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tkr4lf wrote:Dukasaur wrote:tkr4lf wrote:And if you go back further in history, the French were some ferocious fighters. I dunno what happened to them after WWI, but before that, they were a nation of badass warrior-poets like Vivec!
It's difficult to fathom just how much France suffered in WWI. A million and a half died, another million suffered crippling injuries. Overall, 73% of the men drafted suffered at least one war wound. Put another way, more than 4% of the French population were killed or wounded. For the British and the Russians, it was only half of that, 2%. For the Americans, it was one-fortieth of that, about 0.1% Wounds were also more horrible than in previous wars -- with gas attacks and flamethrowers, hundreds of thousands of the wounded were blinded or disfigured or permanently crippled.
Something like 80% of all heavy fighting took place on French soil, almost constantly, from the first day of the war to the last, and much of it was in heavily-populated areas. The incessant artillery barrage levelled entire hills, turned forests into deserts and farmland into swampland. Entire villages and even a few mid-sized towns essentially vanished. Even today, there are districts that are permanently closed to resettlement because you can't put a shovel in the ground without hitting a dead body.
The generation of generals who surrendered in WWII were young officers in WWI. They had all seen the carnage firsthand and been scarred by it. They made a rational decision that they weren't willing to put their country through that kind of suffering a second time. I honestly don't think they can be fairly judged by anyone who hasn't seen what they saw.
Well when you put it like that, it almost sounds reasonable.
Seems like WWI was like the American Civil War but way worse. A case of technology growing faster than military tactics could keep up with, and as a result, way more people died than needed to.
I definitely wouldn't call the French pussies anyway. I mean, they were pretty much the strongest force on the continent for many hundreds of years. And in EU4 it's easy to dominate with them. Wipe out Burgundy and kick the English off the continent and then you're free to do just about whatever you want. Get those badass military national ideas and your forces of about 80k can easily take on Austria/Hungary and the whole of the HRE with no problems. Convince Spain to ally with you and it's possible to take over all of mainland Europe.
jonesthecurl wrote:OK, so moving away from awesome sex and back to food, here's how to make a proper "roast potato". Sorry it took a while, but it's tax season and there was some dull stuff to deal with.
Anything marked thus* is optional, but it'll not reach jonesey standards if you don't use it.
First item: What sort of potato?
It needs to be white, it needs to be big (at least 12 oz for each spud) and it needs to be a floury potato not a waxy one. In the UK I would use either a King Edward or a Maris Piper. Haven't quite found the right one here but a Russett will do - at the end of the day, pick a spud that you'd use for a baked/ jacket potato.
Peel the potatoes, and cut them into about 4-oz chunks.
Put on a big pot of water to boil, adding a pinch of salt for each potato and *two strands of saffron per potato, and *1 bay leaf.
Add the chunked potatoes, cover the pan, and turn the temperature down so that it's simmering rather than jumping about.
Pre-heat the oven to 400 degrees F ( check if your oven setting really works with an oven thermometer - I couldn't get it right at the current house until I discovered that the temperature control doesn't really work) . Put in the pan that you'll be roasting with, filled with whatever fat you're using. Best is beef dripping, or duck or goose fat - but rapeseed/canola will work fine. Do NOT use EVOO, it burns at too low a temperature. there should be about a quarter inch of fat or oil in the pan.
Once the potatoes have been on for a while, check 'em. After about 10-15 minutes they should not be falling apart, but should be soft enough to stick a fork in easily.
Remove the potatoes from the water. Don't throw the water away, you have the beginning of a great stock right there to make a soup out of later, or even the gravy for the meal you're cooking right now.
Drain 'em, and then dredge 'em with a little flour you've seasoned with small amounts of salt, pepper, and *garlic powder. Sometimes, instead of using flour, I use potato flour or powdered mash.
Now put them in the pan in the hot oil/fat. Careful, they may spit. Spoon fat over the spuds and return to the oven.
After 30 minutes, baste them.
