War on terrorism Dakky lynched: Nato & Russia win

[BuJaber]

We have dakky against mitch; mitch against dakky.
We had mandy against epitaph and vice versa earlier and they were both telling the truth.

Everyone is being so apprehensive about voting it seems. I don't have time to analyze the game until the weekend, possibly friday. However, I think we should just decide between dakky and mitch right now. I really don't like this approach, especially because it means everyone else gets an easy pass for the day.

I've been thinking about no lynch as an option; because it would mean we only lose one to ISIS and because I don't think Vig will take another shot unless they're very sure, that's just one down. HOWEVER, that means that we're back here the next day with no closer to finding the scum.

I'm gonna Unvote Vote dakky

The fact you are going to go and vote for one of the first few people to claim concerns me. You were the last person to vote for mandy as well before he voted himself and his claim was damn believable as well. So, thanks for making this easy.

Vote: BuJaber

I wanted to sound as scummy as I could while still making a valid point for town. Dakky's vote can be played off as OMGUS. Yours is a quick jump on a potentially easy target. The mistake I was waiting for.

I am 90% confident Talapus was always or has just become ISIS.

Unvote Vote Talapus.

[BuJaber]

OK, because people will need more than just my gut, here is every one of Talapus' posts:
I apologize in advance for how long this is (Summary: Talapus has built cases against people but refused to vote for them, or has posted totally useless remarks. He's scummy, vote him out)

HAHA, classic...makes me want to watch the movie now. Hopefully neither one of us dies off day or night one so we can get a page consuming and illogical argument going. Or you could call it quits right now and declare me winner

First post, probably nothing... but maybe setting up the stage to post illogical stuff later on than he can then claim to be his meta or that he's joking around as promised.

Vote: Mandy

I'm not sure how yet but the long hair in his profile photo makes it look like he is hiding something.

Joke vote so I'll ignore. His first vote of the game.

'french fries' is not stupid enough? Here in the US we fry everything.. potatoes aren't special. Let me know if I'm right.

I'm actually very scared of LSU's rules, so I will change my vote when I'm ready.

[b]Any ideas how many factions/teams we're dealing with here?[/b] I propose we all claim and then we play a who's who of who's lying.

I am going to crack a rib laughing if someone in this game is Halliburton. A self interest profit hungry corporation...gee that sounds like an almost perfect cover for Mandy...yes, I'm on to you.

And Democracy isn't something I need, I watch the news and it should alarm you that Trump is winning, lol. Maybe I'll just claim I'm an owner of a WMD and then that way everyone talks about me but no one ever finds or catches me. That would be an awesome role in this game too. But factions and teams, I think it is damn near impossible to guess until we start seeing some scenes.

The jokes start here. Epi later suggested he soft-claimed Iraq. I don't know if that's true, but if it is, wrapping it with jokes is a perfect way to do it without scrutiny.

At first, I thought Talapus soft claimed Iraq. But I guess that was a joke about being anyone who has a WMD?

Day phase only lasts 5 RL days.

BG is also one of our better town players. Floyd should know better: Vote jbfloyd

Ohhhhhh, is that where they were, someone better alert Bush...LMAO.

And my god Mandy if we as players are going t wait for the U.N. to clear each of us I think we're all screwed. Let's get some more peeps in here to keep the discussion going and narrow down a good candidate to scape goat and throw to the media to alarm and scare the masses with.

More jokes. Bolded section could indicate starting a bandwagon.

lol, I have nothing to add really.

I dont particularly care for D1. I feel like its a waste of time/energy. Short of having a day cop, the day ends with someone randomly being (mis)lynched. That someone typically is the person who talks the most and tries to get stuff done. In TNC's 50+ games, I was that guy for most of them. So D1 always had me trying to find the tiniest shred of evidence, but it would end up with me being forced to claim.

Well then, let's stay true to history and blame Iraq. Will the Iraq representative please stand up? You aren't guilty but your oil is too enticing...lol

Jokes again? or maybe he's Iraq and trying to point us elsewhere?

FOS Talapus for accusing me of skimming when I'm obviously not

This made me laugh today so well done sir.

I'm glad you're having fun, but this post is not helpful at all.

unvote BG

I's a man of my word. We don't always lynch the person who talks most. Sometimes it's the one who talks least.

If this was really an argument or justification, than you should have thrown your vote onto WinstonTurqhil...but you didn't.

So, Unvote: Mandy

Vote: jbfloyd

His second vote of the game. There's a reason behind it, but seems kind of weak to me. Still, it was day 1 and the discussion was slow, so I'll ignore this.

Talapus puts me in a catch-22. I wasn't really intending to build a case on anyone at this point, but Talapus seems to think that if you're posting and not building a case (or something) then it's your turn in the corner.

