INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[dakky21]

Looks like Blacky hammered?

[blacky365]

Looks like Blacky hammered?

Only because this lynching is now inevitable and seeing as he is the one who has poisoned me for his own amusement, why the hell not!

[ZaBeast]

100 credits After infecting a Town guy, and he is saved by a healer
thats why I want blacky saved

I have no partners but surely wish i had.

I'd be surprised if he came up with the seraphim claim himself so I doubt it. Guess we'll see but I hope he's lying, would give more reads if he's mafia than if he's 3rd party.

[Metsfanmax]

...sigh. Re: ZaBeast it sounds very much like third party, not mafia, but like you said, I guess we'll just wait and see what happens.

blacky, I wish you would have waited to hammer so we could discuss this new development more thoroughly.

It's worth noting that this makes clear we have essentially zero information about blacky's alignment now. Even if jfm flips town, it's clear that he's reckless and would target another town member to fulfill his action, so I don't think we can infer much about blacky from the fact that he was poisoned.

[dakky21]

Looks like Blacky hammered?

Only because this lynching is now inevitable and seeing as he is the one who has poisoned me for his own amusement, why the hell not!

Unless you were not poisoned at all and you made that strategy last night so when he flips scum "it must mean you are town". Like mets said...

Even if jfm flips town, it's clear that he's reckless and would target another town member to fulfill his action, so I don't think we can infer much about blacky from the fact that he was poisoned.

We don't know if that is a fact, but you are somehow very sure it is.

[jfm10]

Who knew vigilantes are mostly townies but then again who would have accepted it.

[ZaBeast]

Lying about your role makes you scum.
Killing/trying to kill someone N1 is also an anti-town move

[jfm10]

Who knew vigilantes are mostly townies but then again who would have accepted it.

I am lynched...PLEASE...nobody say no more and be quiet

[Sirius Kase]

Not all townies are good guys. I goofed when I said he was useless, he's worse. His game is to poison someone every night and keep the doctor too busy. We'll know for sure soon enough. I don't know why he'd lie now that his fate is sealed, but he might earn credits by sowing confusion.

[aage]

Who knew vigilantes are mostly townies but then again who would have accepted it.

I am lynched...PLEASE...nobody say no more and be quiet

There's no rule that states this. We can talk until the mod posts.

For the record just because jfm continued to spew bs now doesn't mean there was a good case on him earlier.

BuJ is right.

Ragian, if you wanna rag me for voting for the guy I think should be lynched, be my guest, but you should probably also note that what I said in that post turned out to be correct.

[Ragian]

Yeah, right now I look like an idiot. Happy days.

[dakky21]

There's no rule that states this. We can talk until the mod posts.

Exactly this. There is no rule for no posting after a lynch was reached. IF it was reached. Official vote count is done by mod and no one else.

Anyway this time is perfect to see who posts and who does not, after an unofficial lynch happened... Those who don't obviously don't care what happened.

[TX AG 90]

There's no rule that states this. We can talk until the mod posts.

Exactly this. There is no rule for no posting after a lynch was reached. IF it was reached. Official vote count is done by mod and no one else.

Anyway this time is perfect to see who posts and who does not, after an unofficial lynch happened... Those who don't obviously don't care what happened.

I care, but my head is spinning right now. You may have been right earlier dakky. Maybe jfm is a jester type and is trying to get lynched. Hi play makes no sense. I can't believe I defended him D1.

[Skoffin]

Obviously we need to see how he actually flips before we can make a full determination on others - after all he could still be lying about his role/team- but here is my list so far.

These are all in order from most to least in a given field

Pro-town heroes
1. Skoff
2. dakky
3. Strike - you are still a hero, but you lost a rank for the waffling my man

Scummy

1. blacky
2. pika/aage
3. Buj/Mets
4. Serius

HAHAHA

1. Ragoo

[dakky21]

I will repeat, if you have a town role, don't target me. I will HIDE. You won't find me either you are a killer or whatever. You will lose your action for nothing... use it on someone else you think might be scum.

[jfm10]

My night attack came back successful.

[ZaBeast]

Yeah, right now I look like an idiot. Happy days.

You look better than when you thought roleblocking prevented night chat, don't worry

Scummy

1. blacky
2. pika/aage
3. Buj/Mets
4. Serius

Tobi seemed in your top 2 earlier (you roughly said something like "tobi/blacky are good lynch candidates"), why did he fall off top 4?

