Indigo League Mafia/RPG Final Scene

[Fircoal]

Also the post in which you compare your case with him on the basis of who's more helpful seems a bit scummy to me because you could probably put it in any mafia game and it would still apply. That's the sort of vague reasoning that scum use to appear helpful.

Yes I could put it in any mafia game and it'd be true. However it's not going to be relevant in just any mafia game. I am just saying given the choice between two people that one finds equally scummy it's best to lynch the one who is least helpful, especially on an early day like day 1. Also if you want to check my helpfulness check my post history, it's there.

[Metsfanmax]

I can see Talapus' deleted post (did not actually read it yet, for fairness). Should I repost it on Talapus' behalf, or leave it deleted?

[The Weird One]

Not enough for me to change my vote yet because A) ending the day just because a bunch of players are bored doesn't make sense to me, B) I feel that dakky is the better lynch, and C) we still have people who haven't posted or voted in a while.

Just going to touch on two of your points, real quick:

A) It's less ending the day because a bunch of players are bored and more ending the day because, if we don't end it soon, a bunch of players will go from occasionally active to full inactive because they are bored. I've got nothing against long days, personally, I'd just rather not have the game stagnate and die over it. It seems that the dedicated activity isn't there to sustain such a long and meandering day1.

C) While there are some players who haven't posted much due to life reasons, and there are surely some who are just submarining and lurking, I feel that a good bit of the inactivity is from players who are, as you put it, bored. Realistically, do you think that dragging day1 out longer will make them want to come back? If there were sufficient active replacements to maintain the game through inactives being replaced, I'd be all for seeing how long we can make this day, but that simply doesn't seem prudent.

[The Weird One]

I can see Talapus' deleted post (did not actually read it yet, for fairness). Should I repost it on Talapus' behalf, or leave it deleted?

'Twould be the nicer thing to do for Talapus, I'd think...If you can see it, then one would think that he tried to post it...

[TimWoodbury]

im here reading jsut nothing important to add. ill admit like i said before the game is stagnate and as yall can see were not gonna be able to get 13 people on 1 person thus why i suggested the no vote and let the night do its thing and bring numbers down a portion yall said no so we will go till we igure someone to kill

[BuJaber]

Not enough for me to change my vote yet because A) ending the day just because a bunch of players are bored doesn't make sense to me, B) I feel that dakky is the better lynch, and C) we still have people who haven't posted or voted in a while.

Just going to touch on two of your points, real quick:

A) It's less ending the day because a bunch of players are bored and more ending the day because, if we don't end it soon, a bunch of players will go from occasionally active to full inactive because they are bored. I've got nothing against long days, personally, I'd just rather not have the game stagnate and die over it. It seems that the dedicated activity isn't there to sustain such a long and meandering day1.

C) While there are some players who haven't posted much due to life reasons, and there are surely some who are just submarining and lurking, I feel that a good bit of the inactivity is from players who are, as you put it, bored. Realistically, do you think that dragging day1 out longer will make them want to come back? If there were sufficient active replacements to maintain the game through inactives being replaced, I'd be all for seeing how long we can make this day, but that simply doesn't seem prudent.

You might have a point. 2 days and barely 2 pages of posts. Anyway this is day 1 and each day after that will logically be faster. Especially when the holiday season is over.

[mandalorian2298]

I can see Talapus' deleted post (did not actually read it yet, for fairness). Should I repost it on Talapus' behalf, or leave it deleted?

Please repost it and thank you very much.

I didn't actually comprehend what happened from his follow up post: I thought it was one of those situations where you pres "Post" and the CC logs you out; so I thought that his talk of modkill was just a rule-nazi joke.

[Metsfanmax]

Reading all that and back where we were several pages ago. split votes with not enough to go on being as it is day 1 still. Some of these cases are just not good and some people are pushing them really hard. Yes, for the love of god let's end the day so we can figure out whether all our speculating is on the right track or not. Since 2/3 or more of this game looks to be wild pokemon odds are damn good with all the fighting that will happen tonight we will have more than just a lynch to discuss tomorrow.