I don't think that all on day one, unless something shines forth and merits a case. Later on in game than sure. But as you can see from the high quality posts I have so far you will see I'm not out to build any case Quite honestly I voted you because you used your own logic to cast a vote, but only followed through with half of your logic as another vote wasn't brought forth. So, best thing I've seen so far and thus you have my attention.

However if someone in here pushes the awesomeness of Bush, freedom fries, and declares repeatedly why the USA is so star spangled awesome then they would probably get my vote at this point because I think they are trying too hard and hiding something.

That's you queue there mandy...lol

Bolded section will be important a few posts later (When talapus himself posts multiple times without really building a case at all, his own logic, a red flag). Underlined begs the question why not? Day 1 cases may not be backed up with a lot of evidence, but if you can build a case then it's just as important as any other day.
Encouraging Mandy to further continue what I can only assume is your tradition of jokes back and forth with him seems like an attempt for you to waste time.

Actually Mandy not feeling well makes this day bearable...no three pages of far out conclusions to read through and analyse . But feel better man, home and sick sucks for sure.

TWR thing I have to be honest have never played with this player before. Was their statement even slightly accurate? There are certain players that just by opening their mouths the noose gets tighter but I have zero past experience on that player to know. Still certainly not the way to start. Makes it look as a player they will cave to the whims of the popular vote or way the wind is blowing just to satisfy the masses and that's a terrible idea especially if your role is valuable.

For mitch, ya I see it and unfortunately have seen comments like that before on day one from him before as well . I think that's more him than anything else. Trying now to remember the game as it has been awhile.

But yes, let's replace inactives instead of lynching them please. The last thing we need is to lynch a power role just because he failed to grace us with his presence

First post where he talks about TWR's strange behavior.

You can consider this Mandy-rant lite...

Really??? I guess then I need a subscription for the fat free/gluten free version next time because it is still wordy. Will look this over in a bit when I have more time from working to give it the attention you no doubt expect it to deserve.

More jokes. First post where he claims he will re-read things when he has more time.

You can consider this Mandy-rant lite...

Really??? I guess then I need a subscription for the fat free/gluten free version next time because it is still wordy. Will look this over in a bit when I have more time from working to give it the attention you no doubt expect it to deserve.

It does deserve it! How many days does it take fo you to read one brilliant post and then sing praises to the author?! Sing my praises already, damn your ovaries! Sing them! SING!!!

I missed the brilliance...sorry dude. See the logic and reasoning behind it and no doubt with epi's response you will regale us with a full page tale of treachery and deceit and some how wrap it up all nicely in a CONCISE SUMMARY*nudge, nudge, wink wink* for me to read later...lol.

Couple things I guess. First off, the mason talk is ridiculous. Thank you captain obvious for opening the door on mason talk. You are playing a game based on what quite frankly could have caused complete instability in middle east for all the nations on the plant. Sure they have had problems for centuries but every flipping person on the planet thinks they know how to deal with it. With that in mind you have zero idea what nations, special interest groups, government contractors, religious solo fanatics, or other political groups with motives can communicate in this game. Reaching out like that seems useless as I'm sure as the game progresses alliances and needs will change based on the story and thus some form of communication will happen. So discussing this before we know anything is a total waste of time.

I see the Dak conversation as having slightly more to go on then the epi convo at the moment, but that's also because I have yet to read epi's response as I am just summing up so far as I catch up.

As for TWR I'm seeing more than anything a player who has been screwed in the past either from action or non-action and is too afraid to say much else on grounds it will hurt them. It's day 1, I'm willing to cut them a bit a slack and see how this plays out.

Also I agree with Ragain, mass claims make sense in some setups and games and just because you got screwed in one game pt never means mass claims are bad. They can be quite beneficial in certain setups though I believe this to not be one of them just based on the fact that for several of our roles it could be hard to decide alignment.

Back the twr...I mean really what were you thinking coming out claiming town will miss you later on if they need to analyse something....really? Even if you live through the day I would think that kind of puts a bright neon arrow over your head saying, "Hey bad guys, I know stuff and I'm gonna tell." I wish you all the luck in the world still being alive come day 3 with comments like that.

And I read Epi's response...ehhh. not enough to sway me and think Epi is clean but not enough to make me think mandy is scum either(Though usually buddy I think that just to be safe).

So to sum up, lot's of day 1 shenanigans and best thing so far is the dak argument which although isn't strong is something. I doubt twr will live long, mason talk is complete bs so early in the game, BU's list already has 5 scum based on gut(You are correct, not useful because that seems slightly high and again alliances I'm sure will change as game goes on), and no doubt we will get a one page rebuttal from mandy based on epi's response(Remember dude, cliff notes at bottom please). With the weekend ahead of us and more discussion to come I will quite simply just not move my vote out of respect for the mod until we get closer to deadline.

