hamer), you were 12, and LSU TJ was 13. Enyway, I tink if teh mods have held up teh game, teh HAVE TO eggstend teh dedline. Theirs a limit on how mutch basterds dey can be, even in dis game.

[Ragian]

Send me something fun rage

Blowup doll?

Watch out, Storr. It will blow you up when you use it.

Is he...pointy?

[Marashu]

Sorry for falling off the planet, it's been a busy few days. I'm quite free after work, so I'll have time to catch up and share my thoughts then.

[the white rose]

first question mars, can you claim?

are you still a cop, town aligned? or has this changed?

any investigations for us?

[AladdinSane]

Well, if falko is town as he claims, then it looks like town is pretty close to losing. If you are town, storr, then why lynch all claimed vanilla town?

Vt"s are low risk targets. Storr doesnt trust me and thinks it likely that I may shoot a valuable role based on a gut feeling they are scum. If my gut feel is wrong the cost is great. He has a point.

With great power comes great responsibility. A vig should never shoot just because he can.

yes, since he attempted to shoot 2 nights in a row.... with poor reasoning imo...

following up that last point.. you don't hint about it because we had just had a huge discussion about if the vig should claim. If he had claimed early, he would have been pretty believable. Thing is, he didn't. He was forced to claim latter, AND we have a real dead vig, and people seem to be ok with his killing. To me his kill targets are people that wouldn't be targeted by other powers at night, as in no watch/track/doc so it reeks more to me of a SK who is trying to stay hidden while accomplishing his goals. Secondly sk generally has to shoot, they don't have the option to shoot.

So, are you going to be pushin fer a Wing linch on D4? We need to elimminate SKs just as mutch as we need to elimminate Mafia, rite?

And if you reely tink Wing is SK, shoodent we ask Rish to jail him agin tonite, to stop him frum NKing?

o absolutely not. wing if he is a sk HAS to find and hit a mafia. in order for us to believe he is really town sided.

This is looking reely weerd to me. In dat firt quote, you tork like you tink Wing is a vig who employed "poor reesoning" in attemptink to shoot too nites in a row, and in teh secund quote yer tink Wing is an SK, and yer plan is to just let him do his ting, in teh hope he will coreckly reeson who is Mafia and kill dem?

Firt, you need to take a stanse: Do you tink Wing is a CPR Doc who has employed poor reesoning, or an SK?

Secund, if you don't have a high opinyun of Wing's reesoning skills, why - if you tink he is SK - wood you want him running around at nite with a killing power? I get dat he has to kill Mafia (or, at leest, not kill Town) to avoid linch D4, but sinse you tink he has poor reesoning skills, why wood you tink he can do dis? Moor likely he will kill Town.

Put it dis way: If Wing reely is Town CPR Doc and he acidently kills Town tonight, he gets linched D4. Dat wood meen we lose too Town and dont kill eny scum. Wit teh prob loss of Virus, dat's another big hit we dont need (assuming Virus is Town), esp. if Falko flips Town too. Then their is teh distinkt posibility of another non-Wing NK - we've lost Marashu on N1 and PTLowe on N2 awreddy. Add it up: by linch time tomorow, we cood have lost anuvver 5 Town for no scum. We'd be down to a field of 15 and getting danjerusly close to losing. Not jailing Wing is too mutch of a risk.

But if where shore Wing is SK, we need to jail him. Even tho, as you say, he NEEDS to kill Mafia in order to avoid linch D4, we have no reeson to be confident he can do dis - even you have sed he has shown pore reesoning. If he acksidently kills Town and we linch him. it's wun Town ded fer wun SK - but even better wood be zero Town ded and wun SK ded. If Wing kills Town tonite, it cood mean he is Town CPR Doc and made a mistake, or he is SK and made a mistake - theirfore it dosent tells us enyting about his alinement.

Let's leeve aside fer teh moment teh kwestjun of yer alinement, and just look at teh efekt of yer ackshuns so far on Town's chanses of winning. Yer massclaim has left our power rolls eggsposed, fer no gain so far. Even teh Falko linch is not based on info frum teh massclaim but frum him voting claimed cop (PTLowe). In fackt, PTLowe was eggsposed and killed presisely becorse he foolishly responded to yer corl fer massclaim. Then their's teh POSIBILITY (imo, STRONG POSIBILITY) of Marashu reterning as non-Town - let's leeve dat aside, tho - we'll find out in time. And now, you want to unleesh Wing, who you tink is a 3P SERIAL KILLER, loose on us? And I'M teh wun who dosent unnerstand Mafia? Regardless of yer alinement, we need to stop lissening to you NOW, or where gonna lose reel kwik.