After another 30 minutes they should be just right. Are they golden and crispy on the outside? If yes, perfect. If not, turn up the heat a little and rturn them to the oven for a few minutes while you plate everything else.
tkr4lf wrote:Dukasaur wrote:tkr4lf wrote:And if you go back further in history, the French were some ferocious fighters. I dunno what happened to them after WWI, but before that, they were a nation of badass warrior-poets like Vivec!
It's difficult to fathom just how much France suffered in WWI. A million and a half died, another million suffered crippling injuries. Overall, 73% of the men drafted suffered at least one war wound. Put another way, more than 4% of the French population were killed or wounded. For the British and the Russians, it was only half of that, 2%. For the Americans, it was one-fortieth of that, about 0.1% Wounds were also more horrible than in previous wars -- with gas attacks and flamethrowers, hundreds of thousands of the wounded were blinded or disfigured or permanently crippled.
Something like 80% of all heavy fighting took place on French soil, almost constantly, from the first day of the war to the last, and much of it was in heavily-populated areas. The incessant artillery barrage levelled entire hills, turned forests into deserts and farmland into swampland. Entire villages and even a few mid-sized towns essentially vanished. Even today, there are districts that are permanently closed to resettlement because you can't put a shovel in the ground without hitting a dead body.
The generation of generals who surrendered in WWII were young officers in WWI. They had all seen the carnage firsthand and been scarred by it. They made a rational decision that they weren't willing to put their country through that kind of suffering a second time. I honestly don't think they can be fairly judged by anyone who hasn't seen what they saw.
Well when you put it like that, it almost sounds reasonable.
Seems like WWI was like the American Civil War but way worse. A case of technology growing faster than military tactics could keep up with, and as a result, way more people died than needed to.
I definitely wouldn't call the French pussies anyway. I mean, they were pretty much the strongest force on the continent for many hundreds of years. And in EU4 it's easy to dominate with them. Wipe out Burgundy and kick the English off the continent and then you're free to do just about whatever you want. Get those badass military national ideas and your forces of about 80k can easily take on Austria/Hungary and the whole of the HRE with no problems. Convince Spain to ally with you and it's possible to take over all of mainland Europe.
betiko wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:OK, so moving away from awesome sex and back to food, here's how to make a proper "roast potato". Sorry it took a while, but it's tax season and there was some dull stuff to deal with.
Anything marked thus* is optional, but it'll not reach jonesey standards if you don't use it.
First item: What sort of potato?
It needs to be white, it needs to be big (at least 12 oz for each spud) and it needs to be a floury potato not a waxy one. In the UK I would use either a King Edward or a Maris Piper. Haven't quite found the right one here but a Russett will do - at the end of the day, pick a spud that you'd use for a baked/ jacket potato.
Peel the potatoes, and cut them into about 4-oz chunks.
Put on a big pot of water to boil, adding a pinch of salt for each potato and *two strands of saffron per potato, and *1 bay leaf.
Add the chunked potatoes, cover the pan, and turn the temperature down so that it's simmering rather than jumping about.
Pre-heat the oven to 400 degrees F ( check if your oven setting really works with an oven thermometer - I couldn't get it right at the current house until I discovered that the temperature control doesn't really work) . Put in the pan that you'll be roasting with, filled with whatever fat you're using. Best is beef dripping, or duck or goose fat - but rapeseed/canola will work fine. Do NOT use EVOO, it burns at too low a temperature. there should be about a quarter inch of fat or oil in the pan.
Once the potatoes have been on for a while, check 'em. After about 10-15 minutes they should not be falling apart, but should be soft enough to stick a fork in easily.
Remove the potatoes from the water. Don't throw the water away, you have the beginning of a great stock right there to make a soup out of later, or even the gravy for the meal you're cooking right now.
Drain 'em, and then dredge 'em with a little flour you've seasoned with small amounts of salt, pepper, and *garlic powder. Sometimes, instead of using flour, I use potato flour or powdered mash.
Now put them in the pan in the hot oil/fat. Careful, they may spit. Spoon fat over the spuds and return to the oven.
After 30 minutes, baste them.