Bolded section: why? I for one know exactly where I stand in this game. All the survivors who have died so far have been NATO-sided. That seems pretty straightforward to me. Maybe your role is different.
You say you have never played with TWR before and that's fine. But his plays are standing out for you and yet you are unwilling to do anything about it. At the same time you are sure he will not survive.
Summaries are useful if you add something to them, which you don't really do. Unwilling to change vote to someone who makes more sense to yourself claiming it's out of respect for mod.

There we go, that'll do me.

Vote Talapus.

Summary of his post above:

*Oh please dont lynch anyone, lets be clear I dont accuse anyone, ignore me*

I'll give you time to catch up, but my vote is on someone with a reason already. It's ok though, certainly missed playing with some of you guys

I don't really like the fact that you didn't change your vote on jb at this point, but fine, the D1 cases weren't particularly strong against any one person in particular.

No singing?

I'm tone deaf anyway man, I assure you I'm doing us all a favor.

Thanks?

yep i will go along with that

vote talapus

... . So you claim a power roll, offer zero additional input, respond to nothing in the post I put up to begin with questioning why you'd put such a huge target on your own back, and then willingly claim " I will go along with that"??? You do realize attitudes like that make you seem like you'll be the first individual to hop on a bandwagon right? Which, as a supposed pro-town role, is a bad idea. Not to mention, and I find this part hilarious, you didn't want to say anything to begin with because you were afraid it would make you look like scum and yet you have zero problem jumping in with this gem and offering nothing additional.

I'd totally vote you for a move like this if I didn't actually think you may just be a a sheep of a town folk. Because from what I have seen so far I see zero indication this play style for you is not the norm unfortunately.

The case on TWR grows bigger, yet Talapus refuses to vote for him. He has no experience playing with TWR, yet is confident enough that TWR is a clueless townie.

yep i will go along with that

vote talapus

... . So you claim a power roll, offer zero additional input, respond to nothing in the post I put up to begin with questioning why you'd put such a huge target on your own back, and then willingly claim " I will go along with that"??? You do realize attitudes like that make you seem like you'll be the first individual to hop on a bandwagon right? Which, as a supposed pro-town role, is a bad idea. Not to mention, and I find this part hilarious, you didn't want to say anything to begin with because you were afraid it would make you look like scum and yet you have zero problem jumping in with this gem and offering nothing additional.

I'd totally vote you for a move like this if I didn't actually think you may just be a a sheep of a town folk. Because from what I have seen so far I see zero indication this play style for you is not the norm unfortunately.

This is my first vote in the game. the reason for the delay is that its really a crap shoot trying to find scum on day 1.

I have had many opportunities to follow others like a sheep, but have constantly declined.

Now, a very experienced player points out that you don't really want to lynch anyone, i value wing's opinion and because i happen to agree with him i am suddenly a sheep? [b]bet you would not have said that had i voted for dakky[/b]

The hell I wouldn't. Had you jumped in with a vote on dakky the same way you voted me simply by saying, " i will go along with that", you still would have garnered suspicion. WHY would you go along with that? At least now you gave justification, all though it is all smoke. For a couple reasons actually, first off wing posted that before he even read everything and that's fine, that's his thought process. But you claim day 1 is a crap shoot to begin with and now you are saying because I don't want to lynch anyone that makes me the best target based on what someone else claims??? FYI, I have not stated the no lynch thing...in case you were curious.

So yes, for the actions stated above you look like a sheep. But I still think in general this is your play style and I am doubting you are pulling the wool over everyone's eyes and playing some clever ruse as scum. I'd still be amazed if you live the next few nights based on your ability claim but who knows, stranger things can happen.

More astonishing lack of action against TWR. In my opinion you have made the biggest and best case against him but seem reluctant to vote for him. And a few posts down, we will see that this is a pattern with you. Perfect way to shine the spotlight here and there while keeping yourself in the shadows.

... we need to get 7 votes against the same person to lynch. Surprise surprise, that means that one person votes and 6 others follow like sheep.

Not at all, it should mean those other 6 make decisions they are reasonably happy with based on what is there to begin with. What you are describing quite literally is a bandwagon.

And quite honestly there is no reason to quote what you said earlier and feed us all some line about how wing got it wrong. When you claim it isn't a soft claim and that town will find your ability of analysis later on in the game that typically means something akin to a cop role. Again, grats for outing yourself so early, maybe one of the other players will buy your usefulness for later and decide to save you but that's a mighty large target to paint on your own back day one.

Okay maybe you don't wanna vote for him because you believe he will be killed. That's a strange stance to take if you ask me unless you're not town. If you believe him to be town with you you would not have this nonchalant attitude towards a fellow townie getting killed. If you believe him to be scummy you would vote or encourage others to vote against him.

