Random Historical Mafia(The Gunpowder Plot); Town Win!

[Marashu]

However... with it being day 1.. how much time can we spend just talking? We have no actions to talk about, just pure guesses, and longer discussions are likely to create confusion which only helps scum. [...]
5 days is a quite a long time for 12 players though so it's possible the game ends before then anyway.

D1 12 players
N1 11 players
D2 10 players
N2 9 players
D3 8 players
N3 7 players
D4 6 players
N4 5 players
D5 4 players <- This would be the start of Nov 5. This, of course, assumes that we don't have a vigi and that nothing ends up blocking a kill. I don't know if we would need to kill the whole mafia or just Guy Fawkes by then, if it is a timed thing, but if it is, I think it's safe to assume no more than 3 mafia, since 4 mafia (33% of the starting players) would require us to not mislynch if we want to have them all dead by D5. So I guess 5 days is a long time, but ideally we would want it to end before D5, yeah?

As for D1, the longer discussion helps town in the long run. Once we start getting information later in the game, it's useful to see who is defending whom, who is interacting with whom, and so on. It can help build or solidify cases later on. So while they're probably causing some confusion right now, I doubt it's to achieve the lofty goal of a D1 mislynch.

That said...
Vote BuJaber

I don't like how you seem to be saying there's lots of time for discussion, but want to rush D1. That, and if we're gonna get a claim from someone, I think I'd rather have it sooner so we have time to discuss it, rather than be forcing claims right near deadline - especially if your claim somehow does trigger a character mass claim. I'm pretty sure my vote puts you at L-3 - IIRC, L-2 is normally where people are requested to claim, yes?

ptlowe, if you're lurking, come out and say hi.

[BuJaber]

At least two of the people who voted for me already are scum. I refuse to believe 4 townies would have voted this fast. This should help town later. Also I already had suspected one of them, and this makes it clear in my mind. Sadly I'm not a vig.

This is exactly the type of thing I wanted to happen. I didn't expect I'd be the bandwagon but it's the same result.

I said there was lots of time for discussion after william said he will extend deadline to 7 days or even more. However I don't think we should take a very long time because like I said that can lead to more confusion and scum strive on confusion.

I will claim if it reaches L-1.

[TimWoodbury]

At least two of the people who voted for me already are scum. I refuse to believe 4 townies would have voted this fast. This should help town later. Also I already had suspected one of them, and this makes it clear in my mind. Sadly I'm not a vig.

This is exactly the type of thing I wanted to happen. I didn't expect I'd be the bandwagon but it's the same result.

I said there was lots of time for discussion after william said he will extend deadline to 7 days or even more. However I don't think we should take a very long time because like I said that can lead to more confusion and scum strive on confusion.

I will claim if it reaches L-1.

if you have a suspecion of at least 1 potential scum please do share so if you turn town we know who to look at maybe see who they avoid/who they almost seemingly work with

[dakky21]

At least two of the people who voted for me already are scum. I refuse to believe 4 townies would have voted this fast. This should help town later. Also I already had suspected one of them, and this makes it clear in my mind. Sadly I'm not a vig.

As Tim says, if you think you know who is scum, based on their play or meta, you should write it down, especially if you got a good case on suspected one. Waiting for others to make cases and then bandwagoning onto them is scummy so please either write it or have my vote as well.

[HotShot53]

At least two of the people who voted for me already are scum. I refuse to believe 4 townies would have voted this fast. This should help town later. Also I already had suspected one of them, and this makes it clear in my mind. Sadly I'm not a vig.

This is exactly the type of thing I wanted to happen. I didn't expect I'd be the bandwagon but it's the same result.

I said there was lots of time for discussion after william said he will extend deadline to 7 days or even more. However I don't think we should take a very long time because like I said that can lead to more confusion and scum strive on confusion.

I will claim if it reaches L-1.

*echos tim and dakky* So who are the scum?

As I was reading the thread, I didn't like how BuJaber voted Mitch just because of Dakky's vote on mitch, and then in his recent posts he seems to be very nervous/jumpy in defending himself. So I will join and unvote, vote BuJaber

I would recommend claiming now at L-2, as is normally done on this site BuJaber. Waiting until L-1 is riskier because after a claim you can be hammered by one person, or can be accidentally hammered by someone who miscounted the votes on you.

[Metsfanmax]

At least two of the people who voted for me already are scum. I refuse to believe 4 townies would have voted this fast.

Yeah, maybe. Or (if you are town) people are just making a mistake. It does happen in this game. Taking an action because "you refuse to believe" a plausible alternative can be a pretty risky play. Or, you are scum yourself and are hoping that you don't get lynched and can then later point to someone on your wagon. Like everyone else said, you need to do better than this, because even if you are right, it doesn't help us one bit in figuring out who is scum and who is not.

[william18]

Vote Count:

Tim - ptlowe
Metsfanmax - Timwoodbury
madmitch - BuJaber, Dakky21
Bujaber - Ragian, madmitch, IronButterfly, Marashu, Hotshot53

[dakky21]

BTW william, can you prod LSU? Not even a confirmation post, maybe he should be replaced by Wing already.