After another 30 minutes they should be just right. Are they golden and crispy on the outside? If yes, perfect. If not, turn up the heat a little and rturn them to the oven for a few minutes while you plate everything else.
there's like half the ingredients I don't know (would probably need a translation), then all the measures in barbaric system I can't be bothered to translate into normal. Then the garlic powder that made you lose all your street cred, man.
nietzsche wrote:i hear the french tanks had 5 reverse gears and 1 forward gear.. the forward gear in case the enemy came from behind.
nietzsche wrote:jesus.. you'd think the french would learn some humility after the nazis kicked their asses and made them surrender their houses and hairy women.
i hear the french tanks had 5 reverse gears and 1 forward gear.. the forward gear in case the enemy came from behind.
jonesthecurl wrote:betiko wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:OK, so moving away from awesome sex and back to food, here's how to make a proper "roast potato". Sorry it took a while, but it's tax season and there was some dull stuff to deal with.
Anything marked thus* is optional, but it'll not reach jonesey standards if you don't use it.
First item: What sort of potato?
It needs to be white, it needs to be big (at least 12 oz for each spud) and it needs to be a floury potato not a waxy one. In the UK I would use either a King Edward or a Maris Piper. Haven't quite found the right one here but a Russett will do - at the end of the day, pick a spud that you'd use for a baked/ jacket potato.
Peel the potatoes, and cut them into about 4-oz chunks.
Put on a big pot of water to boil, adding a pinch of salt for each potato and *two strands of saffron per potato, and *1 bay leaf.
Add the chunked potatoes, cover the pan, and turn the temperature down so that it's simmering rather than jumping about.
Pre-heat the oven to 400 degrees F ( check if your oven setting really works with an oven thermometer - I couldn't get it right at the current house until I discovered that the temperature control doesn't really work) . Put in the pan that you'll be roasting with, filled with whatever fat you're using. Best is beef dripping, or duck or goose fat - but rapeseed/canola will work fine. Do NOT use EVOO, it burns at too low a temperature. there should be about a quarter inch of fat or oil in the pan.
Once the potatoes have been on for a while, check 'em. After about 10-15 minutes they should not be falling apart, but should be soft enough to stick a fork in easily.
Remove the potatoes from the water. Don't throw the water away, you have the beginning of a great stock right there to make a soup out of later, or even the gravy for the meal you're cooking right now.
Drain 'em, and then dredge 'em with a little flour you've seasoned with small amounts of salt, pepper, and *garlic powder. Sometimes, instead of using flour, I use potato flour or powdered mash.
Now put them in the pan in the hot oil/fat. Careful, they may spit. Spoon fat over the spuds and return to the oven.
After 30 minutes, baste them.
After another 30 minutes they should be just right. Are they golden and crispy on the outside? If yes, perfect. If not, turn up the heat a little and rturn them to the oven for a few minutes while you plate everything else.
there's like half the ingredients I don't know (would probably need a translation), then all the measures in barbaric system I can't be bothered to translate into normal. Then the garlic powder that made you lose all your street cred, man.
Yes, it's about the only place where I use garlic powder - but it needs to blend with the flour.
I used the archaic measurements cos most people here are American - and since I 've been here a while, I've had to get used to it too.
Saffron is safran, bay is laurier(?)
betiko wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:betiko wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:OK, so moving away from awesome sex and back to food, here's how to make a proper "roast potato". Sorry it took a while, but it's tax season and there was some dull stuff to deal with.
Anything marked thus* is optional, but it'll not reach jonesey standards if you don't use it.
First item: What sort of potato?
It needs to be white, it needs to be big (at least 12 oz for each spud) and it needs to be a floury potato not a waxy one. In the UK I would use either a King Edward or a Maris Piper. Haven't quite found the right one here but a Russett will do - at the end of the day, pick a spud that you'd use for a baked/ jacket potato.
Peel the potatoes, and cut them into about 4-oz chunks.
Put on a big pot of water to boil, adding a pinch of salt for each potato and *two strands of saffron per potato, and *1 bay leaf.
