believe all women - *pound* MeToo

[NomadPatriot]

just thought about it.
hilarious the #MeToo movement decided to choose that phrase.
considering it would be - 'Pound'MeToo


expected replies:
- ( Nomad is an idiot. it is called a Hashtag )….
- ( MadP is obfuscating with Sophistry, he fails once again.. )
- ( quit whining NP )
- ( your Racist! )
- ( Noproblem shows he is pro-Rape once again )
- ( Low Energy Thread )

[jimboston]

I’ll be the first to say this is a funny observation.

In my mind that symbol was always a “Pound Sign”... and only recently have I started ‘reading it’ in my head as “Hashtag” when it is used in that manner.

[tzor]

In my mind that symbol was always a “Pound Sign”... and only recently have I started ‘reading it’ in my head as “Hashtag” when it is used in that manner.

Incorrect. It has "always" been the "Pound Sign" west of the Atlantic Ocean. It has always been the "Hash Key" east of the Atlantic Ocean.

[jimboston]

In my mind that symbol was always a “Pound Sign”... and only recently have I started ‘reading it’ in my head as “Hashtag” when it is used in that manner.

Incorrect. It has "always" been the "Pound Sign" west of the Atlantic Ocean. It has always been the "Hash Key" east of the Atlantic Ocean.

So...um, it may not be called “Hashtag” in England or Europe.

Where I sit and live though it is more popularly called “Hashtag”, but I grew up calling it the “Pound Sign”.

I’m not sure how I’m incorrect here.

You’ve expanded in the conversation but in no way corrected what I said.

[NomadPatriot]

I’m not how I’m incorrect..

[jimboston]

So I make a typo... and you send this shade.

Even in a thread where I’m agreeing with you?

[NomadPatriot]

So I make a typo... and you send this shade.

Even in a thread where I’m agreeing with you?

learn to laugh at yourself ..

[jimboston]

So I make a typo... and you send this shade.

Even in a thread where I’m agreeing with you?

learn to laugh at yourself ..

I’m probably the most self-deprecating person I know IRL.

Typos are not humorous unless they change the meaning of a sentence in some way that is funny.
You’re dig isn’t intended to be a ‘fun joke’ between buddies... it’s some sort of insult that in some way inflates your own ego (in your mind), yet in reality we all make typos, so the fact you think it’s funny is really the only thing that is funny.

[NomadPatriot]

sometimes people just need a reason to argue .. no matter what it is..

[Symmetry]

The believe all women position is a difficult position to take until you see the position it opposes, which is to disbelieve all women.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

The believe all women position is a difficult position to take until you see the position it opposes, which is to disbelieve all women.

lolwut

[NomadPatriot]

The believe all women position is a difficult position to take until you see the position it opposes, which is to disbelieve all women.

I think Sym banged his head againist the wall way too much while he was banned..

the opposite position is --> People are innocent until proven guilty.

[spurgistan]

The believe all women position is a difficult position to take until you see the position it opposes, which is to disbelieve all women.

I think Sym banged his head againist the wall way too much while he was banned..

the opposite position is --> People are innocent until proven guilty.

Nah, the opposite position of #metoo is slut-shame the women and call them crazy until they stop. You know, the same shit that's been going on for most of human history. Don't knock it, it works.

[NomadPatriot]

The believe all women position is a difficult position to take until you see the position it opposes, which is to disbelieve all women.

I think Sym banged his head againist the wall way too much while he was banned..

the opposite position is --> People are innocent until proven guilty.

Nah, the opposite position of #metoo is slut-shame the women and call them crazy until they stop. You know, the same shit that's been going on for most of human history. Don't knock it, it works.

typical insane leftist...

you can only have 1 position when a woman says she is raped.
1) you 100% believe the woman
--> if you don't believe her you are deemed to be Slut-Shaming the woman & you are considering her crazy ..

no point in providing any proof of the accusation..

so.. what happens if a straight woman claims a lesbian woman held her down and raped her with a strap-on. but the lesbian denies it...?

who do you believe.. since they are both women…. ?

according to you .. the Lesbian is automatically guilty. no need to consider her innocent until PROVEN guilty...
because, according to your logic, if you do not believe the straight woman then you are Slut-Shaming her.

so we shouldn't believe the Lesbian Woman..
oh wait..
both
women...
must believe ..
both...
error
errrroorrrrr...
must reboot...
brain
short-circuiting..

( checkmate... )

[tzor]

learn to laugh at yourself ..

He is from Boston ... he in incapable of doing that.

Unless the Red Sox wins the series and then the moment fades when the Yankees fan asks "have you caught up to us yet?"

Then the hate returns.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

The believe all women position is a difficult position to take until you see the position it opposes, which is to disbelieve all women.

I think Sym banged his head againist the wall way too much while he was banned..

the opposite position is --> People are innocent until proven guilty.

Nah, the opposite position of #metoo is slut-shame the women and call them crazy until they stop. You know, the same shit that's been going on for most of human history. Don't knock it, it works.