My vote stays on Epi. Although the case against dakky is good, I feel that Epi is a better target since his lynch has implications on the cases against TWR and BG.

Ok, although I would never admit that you had a semi decent idea or that I agree with you as quite simply I just can't bring myself to that realization, I will say that for this thought process alone I see that maybe on some obscure cosmic level this line of logic has benefits. However, I'm torn mainly for the fact that so far I have disagreed with nearly everything coming out of TWR's and I really can't bring myself to thinking he's scum rather then an out of touch villager just because I can't really see scum playing this way. But my magic 8 ball might just be hazy and twr is fooling me. I would like to see a vote count and will look back over the point on epi and dakky and make up my mind. Also, you made me visually picture earthworms jumping and it amused me, so well done sir.

Cliff notes for Tal: You should vote Epi. Was that short enough?

Indeed, although you buried them at the bottom, they should be at the top so I don't have to muddle through mandy logic to find them...

More posts about TWR that lead to absolutely no action on your part. If you were sincerely worried that he will be killed you would try to help him. If you were sincerely confident that he's town you would stop wasting time talking about him and talk more about someone who might be scum. The thing at the end is not helpful, which is becoming a pattern with your posts.

Damn, this game seems to be headed for a wall quickly, it means it is time for a consensus I suppose. However figuring out the best way to approach this is a challenge. A couple things I guess:

Why there was such a discussion about exact wording people used in some of their posts based on what LSU was calling townies is beyond me as it seems fairly useless for now. We want to take out ISIS that should be the main focus. Until we actually start getting some scenes to see the terminology LSU uses, the rest is moot in my mind.

BG is obviously annoyed and ready to lynch whatever, though I disagree about never anything to go on for day in some games.

I think looking to far into some of the posts earlier in the game when certain players were still having fun and messing around and trying to read alignments out of obvious jokes is also useless.

Love the ego wing...

But Talapus appears to have taken the stay quiet approach to avoiding my wrath so I am not switching yet.

I think maybe you should look back and realize it isn't my first quiet approach but yes, it must be because of you...lol

Finally I have reread now twice and I don't see what pt claimed to be. Obviously I gave up on TWR as I think that player tightened their own noose. And as for mitch what he has done so far is what I have seen him do in other games and I'm still as much at a loss for his alignment as I was in those.

So this brings me back to my original thought about a consensus being a challenge. Obviously we need one, but I don't think just forcing a player to claim is really any benefit. 15 of us and close to 200 nations on the planet. Unless someone comes out and claims Russia or China, or one of the main ones someone else is likely counter it will be damn difficult to call BS. Also, unless someone is truly dumb enough to claim Vatican City or something...lol. So not sure how a claim is going to aid us here.

Epi, dakky, BG, and TWR seem to be the ones with the most votes people are willing to consider today where it seems Tobi may just be under the radar. With ISIS still small, they will jump on the best candidate close to a lynch as the day wraps up in order to end it and recruit someone...this game gets harder the more they recruit so I'd really like to not miss tonight. So I guess out of these 4 I will look back and decide.

He's not sure how claims can help anyone because it's very easy to pick a country and claim it. (We will revisit this)
Once again a promise to reread and bless us with some action.

. I want a Tal-rant!
...

Patience young grasshopper...as you saw in my above post I wanted to go reread on the 4 and decide, and although not a rant, it is a decision.

First off:

TWR: Waste of time and effort currently. If you really don't know why I feel this way then you should probably stop skimming.

Epi: Obviously a current fan favorite and for day 1, a decent argument to base a vote on. But after rereading I have decided a different players actions are slightly more questionable. Also based on the logic mandy pointed out about us having an idea about BG or TWR based on lynch results I really just can't get behind the idea. Mainly because TWR has no idea what's going on and BG just seems done with a game already.

BG: Well, this one is tough based on so little coming out and being posted. attitude kind of sucks and obviously not a fan in general of day one but hey some people aren't...so not enough here in my mind to base a vote on.

Dakky: You finally have my attention. Let's start with this:

I agree with Epi and Rag about me not helping town, but at this moment I can only stick to the post count as scum almost always tends to be silent, especially on D1. Unfortunately no one voted for a mod or Arnold Schwarzenegger so I can stick to that and no one made any obvious mistake so far. Except mitch, who didn't react to my joke vote on him as he normally reacts. Only after I asked why didn't he react, then he wrote something, expecting to be funny as always, but this time I think he may not be town. So my vote on him stands.

Not a bad assumption, but it is going to come back to bite you here towards the end of this.

Winston - Pretty sure he's not playing at this point. We could just lynch him so the mod doesn't have to worry about replacing him. Does that count as making the Mod happy?

See, this particular sentence in the middle of your thread got my attention. First, what would town have from lynching the inactive and second, why do you care about a mod? This was a pure scum play, as you want to lynch anyone, even an inactive. BIG FOS on you.