My reads if jfm turns MAFIA (in no particular order)
TOWN:
- dakky: I think it's obvious
- Ragian: jfm placed a bandwagon vote on him D1 with the intent of lynching him, town cred if jfm knew who was mafia
- Skoffin: had mildly shitty reasoning for his jfm vote D1 though. jfm tried to go at her, though the case was shit

blacky: a bit WIFOM-y in the end but probably scum

Reads if jfm turns 3rd PARTY
Nothing: scum could either latch on an easy "town" kill or try to defend him to get town cred.

Reads if jfm turns TOWN
Horrible play: jfm

[jfm10]

I am The Town Assassin

100 credits After infecting a Town guy, and he is saved by a healer
thats why I want blacky saved

I have no partners but surely wish i had.

goodluck everyone

And the picture of me is a fresh water angelfish.

If you are a TOWN Assassin, why would you get credits for poisoning a townie? Makes no sense.

My role would have been to poison at night and tell the doctor during the day whether or not to heal him.

[strike wolf]

Obviously we need to see how he actually flips before we can make a full determination on others - after all he could still be lying about his role/team- but here is my list so far.

These are all in order from most to least in a given field

Pro-town heroes
1. Skoff
2. dakky
3. Strike - you are still a hero, but you lost a rank for the waffling my man
s
Scummy

1. blacky
2. pika/aage
3. Buj/Mets
4. Serius

HAHAHA

1. Ragoo

Even heroes have a right to bleed...and make mistakes...i obviously need to shake off the rust.

Aww...I wanted to hammer JFM. unvote vote JFM

Scum reads for JFM flip

1. Mets-Its hard to believe Mets would hard defend his scumbuddy this much but it's also hard to believe he could be this dense towards all of JFM's latest bullshit to keep defending him. I didn't see the case against him day 1 but his continued play is odd to me.

Beyond that I really need to read more. Buj was right about one thing. If JFM is mafia his scum partners didn't really go far to defend him beyond possibly Mets. Aage was the only other JFM day 1 defender out from day 1 and he's other wise appeared town to me. He's also been against Mets though it's not unheard of for two experienced mafia partners to point fingers at each other

Buj defended JFM day 2 but can t recall his day 1 position without rereading. He stopped defending him late when it could have become clear that JFM's continued play made it obvious that he would be lynched but his timing with voting JFM for the policy lynch seems off if that was the case.

Skoffin still third party queen to me. Her play just feels too safe to be town but not enough deception and trying to play bad lynches for me to feel she's mafia.

[jfm10]

Obviously we need to see how he actually flips before we can make a full determination on others - after all he could still be lying about his role/team- but here is my list so far.

These are all in order from most to least in a given field

Pro-town heroes
1. Skoff
2. dakky
3. Strike - you are still a hero, but you lost a rank for the waffling my man
s
Scummy

1. blacky
2. pika/aage
3. Buj/Mets
4. Serius

HAHAHA

1. Ragoo

Even heroes have a right to bleed...and make mistakes...i obviously need to shake off the rust.

Aww...I wanted to hammer JFM. unvote vote JFM

Scum reads for JFM flip

1. Mets-Its hard to believe Mets would hard defend his scumbuddy this much but it's also hard to believe he could be this dense towards all of JFM's latest bullshit to keep defending him. I didn't see the case against him day 1 but his continued play is odd to me.

Beyond that I really need to read more. Buj was right about one thing. If JFM is mafia his scum partners didn't really go far to defend him beyond possibly Mets. Aage was the only other JFM day 1 defender out from day 1 and he's other wise appeared town to me. He's also been against Mets though it's not unheard of for two experienced mafia partners to point fingers at each other

Buj defended JFM day 2 but can t recall his day 1 position without rereading. He stopped defending him late when it could have become clear that JFM's continued play made it obvious that he would be lynched but his timing with voting JFM for the policy lynch seems off if that was the case.

Skoffin still third party queen to me. Her play just feels too safe to be town but not enough deception and trying to play bad lynches for me to feel she's mafia.

I really hope that the doctor helped you blacky because you are the only confirmed townie so far.

[TX AG 90]

Obviously we need to see how he actually flips before we can make a full determination on others - after all he could still be lying about his role/team- but here is my list so far.

These are all in order from most to least in a given field

Pro-town heroes
1. Skoff
2. dakky
3. Strike - you are still a hero, but you lost a rank for the waffling my man
s
Scummy

1. blacky
2. pika/aage
3. Buj/Mets
4. Serius

HAHAHA

1. Ragoo

Even heroes have a right to bleed...and make mistakes...i obviously need to shake off the rust.

Aww...I wanted to hammer JFM. unvote vote JFM

Scum reads for JFM flip

1. Mets-Its hard to believe Mets would hard defend his scumbuddy this much but it's also hard to believe he could be this dense towards all of JFM's latest bullshit to keep defending him. I didn't see the case against him day 1 but his continued play is odd to me.

