PKMN Beach Mafia: Cult Wins

[Iron Butterfly]

well lets see if I can get this right, magikarp fainted or in pokemon knocked out or killed, why he is a weak pokemon? Then we got Dakky calling tim a female nidoran ,and Tim said he wanted to be female but was neither then he said he was going to shock someone, so Dakkys guess that Tim is a Pikachu makes sense they are 50/50 male and female and they are a electric pokemon. Rishaed wants to be hug so he is probally a huggable pokemon so maybe he is squirtle another water type and maybe he attacked magikarp we also got Bujaber claiming he is graveler but I don't think he can explode yet but we know he is a blockhead lol meant rock head and is quite tuff. Mandy is so called genius most likely evil. like strikes remark about voting him off William 18 is attacking me for previous games,last game I ended up vanilla, sounds a like Dakky and his meta no reads on anyone else yet ,not voting yet either

Unvote vote Mitch

Not a joke. This post seems so out of character. Granted it is day one but you lied about last game. You ended up Vanilla NOT KNOWING you were vanilla. You were scum not knowing your role had been switched. This does have bearing nowthat you seem to be mainipulating what happened.

Second you give meningless summation of the last 3 pages during a joke vote stage.

Nope somthing does not feel right about you.

Mitch has been playing way to long to still be using the Forrest Gump defense. I am also suspect of those who defend like he is some special needs kid. The game before last, Random History Mafia, I voted him as mafia for playing in such a way. I will say this Mitches game has improved dramaticly since he started playing so this whole "Those who pick on Mitch are picking on an easy target so must be scum." is BS.

Now if the majority feel there is nothing wrong with his post there is not much I can do. BUT I still find his initial post suspicious.




As everyone else is saying, at least mitch is trying... he does seem to try a lot harder when he is town than when he is scum, so I'll lean slightly town on him for now. Your going after mitch, usually an easy case for scum to make since he is usually so wild, will make me put a FOS on you to start with.

[Iron Butterfly]

Damn Quote box.

Mitch has been playing way to long to still be using the Forrest Gump defense. I am also suspect of those who defend like he is some special needs kid. The game before last, Random History Mafia, I voted him as mafia for playing in such a way. I will say this Mitches game has improved dramaticly since he started playing so this whole "Those who pick on Mitch are picking on an easy target so must be scum." is BS.

Now if the majority feel there is nothing wrong with his post there is not much I can do. BUT I still find his initial post suspicious.

[BuJaber]

I will agree that early claiming of Pokeman name was not smart...then again we do not know his second win condition or alighnment.

If one were allowed to choose their own Pokeman and the alighnments are choosen at random (or at least they should be) then a Pokeman card name should have no bearing on alignment.

Yes this was my thinking. It makes no sense for alignment to be related to the pokemon name because Yoshi allowed whoever wanted to choose their pokemon to do so. I figured claiming my pokemon is harmless. I may or may not have an ulterior motive; that's normal in a mafia game, especially with a personal objective for everyone. Alignment wise.. claiming the pokemon has nothing to do with it. (At least I hope so).

Damn Quote box.

Mitch has been playing way to long to still be using the Forrest Gump defense. I am also suspect of those who defend like he is some special needs kid. The game before last, Random History Mafia, I voted him as mafia for playing in such a way. I will say this Mitches game has improved dramaticly since he started playing so this whole "Those who pick on Mitch are picking on an easy target so must be scum." is BS.

Now if the majority feel there is nothing wrong with his post there is not much I can do. BUT I still find his initial post suspicious.

I agree with you that mitch's post was suspicious. But that's all I can say confidently so far.
However, the whole meta thing gets old. If mitch is as smart and experienced as everyone says then he can and should switch up his plays. Because there is a change in his play might actually be a bigger sign that he is scum yet again.

[aage]

well lets see if I can get this right, magikarp fainted or in pokemon knocked out or killed, why he is a weak pokemon? Then we got Dakky calling tim a female nidoran ,and Tim said he wanted to be female but was neither then he said he was going to shock someone, so Dakkys guess that Tim is a Pikachu makes sense they are 50/50 male and female and they are a electric pokemon. Rishaed wants to be hug so he is probally a huggable pokemon so maybe he is squirtle another water type and maybe he attacked magikarp we also got Bujaber claiming he is graveler but I don't think he can explode yet but we know he is a blockhead lol meant rock head and is quite tuff. Mandy is so called genius most likely evil. like strikes remark about voting him off William 18 is attacking me for previous games,last game I ended up vanilla, sounds a like Dakky and his meta no reads on anyone else yet ,not voting yet either

These aren't reads, these are ideas pulled out of a hat. Flavor is irrelevant because DY let us pick our own flavor, as many people have said already. The "reads" arent based on anything. Weak post masquerading as an analysis.