See, in my eyes silent/inactive...kinda of the same thing. So seems like a contradiction, don't lynch the inactive but scum are the more silent ones...huh? Again though we will revisit.

I agree about Epi. Though, such deep thoughts and investigations will probably lead to EPI being lynched, but if he is town, you're next.

unvote, vote Epitaph1

So now you have departed from from your joke voting based on meta and gone against your lynch the silent D1 norm for an argument mandy brings forth which you agree with. Even if it involved a bit more deep thought than your norms.

Dakky's only defense is that he's always on the block day 1... so my vote will stay there for now. I can see mandy's case on Epi also, so if town decides that's a better case I can see switching if my vote is needed to do something with day 1.

[b]
So you're willing to bandwagon on anyone else?

Ok, here are my brief notes on my favorite supects so far:

DAKKY

Between his post count summary and his setting up mandy if epi is town (while switching to vote epi himself), Dakky does seem to be the best case so far day 1, so I will [color=#FF0000]unvote, vote dakky

I agree, dakky seems scummy indeed for this. It's basically an attempt to a) get a free pass during Day 1 because we would be lynching Epi and b) if Epi turns Town then he is trying to cement me as Day 2 lynch target for another free pass.

FOS dakky

I don't want a free pass. What you just said is - if Epi turns town, then you are probably town as well. But if Epi turns scum.... that's another story. You're constantly FOS-ing people without voting, looks like you really want anyone dead.

Two things I like here the most is the bandwagon comment, which as we already know Dakky gave up his/her meta voting D1 policy and other day 1 policy that scum are silent to throw a vote onto Epi with literally none of his/her own reasoning. Yet you are going to call out another player for their potential band wagoning stance...HA

And the second point is you have a problem with mandy FOS'ing when all you did so far was base a vote on meta and then BW? Then you accuse him of wanting anyone dead...hilarious.

Then as the vote dakky express continues to pick up speed it isn't really until BG votes him that there seems to be a bit of push back. A few posts in between before we really hear anything from dakky that is of substance, but here is what we get.

So what exactly have you added to this game yet? You're being here and just staying under the radar. Everyone else posted something valuable. You're more scummier than I am, but people are still "considering your play is normal for D1"... while I actually tried to scumhunt and got accused.

Just a quick question.... why do you all skimmed my post about BG? 8 posts without saying anything except vote for me, without any reason? Now his first suspect is Mitch, without changing vote to him? Why no one asks about that? BG is "playing normally for D1" ? WTF. Looks like he would mis-lynch anyone, just as he said in the first few posts. "Don't waste your energy guys, lets just get over with it" isn't scummy at all. Right...

I'm pretty sure there dakky you were trying to explain to all of us earlier in the game that your meta vote for mitch and you typically being the day one choice is normal D1 activity. Yet you now have a problem with BG because others say that's the norm for him? Ummmm, pot, meet kettle...kettle meet pot. FYI, they are both black in case you were wondering...lol.

Call it bandwagoning, but I actually given my reasons this time.

vote BGtheBrain

So your "reasons" and I quote it because the s implies there are multiple when really even just the one is hard to justify is basically that he hasn't posted much or contributed anything. And this is better then the vote on Epi which is based on more how exactly?

The fact I really love is you jump on board to bandwagon, question others as to why they think it's ok to bandwagon others while feigning innocence, and then once again decide to hop on one of your own making and call it exactly what it is...love it.

I find it highly suspicious you play like you normally do according to you and use that logic to base all your votes but have issues with others doing it. Then go along with mandy because he makes a decent case against a player to which you add nothing and then feign surprise that others may be willing to bandwagon. Don't do a whole hell of a lot for yourself to slow the lynch dakky express as it picks up speed, and then really only offer an argument against another player that is a weaker argument than the one you currently are voting for. Something isn't adding up for sure.

But as Tobi has now fastpoted me I don't want to vote you without giving you a chance to claim because the odds are not currently in your favor. Just don't want scum hammering before you get a chance to respond

A wall of text, and another pretty good case against someone that all leads to absolutely nothing once again. He tells us he finally read everything and made a decision, but no he doesn't want to vote.

Nice essay Tal. How did you manage to say nothing in it? I like the encouragement of others bandwagons at the end. Nice touch.

Wow, you really see what you want in things don't you?

I think Dakky is now at lynch -1 I missed BU's vote so am hoping no one hammers before we hear back from them.

So you don't want to hammer. You know what? It sounds like because you have stated several times that hopping on a bandwagon is one of the biggest scum tells, you just don't want people to use it against you. I get the fear of lynching a townie, but I've never met someone as reluctant as you are, and if you truly are town, then you should know that having this attitude continuously during the game is not helpful for town because sometimes you just need to risk it a little and make decisions or else town loses. Indecisive and gun-shy towns make for easy scum victories.