This is so mind-bogglingly stupid it really makes me sad. You're arguing against due process in essence. I got into this argument with neoteny a while back and i just don't understand how the left, who pride themselves on being for the people, can toe the line in such a short-sighted manner.

It's funny because you believe all women with sexual assault allegations, but only when it's white men doing the assaulting. When i brought up the numerous false allegations against black men that result in lynchings or recently the athlete expulsions you just ignore it or avoid it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

What's that saying, "if the left didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any at all."

[jimboston]

learn to laugh at yourself ..

He is from Boston ... he in incapable of doing that.

Unless the Red Sox wins the series and then the moment fades when the Yankees fan asks "have you caught up to us yet?"

Then the hate returns.

What’s a Yankee?

How many Pro Sports Championships has New York won in the last decade?

[spurgistan]

The believe all women position is a difficult position to take until you see the position it opposes, which is to disbelieve all women.

I think Sym banged his head againist the wall way too much while he was banned..

the opposite position is --> People are innocent until proven guilty.

Nah, the opposite position of #metoo is slut-shame the women and call them crazy until they stop. You know, the same shit that's been going on for most of human history. Don't knock it, it works.

This is so mind-bogglingly stupid it really makes me sad. You're arguing against due process in essence. I got into this argument with neoteny a while back and i just don't understand how the left, who pride themselves on being for the people, can toe the line in such a short-sighted manner.

It's funny because you believe all women with sexual assault allegations, but only when it's white men doing the assaulting. When i brought up the numerous false allegations against black men that result in lynchings or recently the athlete expulsions you just ignore it or avoid it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

What's that saying, "if the left didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any at all."

Hey bud.
#1 Long time, how ya been?
#1a starting off with "mind-bogglingly stupid" isn't a great way to start a discussion, especially when I'm literally describing a constant historical recurrence, but let's continue.
#2 I'm not arguing against due process; that's a legal situation. What #believewomen means is that we should listen to them, and they should be unafraid of retaliation for talking about things men do to them. Quick reminder that due process is for legal ramifications, not general society.
#3 OK pal ease up, how many white men have been literally lynched lately? Are you actually comparing a lynch mob to a hashtag? Even Weinstein is literally alive right now. Not to mention Brock Turner, who is doing fine despite actually being convicted of felony sexual assault. This is, to quote somebody, "mind-bogglingly stupid."
#4 "Athlete expulsions?" If you're talking about powerful men who get accused of sexual assault, uhh who do you think is defending them? It is usually ownership (powerful rich men) who fights to let them play. Unless (as I read now) you're acting off the assumption that women are just accusing them for no real reason? Which, again, people don't usually sign themselves up to be slut-shamed and dragged through the internet for a cheap payday. According to the most comprehensive study (by the British Home Office in the 2000s), this happens about 2-10% of the time.

[saxitoxin]

What #believewomen means is that we should listen to them

You should call it #Listen2Women then. Talk about terrible branding.

• -The word believe assigns a positive value to a class of speech, regardless of its content; it assigns a positive value to the writings of Sabrina Erdely. #BelieveWomen is an express of close-mindedness.
  
  -The word listen expresses willingness to consider a class of speech, regardless of its content. #Listen2Women is an expression of open-mindedness.

[NomadPatriot]

#2 I'm not arguing against due process; that's a legal situation. What #believewomen means is that we should listen to them, and they should be unafraid of retaliation for talking about things men do to them. Quick reminder that due process is for legal ramifications, not general society.

what a hysterical retreat . .


I said the opposite of #metoo was " people are innocent until proven guilty. ."
you said -->

Nah, the opposite position of #metoo is slut-shame the women and call them crazy until they stop

accusing someone of Rape is not a Social issue..it is a Crime..
a crime = a legal situation. .

if someone accuses someone else of Rape.. in basically every single state.. the authorities are obligated to investigate the accusation regardless of if the victim wants them too or not..

the idea 'people are innocent until proven guilty' is the exact definition of listening to both the victim & the accused & determining the validity of the accusation..
but you made the stance we should ONLY listen to the woman..

you just got f-ing massively owned..

… duh.. Splooge..

time for you too #WalkAway..

[mookiemcgee]

The important point here for both sides to remember, is that safe sex means filming the act! Making a sex tape each and every time, and ensuring both parties leave with a copy is the only way to ensure there is evidence for potential court dates later on down the road.

mookie=helpful

[NomadPatriot]

The important point here for both sides to remember, is that safe sex means filming the act! Making a sex tape each and every time, and ensuring both parties leave with a copy is the only way to ensure there is evidence for potential court dates later on down the road.

mookie=helpful

and you denied being a gay porn movie producer..

[TA1LGUNN3R]

The believe all women position is a difficult position to take until you see the position it opposes, which is to disbelieve all women.

I think Sym banged his head againist the wall way too much while he was banned..

the opposite position is --> People are innocent until proven guilty.

Nah, the opposite position of #metoo is slut-shame the women and call them crazy until they stop. You know, the same shit that's been going on for most of human history. Don't knock it, it works.