Fircoal Case: I mean talk about something that is based on very little...geez. But I will hand it to some of you. We will certainly learn more from lynching Chu than mitch. Mainly I think because it does appear some players are supporting his survival hard and his alignment so far has been hard to gauge. If he flips scum there are a few who would make great targets based today's arguing for his survival. But let's be real, the main appeal here is we will learn something new, possibly beneficial and he might be scum as opposed to mitch where at the end of the day he is just a pokemon. Read all the arguments on Chu and real only benefit I am seeing with this.

Mitch: I mean I have to be honest here...unless any of us truly believe we are going to get the name of the trainer along with mitch's death than there isn't much benefit here. We kill a pokemon, learn his alignment and that is it. Now if he is scum pokemon we might have a few people to look at but the mitch hate or disappointment was pretty universal so not seeing much benefit of pushing this lynch except to end day 1.

Skittles!: Really not sure what you think you are proving with your list or pushes to claim. Because some noob panicked and blurted out his entire damn pm 6 votes in, everyone else in the game pretty much got the information they needed to claim they were wild pokemon as well. Not that it even matters because hell the game is based on that and we all determined long ago there would be a few trainers and lots of that damn pokemon. So ya, understand the players looking your direction and would be honest when I say I have no idea what to really think about you at this point.

Skoffin: I guess I missed your questions for me somewhere earlier so please feel free to ask again.

So chu or mitch...both options honestly, not so good for 40 pages in but to end the day so we can get some real info I will throw my vote on one here in the next 24 hours or so. Honestly I still feel strongly taking out a trainer is the best way to learn more info but that argument along with dozens of others have gotten buried in the countless days of arguing so looks like these two our the current best choice.

[DoomYoshi]

Been a few pages without a vote count. I think it's still pretty split among mitch/fircoal.

To anyone who thinks masket is a town trainer: why do you not also think dakky is therefore scum? He went from wild pokemon to cult pokemon and nobody seems to be bothered by it. Once again, towns want it both ways. You want wild Pokemon to be town and trainers to be town. You want the town trainers to be town and the obvious cult recruiter trainers to be town. As far as game mechanics goes, lynching dakky is the best bet so we can see what we are dealing with.

[nagerous]

Been a few pages without a vote count. I think it's still pretty split among mitch/fircoal.

To anyone who thinks masket is a town trainer: why do you not also think dakky is therefore scum? He went from wild pokemon to cult pokemon and nobody seems to be bothered by it. Once again, towns want it both ways. You want wild Pokemon to be town and trainers to be town. You want the town trainers to be town and the obvious cult recruiter trainers to be town. As far as game mechanics goes, lynching dakky is the best bet so we can see what we are dealing with.

Only got time for a quick post but imo it would be quite a ballsy move to go out and claim what dakky did if he was scum and associated with team rocket. I am not too concerned about 'cult trainers' at this moment as it is less likely a team rocket thing and more a Gary thing. The goal is to catch team rocket so lynching a random claimed Pokemon won't necessarily help that.

Still he does remain in my suspicions following on from his unusual reaction to tim's role claim.

On fircoal vs Mitch I agree with other posters that the game is stagnating and a stalemate has risen which could mean a perpetual never ending day 1. I also think we need a deadline to get things going again.., I think from Mitch's posts though throughout the game he has proven more to me that he is a wild Pokemon in his sloppy manner of posting and I don't think there is enough merit in his case. As a noob he would be the easier case to push the Lynch through on but I don't feel personally there is enough basis for it to warrant my vote.

[Skoffin]

Hey, thanks Skoffin... That long ass post said NOTHING... All these young boys may think you are cool because you are a girl who plays these games, but you are just an annoyance, a skimmer, and a rare poster... So yippee for you...

Also Nark that post to Skof is really unnecessary. Yeah call her out for her post not containing as much info as you'd like but don't belittle her, it's just rude. It's not like all your posts have been wonderful sources of information and actually the majority of them is you being a dick. You don't know the circumstances of her life as to why she hasn't been posting as much so maybe don't be so harsh? Just a heads up.