Being on L-1 or L-2 (whatsoever)

I will claim vanilla NATO sided Villager.

Tobikera first mentioned Villagers and Mandy first mentioned NATO. Since both words are in my role, I guess they have the same role as I do. Or similar, but NATO sided. I guess there could be ISIS Villagers, but Tobikera mentioned Vanilla Villagers in his post and separately mentioned scum, so I guess he is a Villager as well.

There was talk about Villages and Villagers (notice the difference) and I even mentioned it page before, but seems no one took it for granted.

Well, now you know. That's why I consider Tobi & Mandy NATO aligned and Wing is being "proactive" against ISIS so he could fit in the same basket, probably.

Damn, I buy this claim.

It was BS how quickly you wanted to hammer there mitch.

So FOS mitch

There was no time limit we would have all the time needed to hear from dakky. That being said I'm now unsure exactly the way I want to vote next. Dakky's actions had me fairly convinced but I buy the claim...ok need sleep big test tomorrow but will vote tomorrow night when back I guess.

Remember when he said claims don't really help us? But one claim was enough to convince him that dakky is not scum.
Seems a little too easy to convince you that he's innocent. Still no change of vote from you, but okay let's give you time to rethink, after all you promised us a vote the day after.

unvote vote dakky


lets get this show on the road

Id like to point to those players who didnt participate on voting for the obvious 2 choices. What was the hold up with them? Trying to stay off of a mislynch? Trying to keep a scummate from being hammered? sjkdasdjkfgsdkfjhlkhsdlghjkdfg

...I think you just hammered Jordan. Totally the wrong third party to go after. Come on LSU let's see what we got.

Miscounting, the promised vote never comes and (fake?) eagerness to see what role got lynched.

Speaking frankly here, if a vig is in this game and had to use a night kill, Epi was the right choice based on popular opinion. I still don't buy TWR being smart enough to be ISIS unless they got recruited last night so I have zero intention of throwing my vote that way...But I would agree it is most likely someone who was on the Epi wagon was /is our vig and probably with enough conviction to post their thoughts but they still failed so they night killed. But I refuse to look into that and help out someone ISIS could really use.

I am traveling abroad right now for rest of week so don't have time to look back and see who my number one suspect would be. But it would certainly be someone on the Mandy wagon towards the lynch because he clearly knew what he was talking about earlier in the game with NATO and some people deliberately ignored it...so ISIS is in there somewhere. Maybe able to post tomorrow my thoughts on that.

Okay so you based on popular opinion which doesn't necessarily include you, but earlier you said the Epi case is weak and now you say vig shooting epi was the right choice.

Well, I was able to read and get caught up but my flight is about to board in Istanbul so you will probably not get anything from me until I land back in the states and sleep a day so maybe Sunday. I will say I have no idea why some of you are so worried about how unbalanced the game may be...there isn't enough info to know exactly what's going on but LSU wouldn't create a game where town is completely screwed from the get go...

Talapus rereads and comes back with nothing. Also LSU specifically said that his games (especially this one) might be unbalanced and it would be a mistake to assume that it was balanced. Not sure why you're not worried.

Well I made it back and will try to get back into game mode here. I find it interested that BG couldn't care less about the game all game so far except for possibly one post and now he wants to be replaced....makes it hard to read where his allegiance may be, but now guess we will have to wait and hear from his replacement.

More posts where you say things that make you sound like you're contributing and that you want to give everyone a fair shot. Still though it all sums up to no real action from you.

We have dakky against mitch; mitch against dakky.
We had mandy against epitaph and vice versa earlier and they were both telling the truth.

Everyone is being so apprehensive about voting it seems. I don't have time to analyze the game until the weekend, possibly friday. However, I think we should just decide between dakky and mitch right now. I really don't like this approach, especially because it means everyone else gets an easy pass for the day.

I've been thinking about no lynch as an option; because it would mean we only lose one to ISIS and because I don't think Vig will take another shot unless they're very sure, that's just one down. HOWEVER, that means that we're back here the next day with no closer to finding the scum.

I'm gonna Unvote Vote dakky

The fact you are going to go and vote for one of the first few people to claim concerns me. You were the last person to vote for mandy as well before he voted himself and his claim was damn believable as well. So, thanks for making this easy.

Vote: BuJaber

Oh yay. Finally a vote with substance. At this stage in the game and without any other good targets this is a bandwagon. Like I said before I felt that I was good bait and you took it. For some reason you're believing everyone's earlier claims.
Day 1 we didn't have a lot of good cases but we had a lot of bandwagons. Therefore scum were happy because someone other than them was going to get lynched. D2 is a lot slower, with no potential target in sight, so talapus (scum) has decided that it might be better to start things up before the discussion lands on one of his buddies. Also I don't like how strongly he is defending dakky.