Add the chunked potatoes, cover the pan, and turn the temperature down so that it's simmering rather than jumping about.
Pre-heat the oven to 400 degrees F ( check if your oven setting really works with an oven thermometer - I couldn't get it right at the current house until I discovered that the temperature control doesn't really work) . Put in the pan that you'll be roasting with, filled with whatever fat you're using. Best is beef dripping, or duck or goose fat - but rapeseed/canola will work fine. Do NOT use EVOO, it burns at too low a temperature. there should be about a quarter inch of fat or oil in the pan.
Once the potatoes have been on for a while, check 'em. After about 10-15 minutes they should not be falling apart, but should be soft enough to stick a fork in easily.
Remove the potatoes from the water. Don't throw the water away, you have the beginning of a great stock right there to make a soup out of later, or even the gravy for the meal you're cooking right now.
Drain 'em, and then dredge 'em with a little flour you've seasoned with small amounts of salt, pepper, and *garlic powder. Sometimes, instead of using flour, I use potato flour or powdered mash.
Now put them in the pan in the hot oil/fat. Careful, they may spit. Spoon fat over the spuds and return to the oven.
After 30 minutes, baste them.
After another 30 minutes they should be just right. Are they golden and crispy on the outside? If yes, perfect. If not, turn up the heat a little and rturn them to the oven for a few minutes while you plate everything else.
there's like half the ingredients I don't know (would probably need a translation), then all the measures in barbaric system I can't be bothered to translate into normal. Then the garlic powder that made you lose all your street cred, man.
Yes, it's about the only place where I use garlic powder - but it needs to blend with the flour.
I used the archaic measurements cos most people here are American - and since I 've been here a while, I've had to get used to it too.
Saffron is safran, bay is laurier(?)
Yes, saffron Even if I didn’t know would be easy peasy. I had no idea laurier was bay in english, for some reason i thought it was laurel lol. Rapeseed and canola... no idea! Canola sounds like canelle which is cinamon in english so not that. No idea what evoo is. I don t understand « to dredge » either. I just realized how useless I am in culinary vocabulary in english. FU jonesey lol
djelebert wrote:rapeseed is "colza", canola was created by cross-breeding from rapeseed.
Canola was bred from rapeseed at the University of Manitoba, Canada, by Keith Downey and Baldur R. Stefansson in the early 1970s,[11][12] having then a different nutritional profile than present-day oil in addition to much less erucic acid.[13]
A variety developed in 1998 is considered to be the most disease- and drought-resistant canola variety to date. This and other recent varieties have been produced using genetic engineering. In 2011, out of the 31 million hectares of canola grown worldwide, 8.2 million (26%) were genetically modified.[14]
Canola was originally a trademark name of the Rapeseed Association of Canada, and the name was a condensation of "Can" from Canada and "ola" from other vegetable oils like Mazola,[15] but is now a generic term for edible varieties of rapeseed oil in North America and Australia.
A definition of "canola" is codified in Canadian law[citation needed]. According to the Canola Council of Canada, an industry association, the "official" definition of "canola" is:
"Seeds of the genus Brassica (Brassica napus, Brassica rapa or Brassica juncea) from which the oil shall contain less than 2% erucic acid in its fatty acid profile and the solid component shall contain less than 30 micromoles of any one or any mixture of 3-butenyl glucosinolate, 4-pentenyl glucosinolate, 2-hydroxy-3 butenyl glucosinolate, and 2-hydroxy- 4-pentenyl glucosinolate per gram of air-dry, oil-free solid."
— Canola council of Canada, What is Canola?, [16]
Dukasaur wrote:djelebert wrote:rapeseed is "colza", canola was created by cross-breeding from rapeseed.