You are a kid... You know her personally, don't you? Is the crush hard? She was a sporadic poster 7 years ago, and she still is... Honesty hurts... Maybe she is awesome in real life, but for her to talk shit to me when I didn't post for 2 days and was constantly watching the thread while she posts once every three or four and then admits to skimming doesn't really win my appeal... Tough shit.

Of course, why wouldn't anyone crush on me. My dick is the biggest one here. You're literally the only person here that gives a shit about my gender. What's the deal eh?
Sure my game was shit 7+ years ago, but comparing playstyle to when I was still a teenager seems hardly relevant until I mimic that style. At the time you accused me of barely being here the game was 14 days old and I had about double that postcount here, so by your own metric I was ahead of activity that fit your specific ruling.
And as I've already stated before, I did not get you any shit for not posting for a few days. I gave you shit for your motive behind it. These are not at all the same thing. I didn't care that you weren't posting at the time, but your reasoning behind it was pretty silly. Seems funny that you consider your reasons fine and dandy but are deeming any one else's reason for absence to be completely invalid.
The only shit you have any validity of accusing me of is the days after you already suggested I never posted, and as stated during that time I had already spoken to the mod about inactivity and made the suggestion of being replaced. But this isn't actually about contribution - if it were you would have called out the people that have posted far less than me, or the people that hadn't posted at all during that same time frame. Hell, you maybe would have made any sort of mention of the half dozen or so of people that have come in to say "soz I skimmed through, will catch up and post later". You've directly insulted 4 people now and you're mad because you were called on it. If you're going to act like a dick all game just own it. You did talk of 'honesty' before, did you not?

But look, this shit is easy to resolve:
If I am a pokemon, then tonight I will hopefully kill you for some XP
If I am a trainer, than I'll try to capture you and force you to work for me

Done and dusted. Feel free to do similar.
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Been a few pages without a vote count. I think it's still pretty split among mitch/fircoal.

To anyone who thinks masket is a town trainer: why do you not also think dakky is therefore scum? He went from wild pokemon to cult pokemon and nobody seems to be bothered by it. Once again, towns want it both ways. You want wild Pokemon to be town and trainers to be town. You want the town trainers to be town and the obvious cult recruiter trainers to be town. As far as game mechanics goes, lynching dakky is the best bet so we can see what we are dealing with.

I don't know what anyone elses reasons are, but for me personally I'd say it's because there isn't enough information out to determine that trainers/wild aren't really on the same side. I'm considering the possibility that trainers are masons or even this games version of power roles. I also still think that MewTwo fits more in a role of cult than a trainer would. No trainer has exactly come forward to claim dakky lied about how he was chosen either. Though sure, we could learn a lot regarding game mechanics upon his death.

Ultimately though, the lynch this D1 is less important than in most standard games; I imagine several people will die during N1 and others will be captured. But one thing of note, we may be able to see who has lied about their claims thus far. Trainers can't catch humans and pokemon can't get xp from humans. So surely when everyone uses any night actions they have they'll get a message on success or failure. If you can't capture someone that claimed wild - or can't get xp from attacking - , then we have found a team Rocket member. I already believe that there is scum amongst those that claimed wild prior to that mandy thing, so I'd say best bet is to use that bacth as xp fodder and see who can't be targeted.

I don't think we'd learn much from lynching mitch - I think he is scummy just as I did before, however all my other top suspects also happen to be voting him. Normally I'd say "well maybe he's town then' but he seems the sort that any teammates of his would easily sacrifice for town cred. As such I do believe there are definitely scum on his wagon regardless of what way he flips.
I am starting to find all this talk of "don't split the votes!" to be scummy itself, it's basically saying "no more discusing cases, just pick one of the two and speedlynch to move on"
Sure, the say has dragged on, but I've never seen a speedlynch benefit anyone but scum. If you say you don't believe in a lynch but vote it anyway, I'm going to assume you are scum wanting to vote a town but wanting to not look too guilty for it the following day.
But hey, maybe I should just demand some deadlines so I can go out with a nifty modkill too XD

@Talapus I asked you about your case on Masket and why you were voting him on his wording, your argument contradicted itself. Do you still feel masket is scum and if so why?