FPed Rag, Marashu

[StorrZerg]

Town in this game deserve to lose. I still find it amazing that you are lynching me because a really attempt of a case, based in that I voted for ptlowe in D2, as if there is not enough claims, night actions, apples, jesters, and lies to have a more educated vote.

Scum, in the other hand, is doing quiet a good job.

I think after this game, I probably would not play mafia anymore...really frustrating to try to keep up with this shit for 70 something pages, take a longhaul plane, and after a jetlag nap, find myself lynched because the town is so lazy to try to see a decent case, and go for "yeah, im happy lynching falco or x..." without any further substance....shameless bandwagon...really frustrating.

you aren't exactly giving a great defense or pointing out a better lynch...

[StorrZerg]

in the first quote i don't act like wing is vig. The whole point is showcasing that i don't think he is vig. because he isn't doing the things i think a "wing" vig would do. SO YES I"VE TAKEN A STANCE THE WHOLE TIME

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aladdin. If you never let me shoot, how will you ever know my alignment?

My role is negative utility which means I am harmful to my own faction, in this case town. (Not a ghreat in terms of win conditions, thats different)

Lol Storr, you realise that solo mafia wing once spent an entire game not using kill power....

[StorrZerg]

sk wouldn't have the option to not use power

[AladdinSane]

Look, guys, how many scum do you tink are in dis game? Only my secund game so I don't have mutch idee. I did ask erly on but nowun replied. In my firt game it was 2/10, but dat was Beginner. I think I red on MafiaScum dat a third of teh feeld is tipical. Dat would be, say, 9/28. Only 1 has been identified so far, so say there are 8/20 left. If tings dont run our way tonite, as per my above post, where looking at maybe 8/15 scum. Dat's too close fer cumfert imo, even if dere is moor then wun anti-Town faction (witch we don't know fer shore yet). We can jail Wing tonite, and if tings are looking up tomorow (Falko is scum etc.) maybe let him do his ting then.

Wing: Wile I wood LOVE to know yer alinement, I tink teh risk of letting you acidently shooting Town tonite, given teh numbers, is just too high to take. Besides, like I sed before, if you shoot Town, it's not alinement-indickative - You cood make dat mistake as CPR Doc or as SK. You shood be happy to be jailed tonite, becorse it releeves you of teh preshure of having to get a Mafia kill tonite on pain of getting linched tomorow.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Aladdin, I am not happy to be jailed as my power should not be protected.

Mets and Storr are correct, I have the option not to shoot.

[StorrZerg]

AladdinSane, why did you not try and get wing lynched today.

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin, I am not happy to be jailed as my power should not be protected.

Mets and Storr are correct, I have the option not to shoot.

I don't tink dat is wot Storr is saying.

sk wouldn't have the option to not use power

So far, by yer own admishun, you've atempted to shoot 2/2 nites. Dat's consistent wit either SK or CPR Doc.

If you are CPR Doc and jailed tonite, will you refrain frum shooting? If yes, then no harm frum jailing you, and yer pertecked frum NK - eggsept frum unstoppable kills of corse. If no, then see my previus posts.

I have to say, both of you seem very keen fer Wing to be on teh loose ternite. Hmmm...

FPed Storr. Gotta go do sumting, will reply wen I get back.

[AladdinSane]

*If you are CPR Doc and NOT jailed tonite

[Falkomagno]

Town in this game deserve to lose. I still find it amazing that you are lynching me because a really attempt of a case, based in that I voted for ptlowe in D2, as if there is not enough claims, night actions, apples, jesters, and lies to have a more educated vote.

Scum, in the other hand, is doing quiet a good job.

I think after this game, I probably would not play mafia anymore...really frustrating to try to keep up with this shit for 70 something pages, take a longhaul plane, and after a jetlag nap, find myself lynched because the town is so lazy to try to see a decent case, and go for "yeah, im happy lynching falco or x..." without any further substance....shameless bandwagon...really frustrating.

you aren't exactly giving a great defense or pointing out a better lynch...