This is so mind-bogglingly stupid it really makes me sad. You're arguing against due process in essence. I got into this argument with neoteny a while back and i just don't understand how the left, who pride themselves on being for the people, can toe the line in such a short-sighted manner.

It's funny because you believe all women with sexual assault allegations, but only when it's white men doing the assaulting. When i brought up the numerous false allegations against black men that result in lynchings or recently the athlete expulsions you just ignore it or avoid it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

What's that saying, "if the left didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any at all."

Hey bud.
#1 Long time, how ya been?
#1a starting off with "mind-bogglingly stupid" isn't a great way to start a discussion, especially when I'm literally describing a constant historical recurrence, but let's continue.
#2 I'm not arguing against due process; that's a legal situation. What #believewomen means is that we should listen to them, and they should be unafraid of retaliation for talking about things men do to them. Quick reminder that due process is for legal ramifications, not general society.
#3 OK pal ease up, how many white men have been literally lynched lately? Are you actually comparing a lynch mob to a hashtag? Even Weinstein is literally alive right now. Not to mention Brock Turner, who is doing fine despite actually being convicted of felony sexual assault. This is, to quote somebody, "mind-bogglingly stupid."
#4 "Athlete expulsions?" If you're talking about powerful men who get accused of sexual assault, uhh who do you think is defending them? It is usually ownership (powerful rich men) who fights to let them play. Unless (as I read now) you're acting off the assumption that women are just accusing them for no real reason? Which, again, people don't usually sign themselves up to be slut-shamed and dragged through the internet for a cheap payday. According to the most comprehensive study (by the British Home Office in the 2000s), this happens about 2-10% of the time.

#1 Doing okay, you? #1a sorry i came off strong

#2 I have no issue with the general push behind metoo where allegations are dismissed outright by police or when rape kits are just shoved into a warehouse somewhere a la Raiders of the Lost Ark. That isn't justice and I agree that's a problem. What i do have an issue with is your last sentence in #2, because as i remember, when the Kavanaugh proceedings were going on you went on this same spiel. False allegations (like the ones levied against him) are treated as criminal trespasses for a reason-- because they negatively impact one's life based on lies. It's called libel and slander. How is it justice to allow crimes to affect one person at the expense of another? You're not dispensing justice situation in that scenario, you're appealing to emotional populism by letting crimes like slander slide because you'd rather be part of a twitter movement. It's no different than cops unfairly treating blacks to appease an unfair justice system driven by profit prisons. The truth is you wanted to levy slander against a possible supreme court judge because you didn't like his positions, and that isn't justice.

#3 I didn't say white men were lynched. There's a movement among the progressive left to entertain intersectionality as anything other than the bogus academic sniveling that is, ie an excuse by racists or white guilt uncle toms to rationalize their racism. What i said is that we are told to believe sexual assault and rape allegations no matter what, yet out of the same mouth they'll say Emmet Till was killed by racists. So you're position necessitates that either Till sexually assaulted a woman or he was killed because of racism, not that he was killed because a woman spread a lie. That is to say, you'll believe that Till's accuser was lying because she accused a black male and since you place the bogeyman of racism above justice this is fine, but you'll believe kavanaugh's accuser because women don't lie. There's a discrepancy there and you don't believe in your own message.

#4 I was talking about e.g. the miscarriage of justice in your position similar to #2, where slews of college men are expelled from college, losing scholarships based on nothing more than accusations and not tried in court (effects of slander) like the case of the white girl who claimed she was gang-raped by black football players when in reality she didn't want a possible (white) boyfriend to know she willingly had a threesone. But since title ix laws are on the books, those men were booted from school and lost their athletic scholarships and probably their chance at career sports. And she later was only charged because she admitted her lie.

Basically i can boil down my argument to: the refrain that we should "believe all women" is a reactionary one, a hypocrisy of the left since it means that they believe it's better that a thousand innocents go to jail than a single guilty person be set free, where innocents are subjected to either real jail time (false conviction) or suffer the effects of libel and slander (both crimes). Saying due process here doesn't apply because they aren't criminal proceedings is am empty rationalization at best, unless you're arguing libel and slander aren't criminal concerns.

And i mean, sure, the instances of false accusations are a probably disappearing fraction of true ones, but then again, see above.

[NomadPatriot]

So I make a typo... and you send this shade.

learn to laugh at yourself ..

Typos are not humorous
You’re dig isn’t intended to be a ‘fun joke’ between buddies...

"You’re dig isn’t intended..."

[mookiemcgee]

The important point here for both sides to remember, is that safe sex means filming the act! Making a sex tape each and every time, and ensuring both parties leave with a copy is the only way to ensure there is evidence for potential court dates later on down the road.

mookie=helpful

and you denied being a gay porn movie producer..

None of my films are gay porn, but I can send you a link to a few of the videos I made of your mom polishing my knob of that would help you move on? (just to be clear to the mods this is a reference to her cleaning the doorknobs at my house, any other point of view taken by others is not the one I've intended)