[Serbia]

I don't really have anything to add right now. I've been busy adulting and drinking. I'll try to add to the game either later today or tomorrow.

[mandalorian2298]

Vote count:

Minister Masket (1)- Talapus,

BuJaber (1) - Aage (as spurgistan)

Mitch (9) - legionnare, Samlen, Yoshi, Dakky, , Fircoal, Skittles, Kwanton, Masket, TWO

Talapus (1) - Skoffin

Anark (1) - Exile

Dakky (1) - BuJaber

Fircoal (8) - Wing, Tim, Anark, Nagerous, Mitch, Serbia, new guy, Strike

Skittles (1) - Hotshot

25 alive, 13 to lynch

Thank you very much, again Mets, for helping out new players who are still struggling with posting on the forum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Of course, why wouldn't anyone crush on me. My dick is the biggest one here.

Ahem

Trainers can't catch humans and pokemon can't get xp from humans.

Ok, babes, if you say so...

[The1exile]

I don't buy the case on Fircoal and i'm too tired of this day 1 to avoid the clearly forming bandwagons. Unvote vote mitch.

[Talapus]

@Talapus I asked you about your case on Masket and why you were voting him on his wording, your argument contradicted itself. Do you still feel masket is scum and if so why? [/color]

His wording...easy. He distanced the fact the bad players were in fact trainers, stated it a few times in fact, than completely flipped and agreed with the fact. The basis that he is a trainer and a trainer death is going to get us the most info is the best I think but that ship has sailed 40 pages in and Christmas around the corner. So MM will wait until another day.

I can see Talapus' deleted post (did not actually read it yet, for fairness). Should I repost it on Talapus' behalf, or leave it deleted?

Thanks man, ya not sure what the hell happened. What pisses me off more is the post is still missing like 80% of it's content and I have completely lost my train of thought to add all the missing stuff as I had other things in there. But lesson learned...never attempt a long post on phone with this timeout crap.

I didn't actually comprehend what happened from his follow up post: I thought it was one of those situations where you pres "Post" and the CC logs you out; so I thought that his talk of modkill was just a rule-nazi joke.

It did I was trying to hit the save capture image on my phone so I could retype everything at home but it hit the delete post button instead which floors me because it I got the logged off notification already...really not too pleased with the forum doing that

[Talapus]

I believe a Fircoal death will tell us more than a mitch death just because I can't figure out Fircoal's alignment, the support of him by others, and the fact that it is possible somehow we stumbled on a trainer. So let's see what we can learn.

Unvote
Vote: Chu

[dakky21]

I believe a Fircoal death will tell us more than a mitch death just because I can't figure out Fircoal's alignment, the support of him by others, and the fact that it is possible somehow we stumbled on a trainer. So let's see what we can learn.

While I partially agree with you, as Fircoal said, at least he is being more active in discussion. If you leave mitch alive today, you can as well leave him every next day as you won't get anything new from him, except maybe another "short post" joke. I don't see what you gain from that, he can be a TR trainer and we will never know as he will never slip as he will never say anything of substance.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I don't buy the case on Fircoal and i'm too tired of this day 1 to avoid the clearly forming bandwagons. Unvote vote mitch.

Noted.

Along with all the others who are going against me for no reason.

I believe a Fircoal death will tell us more than a mitch death just because I can't figure out Fircoal's alignment, the support of him by others, and the fact that it is possible somehow we stumbled on a trainer. So let's see what we can learn.

While I partially agree with you, as Fircoal said, at least he is being more active in discussion. If you leave mitch alive today, you can as well leave him every next day as you won't get anything new from him, except maybe another "short post" joke. I don't see what you gain from that, he can be a TR trainer and we will never know as he will never slip as he will never say anything of substance.

What conversation has Fircoal added to? He has posted longer posts for sure.