I tried to proofread this for typos, sorry if i missed any. Thanks everyone who actually reads the whole thing. I left the quotes within quotes in most occasions for context.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Talapus

A) for sheer effort in the post above
B) i think bujaber is town
C) i told you all talapus was scum yesterday....

[Talapus]

[quote="WingCmdr Ginkapo"]Vote Talapus

LOL, shocker from wing. With this playstyle no wonder town is going down.

And my god Bujaber, talk about a lot of hot air. I'm scum because I didn't want to vote for people so far who have been proven town...hilarious. Well let's see what we do with the information than because I think the trend will continue at this rate.
I'm Oman, and I'm NATO sided.

Why claim?, Why not. Apparently the masses seem to like to target the town so let's see where this goes.

[Ragian]

unvote

He does have a point, though. You're saying loads, but not getting involved. I've seen scum do that a lot. I don't know what to do here. How about exploring it a bit?

@BuJ, let's say that Tala is scum. Who would you think are his scummates and why? (Sorry if I've missed it, but it was a reaaaally long post.)

[jbfloyd]

Hmmm... yes. Can we get a tl;dr version of that post? Otherwise, my thoughts will have to wait until this evening on (probably will anyway) on talapus vs. BuJ. Too much to digest. BuJ at least seems to have the courage of his convictions.

[BuJaber]

The TLDR version was at the top: "I apologize in advance for how long this is (Summary: Talapus has built cases against people but refused to vote for them, or has posted totally useless remarks. He's scummy, vote him out)"

For my evidence you have to read the whole thing, sorry.

Ragian: I'm not sure. I'm currently leaning towards 3 definite ISIS (started with 1, 1 was recruited, 1 joined as a result of bad airstrike) with possibly ISIS-sided villages. I know hotshot is in my scum list but I haven't really found anything substantial yet to back it up. Also dakky/mitch .. I find it hard to believe that they're both telling the truth, and I'm leaning towards town for mitch and scum for dakky. dakky because I feel that town wouldn't rely on meta as much as he is in this game. There are one or two others but I'll keep it to myself for now while I try to build a case.

Tala: I'm willing to jump to that conclusion. It's only hot air if I'm wrong. Oman might be a good claim, but pretty meaningless. We have no idea how much of this ties with real world events. Iran turned out to be NATO-sided for example.. who would've guessed that?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@BuJ, let's say that Tala is scum. Who would you think are his scummates and why? (Sorry if I've missed it, but it was a reaaaally long post.)

Wrong thoughts. You should be looking for cult recruiter, who by definition was acting alone until presumably recruited last night.

[madmitch]

@ BuJ ,Just finished your post, got headache and eyes are now crossed, but I got the main ideal of it, you think Tal is scum and you did seem to prove it.Don't want to vote yet because I some how get accused of jumping on the band wagon, but if I vote later I am trying to hammer,can;t win . @

@BuJ, let's say that Tala is scum. Who would you think are his scummates and why? (Sorry if I've missed it, but it was a reaaaally long post.)

Wrong thoughts. You should be looking for cult recruiter, who by definition was acting alone until presumably recruited last night.

Don't understand you WCG , scummates would be ISIS recruiter ,killer, all of them. It almost seems like you are trying to get us not to look at Tal.

[jbfloyd]

unvote

Vote Talapus

I found it to be a reasonably convincing case in the end. For me, it's Talapus, or a low-participation player that might be trying to stay under the radar. Working under WCG's assumption that we the head bad guy is recruiting, then my gut tells me the person with the juicy roll would have more interest in the game and would at least be putting on a show.

[madmitch]

not sure where the vote count is atbecause of the long post, but VOTE TALAPUS IT seems like the logical thing to do.

[Talapus]

Well seems it is the thing to do...mandy was on to something.

Unvote

Vote: Talapus

Town stands no chance at this rate.

[BuJaber]

Well seems it is the thing to do...mandy was on to something.

Unvote

Vote: Talapus

Town stands no chance at this rate.

No it isn't. Mandy doing it was to uncheck some imaginary mafia bucket list item. If everyone wants to die faster fine.. clearly this format isn't gathering much appeal.

Based on my count:
Talapus at 5 votes (L-2)
1 IB: Tobikera
1 Mitch: dakky.

[Ragian]

@BuJ, let's say that Tala is scum. Who would you think are his scummates and why? (Sorry if I've missed it, but it was a reaaaally long post.)

Wrong thoughts. You should be looking for cult recruiter, who by definition was acting alone until presumably recruited last night.

Not wrong thoughts at all. Fine, I used the word "scum" because BuJ did. I don't know of any "scum" in this game apart from ISIS. If it's a cult, then cult. Stop trying to misrepresent me because of semantics. Especially after BuJ in the post right above mine said ISIS.