Granted it is day one but you lied about last game. You ended up Vanilla NOT KNOWING you were vanilla. You were scum not knowing your role had been switched. This does have bearing now that you seem to be manipulating what happened.

How is this relevant to this game? Does it matter what happened last game? "He lied about last game, he must be lying about this game" doesn't follow.

Mitch this is quite possibly the most ive seen you add D1 this is definitely a change for you

It didn't add anything, the whole post is air. This (seemingly positive) interaction struck me as fishy.

@ I.B. Why so hostile? I said I ended up vanilla, and all I was trying to do is make sense of what happened so far, maybe next time you will kindly let this poor fool know when the joke phase is over so I won't upset you. There is not enough info out there yet to make an accurate guess of who's who? so I was just fishing about and now I am wondering why it is bothering you so much ? I didn't even name you.

Just cause you don't name someone in a weak post doesn't mean they can't call you out on that post being weak.

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy I believe you're over-reacting. The comma (",") is missing in his sentence. If it was "Strike, the reason..." it would change the whole meaning. So he was just replying to his accusation and vote. To be clear, not defending him, I like to write without commas as well.

I am sorry, but I don't see how that comma would make difference? I am accusing rishaed of being in cahoots with Strike based on the fact that he wrote "Strike" while he was addressing BuJaber. This indicates that he is subconsciously thinking about Strike and that makes me wonder why that is. The explanation that first comes to mind is that they are members of the same team, which would most likely mean they are Mafia.

Of course, there is another possible explanation and if this is indeed a case of "love that dares not speak it's name" than all can say is 1) sorry for bringing up you private life. It was unintentional. I feel very ashamed by my crudeness ; 2) pics or it didn't happen (and if it didn't then my vote stays on rishead.)

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy I believe you're over-reacting. The comma (",") is missing in his sentence. If it was "Strike, the reason..." it would change the whole meaning. So he was just replying to his accusation and vote. To be clear, not defending him, I like to write without commas as well.

I am sorry, but I don't see how that comma would make difference? I am accusing rishaed of being in cahoots with Strike based on the fact that he wrote "Strike" while he was addressing BuJaber. This indicates that he is subconsciously thinking about Strike and that makes me wonder why that is. The explanation that first comes to mind is that they are members of the same team, which would most likely mean they are Mafia.

Of course, there is another possible explanation and if this is indeed a case of "love that dares not speak it's name" than all can say is 1) sorry for bringing up you private life. It was unintentional. I feel very ashamed by my crudeness ; 2) pics or it didn't happen! (and if it didn't then my vote stays on rishead)

EBWOP. That is crucial for my message.

[Marashu]

Right now, I'm not liking mitch. He tends to like flavour, but I find that when he's mafia, he's more prone to hiding behind flavour than when he's town. The really telling part, in my opinion, is when he wonders why IB turned on him when IB wasn't named by him. Feels like he was hoping to buddy up with people not mentioned? BuJ I'm leaning town with from what I've seen so far. Manda might be muck-raking, might be scum-hunting (D1 that can amount to the same thing), so I'm having a hard time telling. Manda, your case on strike/rish is that rish wrote strike? Unlike in a live game, he would have considered it, written it, and (if scum) read it over to make sure he didn't tip anyone off. I don't think that degree of carelessness is telling, and I don't think it's a slip.

I also have a bit of a problem with dakky's meta reads. It's easy enough to claim what you want and use meta to not need to back it up, and it's easy to backpedal on a meta read later. I know there's not much to go on this early D1, but I'm going to be keeping my eyes on him.

[mandalorian2298]

Manda, your case on strike/rish is that rish wrote strike? Unlike in a live game, he would have considered it, written it, and (if scum) read it over to make sure he didn't tip anyone off. I don't think that degree of carelessness is telling, and I don't think it's a slip.

He was directly responding to BuJaber's post and he obviously wrote "Strike" instead of "BuJaber". And I want to know: Why? There has to be a reason. Also notice that he has not responded to my accusation as of yet. Why?