[Anarkistsdream]

Quoting Nag from my stupid damn phone: I think from Mitch's posts though throughout the game he has proven more to me that he is a wild Pokemon in his sloppy manner of posting and I don't think there is enough merit in his case. As a noob he would be the easier case to push the Lynch through on but I don't feel personally there is enough basis for it to warrant my vote.[/quote]

Exactly... The fact that several players have votes on random people is just ridiculous. You aren't going to get a lynch on that person, so can you please choose 1 of the people with 9 votes so we can get this game moving again... I am fairly certain I will be killed tonight, which will mean I don't have to keep watching the thread. If perchance I live until dawn, then we will have a LOT of information and disinformation to go on and will really liven up the game. Either way, we need to move it along before those of us who are really giving it all we have got get bored...

Nags above post shows why voting mitch is not the best idea... Especially when Skoffin and Skittles both still refuse to see the Fircoal case... I imagine at least one of them is his scum buddy, as Wing has mentioned.

Dakky, your reasoning does not hold water... Killing someone off because they always bandwagon is not a better reason than a really good player who will have unknown power in the nights... Or a building power as time goes on... Your continued argument of this does make it look like you are protecting Fircoal...

[dakky21]

What conversation has Fircoal added to? He has posted longer posts for sure.

Longer posts = more chance for slipping. So yeah, I'd rather keep him than mitch's three word sentences.

Dakky, your reasoning does not hold water... Killing someone off because they always bandwagon is not a better reason than a really good player who will have unknown power in the nights... Or a building power as time goes on... Your continued argument of this does make it look like you are protecting Fircoal...

You played zero games with mitch while I played 15-20. I know how mitch plays and I don't see what's the point of keeping him alive. It's not about "always bandwagon" .. it's about not saying anything of substance. As I answered to Wing, longer posts mean more chance to slip, and mitch will NEVER slip. What do you get from a person which will never slip?

Speaking of bandwagon... I know why BuJaber is so consistent with a case on me... I was rereading the thread and noticed that she changed his vote and followed every bandwagon before going onto me... she voted first for Samlen (joke vote), then voted for real in this order: Skittles, Anark, Masket, Tim, TWO, mitch, Marashu and at last, me. So she was literally on all bandwagons and she is afraid to switch to another wagon on mitch or Fircoal now.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What conversation has Fircoal added to? He has posted longer posts for sure.

Longer posts = more chance for slipping. So yeah, I'd rather keep him than mitch's three word sentences.

He already has.

[dakky21]

What conversation has Fircoal added to? He has posted longer posts for sure.

Longer posts = more chance for slipping. So yeah, I'd rather keep him than mitch's three word sentences.

He already has.

Yes he has, but there are 9 more people currently with me on Mitch who obviously think his slip isn't as important as you think it is, if it was even a slip.

You're protecting Mitch from like, page 1... can you give me your reason for that? You know him well too.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What conversation has Fircoal added to? He has posted longer posts for sure.

Longer posts = more chance for slipping. So yeah, I'd rather keep him than mitch's three word sentences.

He already has.

Yes he has, but there are 9 more people currently with me on Mitch who obviously think his slip isn't as important as you think it is, if it was even a slip.

You're protecting Mitch from like, page 1... can you give me your reason for that? You know him well too.

Show a post where I have actually defended mitch?

So you are saying that you agree that Fircoal has slipped yet are very strongly defending him? Yeah you arent the only one doing so. Funny that.

[strike wolf]

So for the hold outs who still think that prolonging the day is a good idea. The fact is that we are almost 40 pages in. At this point, the mean post per person is about 36. What's the point of this? It's that in that number of posts, you could potentially find enough oddities about anyone to form a seemingly legitimate case. The best way at this point to sort out legitimate cases from the posers is by getting information that will come from the lynch/night kill(s).

@dakky: that's just bad logic. If youre going to say that chu is more likely to slip up because he posts longer, you still have to analyze to do so. I havent really seen mich evidence of you trying to do so.

You're saying that Mitch will never slip up but if your vote on him is serious than at some point he must have slipped up. We've gotten rhetoric from you on his playstyle has changed but the fact is you seem to be the only person that knows him who feels strongly that it is different. Back up your reasoning.