Canola was originally a specific variety of rapeseed, but nowadays the term has come to be used for any edible rapeseed strain.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canola#HistoryCanola was bred from rapeseed at the University of Manitoba, Canada, by Keith Downey and Baldur R. Stefansson in the early 1970s,[11][12] having then a different nutritional profile than present-day oil in addition to much less erucic acid.[13]
A variety developed in 1998 is considered to be the most disease- and drought-resistant canola variety to date. This and other recent varieties have been produced using genetic engineering. In 2011, out of the 31 million hectares of canola grown worldwide, 8.2 million (26%) were genetically modified.[14]
Canola was originally a trademark name of the Rapeseed Association of Canada, and the name was a condensation of "Can" from Canada and "ola" from other vegetable oils like Mazola,[15] but is now a generic term for edible varieties of rapeseed oil in North America and Australia.
A definition of "canola" is codified in Canadian law[citation needed]. According to the Canola Council of Canada, an industry association, the "official" definition of "canola" is:
"Seeds of the genus Brassica (Brassica napus, Brassica rapa or Brassica juncea) from which the oil shall contain less than 2% erucic acid in its fatty acid profile and the solid component shall contain less than 30 micromoles of any one or any mixture of 3-butenyl glucosinolate, 4-pentenyl glucosinolate, 2-hydroxy-3 butenyl glucosinolate, and 2-hydroxy- 4-pentenyl glucosinolate per gram of air-dry, oil-free solid."
— Canola council of Canada, What is Canola?, [16]
It's never explicitly admitted, but one suspects the drive to expand the use of "canola" in place of "rape" is a big of marketing jingo. Now that Latin is no longer taught in schools, very few people know that the name of the rape plant has a long pedigree going back to Latin 'rapum' and has nothing at all to do with the English verb 'rape'.
jonesthecurl wrote:...and "laurel" is correct, though for some reason we call it "bay" when we cook with it.
I was surprised to find that the French usually pickle the leaves, or keep them in brine. We just use them fresh or dried.
betiko wrote:nietzsche wrote:jesus.. you'd think the french would learn some humility after the nazis kicked their asses and made them surrender their houses and hairy women.
i hear the french tanks had 5 reverse gears and 1 forward gear.. the forward gear in case the enemy came from behind.
Unlike mexicans, we had tanks then. That’s better than hidding under a pancho when you see a gringo.
Bazinga!
jonesthecurl wrote:...and "laurel" is correct, though for some reason we call it "bay" when we cook with it.
I was surprised to find that the French usually pickle the leaves, or keep them in brine. We just use them fresh or dried.
tkr4lf wrote:jonesthecurl wrote:...and "laurel" is correct, though for some reason we call it "bay" when we cook with it.
I was surprised to find that the French usually pickle the leaves, or keep them in brine. We just use them fresh or dried.
They're good in soups and stews. Don't really wanna eat them but they impart a good flavor to the liquid.
2dimes wrote:betiko wrote:nietzsche wrote:jesus.. you'd think the french would learn some humility after the nazis kicked their asses and made them surrender their houses and hairy women.
i hear the french tanks had 5 reverse gears and 1 forward gear.. the forward gear in case the enemy came from behind.
Unlike mexicans, we had tanks then. That’s better than hidding under a pancho when you see a gringo.
Bazinga!
So far Mexico has never been defeated by Nazis.
betiko wrote:How long would've canada lasted against a german blitzkrieg in 1939 had germany been their next door neighbour by the way?
People are just so funny.
Lol, after getting many boats sunk by german u-boats, they declared war to germany in 1942 when germany was already starting to lose the war. And obviously germany didn't really try to invade mexico.
Symmetry wrote:betiko wrote:How long would've canada lasted against a german blitzkrieg in 1939 had germany been their next door neighbour by the way?
People are just so funny.
Lol, it's not even that your bizarro version of history is interesting, nor your inability to spell Germany (twice if you count your "german") or indeed Canada.
mrswdk wrote:Symmetry wrote:betiko wrote:How long would've canada lasted against a german blitzkrieg in 1939 had germany been their next door neighbour by the way?
People are just so funny.
Lol, it's not even that your bizarro version of history is interesting, nor your inability to spell Germany (twice if you count your "german") or indeed Canada.
He spelled them correctly, he just didn't capitalize them.
Symmetry's Just Waffling!
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