Rishead, if there is another explanation of why you wrote "Strike" instead of "BuJaber", I think that you should provide it. Until such time, you are my target of choice for the Day 1 lynch.

[aage]

Manda, your case on strike/rish is that rish wrote strike? Unlike in a live game, he would have considered it, written it, and (if scum) read it over to make sure he didn't tip anyone off. I don't think that degree of carelessness is telling, and I don't think it's a slip.

He was directly responding to BuJaber's post and he obviously wrote "Strike" instead of "BuJaber". And I want to know: Why? There has to be a reason. Also notice that he has not responded to my accusation as of yet. Why?

Rishead, if there is another explanation of why you wrote "Strike" instead of "BuJaber", I think that you should provide it. Until such time, you are my target of choice for the Day 1 lynch.

It's fairly easily explained, I think.

Strike the reason i asked if he was new, was that each person has 2 victory conditions.

Rish wasn't addressing BuJaber directly, evidenced by his usage of the third person pronoun "he" (referencing to BuJaber), which Rish wouldn't have used if he was consciously addressing BuJaber directly while subconsciously thinking of Strike. From his use of that pronoun it seems obvious to me that he was under the impression that Strike made a post about this, and was directly responding to Strike. I'm guessing Rish was under the impression that this post was Strike's, and the switch up can be easily explained by the fact that Rish's post is preceded directly by a post by Strike Wolf.

It's not quite the Freudian slip you're trying to make of it. If Rish and Strike do turn out scum I will of course eat both my words and my hat, but I don't think your theory holds water. Good to know you're paying attention to such details, though. I like the style.

[Army of GOD]

very late confirm



IB's case on mitch is actually pretty interesting, because Tim comes out and says that mitch posting what he posted D1 is "abnormal". As someone that has played a few games with mitch, I'd have to agree with that too.

I'd be interested in hearing more, but FOS madmitch for now

[Army of GOD]

very late confirm



IB's case on mitch is actually pretty interesting, because Tim comes out and says that mitch posting what he posted D1 is "abnormal". As someone that has played a few games with mitch, I'd have to agree with that too.

I'd be interested in hearing more, but FOS madmitch for now

edit: probably shouldn't have pot the FOS in red...

[Army of GOD]

I agree with you that mitch's post was suspicious. But that's all I can say confidently so far.
However, the whole meta thing gets old. If mitch is as smart and experienced as everyone says then he can and should switch up his plays. Because there is a change in his play might actually be a bigger sign that he is scum yet again.

I don't think it gets old at all. Understanding play styles over the course of someone's mafia career is a skill. People aren't robots...they have tells similar to poker players. They act differently based on roles and alignments.

[TimWoodbury]

Manda, your case on strike/rish is that rish wrote strike? Unlike in a live game, he would have considered it, written it, and (if scum) read it over to make sure he didn't tip anyone off. I don't think that degree of carelessness is telling, and I don't think it's a slip.

He was directly responding to BuJaber's post and he obviously wrote "Strike" instead of "BuJaber". And I want to know: Why? There has to be a reason. Also notice that he has not responded to my accusation as of yet. Why?

Rishead, if there is another explanation of why you wrote "Strike" instead of "BuJaber", I think that you should provide it. Until such time, you are my target of choice for the Day 1 lynch.

as suspecious as i am of mitch im wondering why your pushing sooo hard to "convince" others that rish and strike are bad based off just 1 potential mistyping.

[mandalorian2298]

Manda, your case on strike/rish is that rish wrote strike? Unlike in a live game, he would have considered it, written it, and (if scum) read it over to make sure he didn't tip anyone off. I don't think that degree of carelessness is telling, and I don't think it's a slip.

He was directly responding to BuJaber's post and he obviously wrote "Strike" instead of "BuJaber". And I want to know: Why? There has to be a reason. Also notice that he has not responded to my accusation as of yet. Why?

Rishead, if there is another explanation of why you wrote "Strike" instead of "BuJaber", I think that you should provide it. Until such time, you are my target of choice for the Day 1 lynch.

It's fairly easily explained, I think.

Strike the reason i asked if he was new, was that each person has 2 victory conditions.

