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riskllama wrote:Koolbak wins this thread.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Maria
saxitoxin wrote:Neoteny wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Maria
Does that count as "asking" for help of it wasn't requested and was largely a publicity stunt?
Mexico sent 30 tons of bottled water to Puerto Rico no one asked for, which is about 250,000 bottles worth probably $65K. President Trump personally donated $1 million the previous week to hurricane relief in Texas. This was a publicity stunt like when they sent a 200 soldiers to New Orleans after Katrina. They got a lot of pictures crossing the border but had to be supplied by the Louisiana National Guard since they didn't have enough equipment to be self sustaining once they arrived.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:They just within the last month or so got consistent electricity to most Puerto Ricans. Just because the Republican government doesn't care about American citizens, doesn't mean that people don't need aid. People can't drink propaganda Saxi.
saxitoxin wrote:So when did the US ask for help?
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
mookiemcgee wrote:I'm pretty sure we asked Mexico to help pay for the wall we are building
Neoteny wrote:saxitoxin wrote:So when did the US ask for help?
So you've retreated from the frankly disgusting position that aid for the devastated American citizens in Puerto Rico (the entirety of whom lost access to [even intermittent] power and gasoline for months , and therefore access to food and clean water) was "a publicity stunt (and one that even the glorious leader took part in)" to the concept that the US didn't ask for help at all.
Regardless, the conservative US government certainly wasn't interested in conceding that they were unable to cope with humanitarian emergencies in even tiny territories like Puerto Rico, but tacitly accepted foreign aid by waiving the Jones Act to allow foreign aid for disaster recovery. This of course ignores the requests by the people of Puerto Rico itself, a glossing I'm sure you're happy to defend.
Edit: to your edit, Cameroon maintains its own sovereignty to ask for aid as it sees fit. Puerto Rico is a US colony and its people are citizens on our soil, despite their lack of representation and recognition by their own government.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Neoteny wrote:Ah yes, the classic two paragraph rant. Criticizing the Trump administration isn't ranting, Saxi. Pointing out your backpedaling isn't ranting. You used to be sharper than this.
On those referenda, most people have expressed dissatisfaction with the arrangement, with large numbers supporting statehood. The most recent one was mere months before Maria. I'm curious how those numbers would fall now that the colony has seen how callously the federal government views their needs.
But sure, keep blaming US citizens for expecting support from the government during large scale natural disasters. Lick those boots clean, Saxi.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
mookiemcgee wrote:Does this one make the cut?
http://thehill.com/policy/international/223216-obama-asked-iran-for-help-against-isis-in-secret-letter
thegreekdog wrote:mookiemcgee wrote:Does this one make the cut?
http://thehill.com/policy/international/223216-obama-asked-iran-for-help-against-isis-in-secret-letter
I'm not sure. On the one hand, it arguably protects the United States domestically from terrorist attacks. On the other hand, one of those hadn't happened since 2001.
saxitoxin wrote:Your position is more complex than the federal tax code. As soon as I think I understand it, I find another index of cross-references, exceptions and amendments I have to apply.
Timminz wrote:Yo mama is so classless, she could be a Marxist utopia.
MeDeFe wrote:thegreekdog wrote:mookiemcgee wrote:Does this one make the cut?
http://thehill.com/policy/international/223216-obama-asked-iran-for-help-against-isis-in-secret-letter
I'm not sure. On the one hand, it arguably protects the United States domestically from terrorist attacks. On the other hand, one of those hadn't happened since 2001.
Maybe because of letters like that? Also drone strikes directed from countries other than the USA (Germany), and other countries losing more soldiers per capita than the US in the "war against terror" (Denmark). I'd argue that claiming there has been a military attack against you under NATO agreements when a non-government-terrorist-organisation attacked you counts as asking for help.
Neoteny wrote:Glad to see the lengths you will go to justify the suffering of hundreds of thousands of American citizens Saxi. Real pleased we had this talk. This is neoliberal politics writ small, but saying the quiet part loud.
mookiemcgee wrote:I thought you were also adding us 'asking' Mexico to build our wall (if they pay for it though, wouldn't it just be their wall?)
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