Beyond that I really need to read more. Buj was right about one thing. If JFM is mafia his scum partners didn't really go far to defend him beyond possibly Mets. Aage was the only other JFM day 1 defender out from day 1 and he's other wise appeared town to me. He's also been against Mets though it's not unheard of for two experienced mafia partners to point fingers at each other

Buj defended JFM day 2 but can t recall his day 1 position without rereading. He stopped defending him late when it could have become clear that JFM's continued play made it obvious that he would be lynched but his timing with voting JFM for the policy lynch seems off if that was the case.

Skoffin still third party queen to me. Her play just feels too safe to be town but not enough deception and trying to play bad lynches for me to feel she's mafia.

I really hope that the doctor helped you blacky because you are the only confirmed townie so far.

Confirmed by who? A known liar?

[chapcrap]

Mod Note: Day 2 Deadline will be released in 48 hours

6 haven't voted. Why haven't Pika, Ragian, aage, chapcrap, TX AG, and blacky voted? Are they waiting for something? Are they afraid of looking like scum? Would they rather not vote at all than risk voting on wrong person?

People are so quick to demand justification for a vote. That's understandable. But, considering how long we've been treading water, I think it's time to demand justification for not voting.

Umm, I voted... Stand by it. A third claim? A town assassin? Ugh. Get real.

I'd like to hear from blacky again though. He was dropping hints about letting in be known who he targeted on N1 that potentially is the reason he is poisoned. What are we waiting on for that information blacky?

I missed posting/reading over the weekend. Busy time. Apologies. Blacky, I didn't see you answer. What were you dropping hints about?

[jfm10]

Obviously we need to see how he actually flips before we can make a full determination on others - after all he could still be lying about his role/team- but here is my list so far.

These are all in order from most to least in a given field

Pro-town heroes
1. Skoff
2. dakky
3. Strike - you are still a hero, but you lost a rank for the waffling my man
s
Scummy

1. blacky
2. pika/aage
3. Buj/Mets
4. Serius

HAHAHA

1. Ragoo

Even heroes have a right to bleed...and make mistakes...i obviously need to shake off the rust.

Aww...I wanted to hammer JFM. unvote vote JFM

Scum reads for JFM flip

1. Mets-Its hard to believe Mets would hard defend his scumbuddy this much but it's also hard to believe he could be this dense towards all of JFM's latest bullshit to keep defending him. I didn't see the case against him day 1 but his continued play is odd to me.

Beyond that I really need to read more. Buj was right about one thing. If JFM is mafia his scum partners didn't really go far to defend him beyond possibly Mets. Aage was the only other JFM day 1 defender out from day 1 and he's other wise appeared town to me. He's also been against Mets though it's not unheard of for two experienced mafia partners to point fingers at each other

Buj defended JFM day 2 but can t recall his day 1 position without rereading. He stopped defending him late when it could have become clear that JFM's continued play made it obvious that he would be lynched but his timing with voting JFM for the policy lynch seems off if that was the case.

Skoffin still third party queen to me. Her play just feels too safe to be town but not enough deception and trying to play bad lynches for me to feel she's mafia.

I really hope that the doctor helped you blacky because you are the only confirmed townie so far.

Confirmed by who? A known liar?

To what end is your redirectional ability any good to anybody,for the townies thats what his ability is but mine rest on my victim and not my target.

[Razorvich]

Looks like a lynch.. scene coming when i get home from work

Sorry alk this happened after i went to sleep ladt night

[strike wolf]

the more I think about it the more I think Mets is a good candidate for scum even in the unlikely event that JFM does actually flip town. His defense of JFm makes sense as a scum ploy to piggyback on a townie who's in trouble. Either the townie gets lynched and he can point to the defense as a town sided thing, Mets gets lynched later and JFM becomes connected with mets through the defense or JFM proves himself town and Mets still gets the town cred.

I stick with Tobi as a top candidate under those circumstances too though Mets' odd timed vote on Tobi doesnt quite seem to fit if both are scum. Maybe as a misdirection if he expected it to be too little too late for any real case on Tobi to form at that point but That's pretty far from the Occams Razor answer and the possibility that Mets and JFM are scum buddies and Mets was trying to deflect attention onto Tobi fits more easily in that particular circumstance.

I still as I believe you all do feel like JFM is scum from all the editing and back tracking but I would be remiss if I didn't try to consider all possibilities in case j don't make it to tomorrow.

Tl;you didn't read: I believe Mets is scum regardless of flip. Tobi=same amount of scumminess as I previously stated in unlikely situation that JFM flips town. Less likely scum if JFM flips scum. Not sure on third party JFM.