Rish wasn't addressing BuJaber directly, evidenced by his usage of the third person pronoun "he" (referencing to BuJaber), which Rish wouldn't have used if he was consciously addressing BuJaber directly while subconsciously thinking of Strike. From his use of that pronoun it seems obvious to me that he was under the impression that Strike made a post about this, and was directly responding to Strike. I'm guessing Rish was under the impression that this post was Strike's, and the switch up can be easily explained by the fact that Rish's post is preceded directly by a post by Strike Wolf.

It's not quite the Freudian slip you're trying to make of it. If Rish and Strike do turn out scum I will of course eat both my words and my hat, but I don't think your theory holds water. Good to know you're paying attention to such details, though. I like the style.

Well, I dig your style too, man. Between the liking of the style and having of the hat and the reference to eating, I think I have decyphered your soft claim


(a screenshot from that Pokemon movie)

Sadly, your explanation makes sense since there was indeed Strike's post before rishead's. unvote and unFOS

@Tim, it was the first lead of the day so I went with it.

[rishaed]

Finally get what mandy was getting at.
I was addressing strike, but it was b/c i confused the two avvies for them >.> I was slightly addressing the last post on page 2, but to the wrong person.
Well its been hashed over all ready, but i only realized my mistake now. Anyhow the second part still is/was valid.

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count

Dakky21 (1) - TimWoodbury
Army of GOD (1) - rishaed
BuJaber (1) - dakky21
william18 (1) - Hotshot53
madmitch (2) - william18, Iron Butterfly
mandalorian2298 (1) - strike wolf
strike wolf (2) - gregwolf121, aage

Deadline: August 10th

If day ended today, madmitch or strike wolf would be randomly lynched.

[BuJaber]

Vote Count

Dakky21 (1) - TimWoodbury
Army of GOD (1) - rishaed
BuJaber (1) - rishaed
william18 (1) - Hotshot53
madmitch (2) - william18, Iron Butterfly
mandalorian2298 (1) - strike wolf
strike wolf (2) - gregwolf121, aage

Deadline: August 10th

If day ended today, madmitch or strike wolf would be randomly lynched.

dakky voted for me.. not rishaed

Nobody will do something just because I asked; but I'll give it a shot.I think it will help if when anybody votes, they also give us their 2nd choice, please and thank you.

What if mandy's attention to detail is just him trying hard to form a legitimate case because he's scum? I'm grasping at straws I know, but straws is all we have. He also added a casual/humorous explanation, which I know he's always having fun when playing, but does strike me as a possible scum tell because if he's wrong he can just say "it was round 1 I wasn't really serious, just seemed like a reasonable explanation at the time".

I was about to say that ragian hasn't made a post yet. And just realized he isn't even playing

2 joke votes on strike ? I don't like it. Mandy can you explain the reference you're talking about? Because I'm leaning towards voting for aage.

dakky where are you? dakky would be my 2nd choice.

[dakky21]

dakky where are you? dakky would be my 2nd choice.

Believe or not, I'm here. I just don't have anything of substance to say, I already said my meta thoughts, and since no one wants to follow them, what else can I say? It seems here on CC the most bandwagons start by experienced players who other players trust for some reason (example: Wing) and not by a noobs like me and you, despite some good reads in the past.

I'd lynch you right now especially after your OMGUS 2nd choice, but don't be afraid, no one will listen to me as it's all meta. Or even better, I'll get myself lynched again and again.

[rishaed]

dakky where are you? dakky would be my 2nd choice.

Believe or not, I'm here. I just don't have anything of substance to say, I already said my meta thoughts, and since no one wants to follow them, what else can I say? It seems here on CC the most bandwagons start by experienced players who other players trust for some reason (example: Wing) and not by a noobs like me and you, despite some good reads in the past.

I'd lynch you right now especially after your OMGUS 2nd choice, but don't be afraid, no one will listen to me as it's all meta. Or even better, I'll get myself lynched again and again.

I'll say it kindly Dakky... Meta is not the only thing to make a case. Or better said you can't build a case on meta alone. While Meta is good in some cases, it is not the be all end all in mafia. That said it can help you make better reads and judgements so its not bad, it just doesn't build cases. Day 1 is always a scuffle, but if i had 2 leads that i would want to follow it probably would fall between mitch and bujab.

[dakky21]

I'll say it kindly Dakky... Meta is not the only thing to make a case. Or better said you can't build a case on meta alone. While Meta is good in some cases, it is not the be all end all in mafia. That said it can help you make better reads and judgements so its not bad, it just doesn't build cases. Day 1 is always a scuffle, but if i had 2 leads that i would want to follow it probably would fall between mitch and bujab.