Are you looking at the cult recruiter, then? Is it Tala? How is me exploring it wrong then? IGMEOY, Wing.

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by madmitch on Wed May 11, 2016 2:35 am

@ BuJ ,Just finished your post, got headache and eyes are now crossed, but I got the main ideal of it, you think Tal is scum and you did seem to prove it.Don't want to vote yet because I some how get accused of jumping on the band wagon, but if I vote later I am trying to hammer,can;t win . @

@BuJ, let's say that Tala is scum. Who would you think are his scummates and why? (Sorry if I've missed it, but it was a reaaaally long post.)

Wrong thoughts. You should be looking for cult recruiter, who by definition was acting alone until presumably recruited last night.

Don't understand you WCG , scummates would be ISIS recruiter ,killer, all of them. It almost seems like you are trying to get us not to look at Tal.

by madmitch on Wed May 11, 2016 2:56 am

not sure where the vote count is atbecause of the long post, but VOTE TALAPUS IT seems like the logical thing to do.

That's what, 20 minutes? I am more and more sold on this case. First, he doesn't want to appear to bandwagoning. That wouldn't be your concern unless you actually know that you're voting for someone who's innocent. But after we have one more vote on Tala, mitch finds it logical.

unvote vote mitch

Guys, I'm urging you to revisit the collective "evidence" against mitch.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Rage, by definition a cult recruiter doesnt have MATES. I wasnt being petty about your use of the term scum.

[Ragian]

Okay, fair enough. I apologise. I don't know why I would think that would be up your alley. Maybe I'm thinking of Storr?

Anyway, lemme rephrase it then: Let's say Tala is the recruiter, whom do you (plural) think would be his target last night? I know it's probably irrelevant to discuss who joined out of free will (due to the bombings), but surely we could discuss whom we think Tala would have recruited if we say that he's ISIS.

@Wing, I do urge you to look at mitch, though. Don't you find it weird how he first didn't want to draw attention to himself with his vote and then voted when seeing that so many had joined that it wouldn't appear out of the ordinary? I mean, combined with his D1 play...

[madmitch]

@ Ragian are you not happy with the two camels I traded for your daughter, you been trying to kill me for awhile .

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Wing, I do urge you to look at mitch, though. Don't you find it weird how he first didn't want to draw attention to himself with his vote and then voted when seeing that so many had joined that it wouldn't appear out of the ordinary? I mean, combined with his D1 play...

I have WIFOM reasons for not suspecting mitch. Posting them wont help.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

On the road coming back from mother's day. Offhand the vote count looks accurate, but I'll doublecheck it a little later. pershy is replacing bgthebrain

[Ragian]

Right. So you're no good. Anyone?

[BuJaber]

I don't have any strong reasons not to vote mitch.. I just see Tala as a better candidate in my mind.

Basically, I'm down to switch only if mitch becomes the lynch favorite.

[HotShot53]

@ Ragian are you not happy with the two camels I traded for your daughter, you been trying to kill me for awhile .

Now madmitch is into posting flavor... which is not a good sign for him. Combined with his attempted hammer, he's more of a viable lynch candidate for me now, but I'm not sold on it yet.

For Talapus, I can see the case on him, however he is (or was?) at L-2, so I will wait until he posts his claim before deciding to vote him or not. If he is scum or recruiter, ragian posted a nice diversionary post against madmitch right while Talapus was getting some heat, could be a buddy.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote Count: 13 alive 7 to lynch

5 Talapus: Bujaber, Wing, JBFloyd, Mitch, Talapus
2 IB: Tobikera, TWR
1 Mitch: Ragian
1 Bujaber: Dakky,

[Ragian]

@ Ragian are you not happy with the two camels I traded for your daughter, you been trying to kill me for awhile .

Now madmitch is into posting flavor... which is not a good sign for him. Combined with his attempted hammer, he's more of a viable lynch candidate for me now, but I'm not sold on it yet.

For Talapus, I can see the case on him, however he is (or was?) at L-2, so I will wait until he posts his claim before deciding to vote him or not. If he is scum or recruiter, ragian posted a nice diversionary post against madmitch right while Talapus was getting some heat, could be a buddy.

Or a man with blinders on

From what I see, the whole case against Tala is that he doesn't vote, right? I haven't played enough games with him to know if that's his style or out of character. At least with mitch, he posts flavour when out of his element.

[madmitch]

Maybe I do jump the gun sometimes and get on the band wagon or in this case camel train, but that is better than not voting at all . Tal not voting or not going through with his vote is just scummy, He sits there and gets everyone else to do his dirty work for him. Another thing he brags hat he doesn;t need Democracy and has a WMD , he sounds dangerous and should be stopped.