[william18]

BTW william, can you prod LSU? Not even a confirmation post, maybe he should be replaced by Wing already.

Idk if hes on vacation or something. I was thinking replacing him on day 2. Unless you guys want him replaced now?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I dont tend to log in that much these days, so just post here if you want me to pay attention Willliam. I am reading

[Iron Butterfly]

BTW william, can you prod LSU? Not even a confirmation post, maybe he should be replaced by Wing already.

Idk if hes on vacation or something. I was thinking replacing him on day 2. Unless you guys want him replaced now?

Replace him now ASAP.

[william18]

I dont tend to log in that much these days, so just post here if you want me to pay attention Willliam. I am reading

Alright, I'm sending you the pm for LSU Josh.

[Ragian]

Great. Let's get the fun police in here

[gregwolf121]

i agree that Bujaber's posts have seemed off to me, but since he is at L-2 i will wait for him to claim to cast my vote, if he refuses to claim i would be willing to put him to L-1, but claiming at L-2 is better so that the mafia can't quick lynch a target. also with LSU being replaced i want wing to have some time to read/comment on the day before we end it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Great. Let's get the fun police in here

Youre hardly the life and soul of the party here.

My gut says Bujaber and Dakky are scum. However Tim should be lynched for calling 1605 aincent history.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Is bonfire night a global event, or just uk tradition?

[Marashu]

Is bonfire night a global event, or just uk tradition?

Pretty sure it's a UK thing. At the very least, we don't have it here in Canada.

[BuJaber]

i agree that Bujaber's posts have seemed off to me, but since he is at L-2 i will wait for him to claim to cast my vote, if he refuses to claim i would be willing to put him to L-1, but claiming at L-2 is better so that the mafia can't quick lynch a target. also with LSU being replaced i want wing to have some time to read/comment on the day before we end it.

I won't get lynched because scum already voted for me.

I wanted to wait until L-1 because the person hammering AFTER I already said I will claim at L-1 will be definitely scum. But since most of you want me to here it goes:
I'm the King of England.

Ragian is scum. I suspect him a lot in every game I've played with him so far. That means I probably give him more attention than most. I feel confident my reads on him are improving with time. People who are highly analytical and strategic like him tend to need more to go on. He is also very deliberate in his voting. However, this time he voted incredibly quickly. First post joke vote, second vote on me. No sharing of thoughts in between or fishing for info. I don't know yet who the others are.

Me voting mitch was a very calculated move. I can't read dakky very well. I think I do better reading other people. By voting with dakky I wanted to indirectly see what people thought of him and mitch. My logic is not always understood though and that's understandable. It does mean I am seen as scum more often. The best I've ever gotten was "undecided". I don't care about playing safe. I try to win as fast as possible. I do tend to keep things to myself until absolutely necessary though. I might get lynched now so I had to point you in the direction of Ragian.

Hotshot you honestly think this is jumpy/nervous? That surprises me. I thought I came out calm because I am calm as I'm writing these. In any sense, innocent people tend to get more angry than the guilty when accused; part of human psychology . I know that doesn't necessarily mean anything, but generally speaking when I've played in real life when townies get accused they are often more vocal or get more personal when defending themselves. (I don't feel like I did that, but maybe that's what you're reading). Also no reason to vote for me now to push me to claim.. yelling at me or pressuring me would have worked. Therefore I'm leaning scum for you too. FOS Hotshot.

Wing - have you officially replaced ptlowe? I assume yes since you shared your opinion.

Unvote Vote Ragian

[BuJaber]

I dont tend to log in that much these days, so just post here if you want me to pay attention Willliam. I am reading

Alright, I'm sending you the pm for LSU Josh.

Just saw this.. nvm Wing.. you replaced LSU not pt .. lol

[Iron Butterfly]

Saying You are the King of England does not tell us much at all. What is your purpose and actions. Claiming is about full disclosure

[BuJaber]

Saying You are the King of England does not tell us much at all. What is your purpose and actions. Claiming is about full disclosure

Town Governor. Can't protect myself.

[madmitch]

Isn't the governor under the head of state ? in other words there is a difference between King and governor or am I wrong ? As for the bonfire night maybe we should have in Canada .there is a few members in Ottawa I like to see gone

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Isn't the governor under the head of state ? in other words there is a difference between King and governor or am I wrong ? As for the bonfire night maybe we should have in Canada .there is a few members in Ottawa I like to see gone

Why are you talking about heads of state Mitch?

King is his character claim.
Govenor us his role claim.

The two are more or less unrelated at this point.

[madmitch]

sorry ,guess I am reading to much into this

[dakky21]

King can still be mafia or town aligned.
As Tim asked, I'd really want to hear of BuJaber's character name... looks like we all got a name... so what is it BuJaber?

@Wing ... mitch is lost as always, so don't watch every word he says. I do still think he is mafia due to meta but I hope he learned something from last game. If he didn't, he is mafia, and I'm 100% sure of that.