I agree, but it's D1. Only meta can give us some information while still (or not) in a joke vote phase. People act differently even during that phase, just like AOG said. It's the poker face you notice is different. Last 10 games I was with together with mitch and last x games with BuJaber and I noticed a different play when they were town or mafia. Yes, it's meta, but it also shows potential for a D1 lynch while others including you are pretty much standard, being scum or town.

Mitch is every game a wild card and every game has the same plot but never posts a wall of text. We played all games together in last 12 months or even more. Never and I say never, again, he posted so much text as scum. Maybe he is smart and is changing his tactics, but we can't know till we lynch him. But the difference in his posts when he was scum vs now tells me he ain't scum this game... long meaningless posts are his trademark when he is town. Short accusations are when he is scum. So yeah, big change in gameplay now. Mea culpa if I'm wrong.

BuJaber said in every game so far I was town and then suddenly he changed the track and now he has a bad feeling about me. He never said anything against me so straight forward in a joke voting phase. Again, change in gameplay. Such a change can be called "meta", but I believe the change didn't come so quick out of nothing, I believe he got either a 3rd Party or scum role.

So yeah, BuJaber is my first choice and I have nothing to add. As you said, it's D1, we can't build a proper case on someone. D1 mostly mislynches happen and I don't have any better ideas at this time.

[Iron Butterfly]

For the record dakky....like Mitch your Noob card has run out.

[dakky21]

For the record dakky....like Mitch your Noob card has run out.

So you will bandwagon on BuJabers lynch? You believe my hunch and meta? Or that was "you're not a Noob anymore but your thoughts are still worth nothing" ? Don't know what card are you playing but in this case I believe you have your own meta on me.

[Iron Butterfly]

For the record dakky....like Mitch your Noob card has run out.

So you will bandwagon on BuJabers lynch? You believe my hunch and meta? Or that was "you're not a Noob anymore but your thoughts are still worth nothing" ? Don't know what card are you playing but in this case I believe you have your own meta on me.

Sorry the context of my post may have been lost as I was responding to a simple statement you made, which is as follows.

Believe or not, I'm here. I just don't have anything of substance to say, I already said my meta thoughts, and since no one wants to follow them, what else can I say? It seems here on CC the most bandwagons start by experienced players who other players trust for some reason (example: Wing) and not by a noobs like me and you, despite some good reads in the past.

Your noob card has expired.

[BuJaber]

Well dakky you're very wrong about me, but I don't think scum would go after just one person so early on because it attracts attention. so yeah now I'm thinking you're town. You were my 2nd choice because you didn't post as much as I've normally seen from you, especially with a lot of interesting theories being thrown out so quickly.., but you proved you are here and you posted quickly enough for me now.

For the record, in every game I've played with you so far I've been town, and once I was 3rd party. So basically you're saying that I'm acting differently so I must be scum. But then you actually gave your reasons, and it doesn't make sense. I noticed a change with you (post count) so that's why I said you're my 2nd choice. It was a weak reason so I didn't actually vote. Also I've read you as town in the past when you flipped scum, so I'm not always going to trust my reads. As for the 2nd page when I said I have a bad feeling... it was the beginning of the game.. it was a feeling that passed... but initially it was because you seemed to jump on Tim kinda hard. Maybe it was as a joke, but I took note just in case.

Rishaed hasn't played with me before but seems to think I'm scum. To me that's much more interesting, because he has no past games with me to base it on. I must have given off a vibe in this game.

[strike wolf]

Itll be a long time until I give up this avie:

www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... &start=325

As for reads, blah blah. Boring day 1. I may reread some but I don't count town reads as much of anything at this point and my scum reads are slim. I agree with Dakky and a few others that from what I remember, Mitch does post a lot as town though not necessarily with much content. I feel IB should be familiar enough with Mitch to know this. Newbie card or not. So slight FOS IB

Beyond that and I know I don't have much to go on here but my top scum pick right now would be Mandy. The reason. Mandy is a crazy insane player who will often pull out cases out of practically nothing. His case on Rishaed and by relation myself felt like one of these cases. Now Mandy is aware of his reputation for this and he's skilled enough as mafia to know how to fake it. What does seem off to me is how easily he let it go and brushed it off as day 1 baseless speculation.