It would really make a difference? is not always extremely pathetic to force up a case to avoid an own lynch? I already have enough votes to get lynched anyway, and the shameless hammer without a chance to let me say a word already speaks of the futility of any attempt of defense. In any case, what can be my defense, if you are lynching me for a vote to ptlowe...I already said that at that time i though that the really early claim of ptlowe was or a really stupid move or scum as hell...it was at the end a stupid move, how can I know?

Maybe if instead of keeping up, I would put cryptic messages, like "the darkness are coming to town, who knows what is going to happen, bua ha ha" I would not be lynched, but then again, what kind of game is such that the most weak case is the one who get me lynched, disregarding that the whole people already claimed...

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

20 alive takes 11 to lynch.

Falko - benga, risky, Ragian, /, WCG, Mets, Storr, mitch, IB, Catcher, Aladdin
DJ - LSU, Falk, rish
WCG - DJ, player,
no lynch - rose,
Ragian - deg

LYNCH!

This VC was reached at 3:02 am CCT on 2/2. All votes afterwards were not counted.

[Epitaph1]

The bodies were piling up. Two more were slain by the invisible hand during the day. The people decided someone had to pay for the ongoing confusion and bloodshed, so they turned their attention towards Falkomagno. They strung him up and finally saw what he truly was.

show

It is now N3.

Deadline in 3 days unless Streaker or dakky say otherwise.

[rizky_biznezz]

Hmm that didn't go well I thought worst case he would be 3rd party.. Sorry falko but u did come across a little scummy

[AladdinSane]

is not always extremely pathetic to force up a case to avoid an own lynch?

No, becorse it is a teem game and we needed you to step up and mount a good defents to avoid losing even moor Town.

I already have enough votes to get lynched anyway, and the shameless hammer without a chance to let me say a word already speaks of the futility of any attempt of defense. In any case, what can be my defense, if you are lynching me for a vote to ptlowe...I already said that at that time i though that the really early claim of ptlowe was or a really stupid move or scum as hell...it was at the end a stupid move, how can I know?

As teh hamerer, let me lay dis about teh "shameless hamer": Wen I cheked in, you had ten votes awreddy, up from just two wen I went to sleep. Teh dedline was close, and it was cleer it was going to be you. You had plenny of time to mount a defents, but you left it until the last minit. fwiw, I do tink you got a slitely raw deel, in dat I sed erlier dat voting a claimed cop was just too obvius to be reely scummy. But it was sumting to latch onto, and i think wen time was short, peepul latched onto it.

Maybe if instead of keeping up, I would put cryptic messages, like "the darkness are coming to town, who knows what is going to happen, bua ha ha" I would not be lynched, but then again, what kind of game is such that the most weak case is the one who get me lynched, disregarding that the whole people already claimed...

Well, you had YORE vote on DJP.Wood you be wining like dis if he got linched insted of you, and flipped Town? He is another who just looked vagely scummy, but hadent posted enyting dat look majerly scummy to most peepul. I tink in teh end it was going to be you or him, and you had teh black mark of voting a claimed cop aginst you, and he dident.

[AladdinSane]

Aladdin, white rose, deg, benga, rish, falko are all anti town.

Tis a shame, Falko was my really obvious doc "save" target! Gonna have to carefully consider now!

Yeeeeeeah, about dat. Wit dat kind of judgement, I'm def not hapy haven you runnen around at nite killen peepul, even if you are Town.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mitch is his perfect role of jester.
IB was given gamebreaking info to drop a bombshell (boom go the dinosaurs)
Mets has a pointless role as per usual
Mtam should have destroyed town from the inside (more stubborn about his reads than me)

Ergo Storr is a godfather, bulletproof, joat sk.

QED

I am joking, but if we get down to really low numbers and nothing makes sense, lynch Storr.

[PLAYER57832]

Well, I think its pretty clear that the folks gunning for the past few lynches are either mafia or 3rd party. I don't buy the protestations of innocence. It looks like its going to be impossible for town to win, but we should go out kicking.

I am not going to suggest a lynch right now, though.