The Thing TOWN WINS!

[degaston]

Sorry, I was busy on Thursday and Friday, and out today until now. I'm trying to get caught up.

My first impression (based on running The Tick) is that Sonic was very good at picking townies to accuse, so whether he's the Thing or not, I'm inclined to do the opposite of what he says.

I'll try to come up with something more insightful to add.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

My first impression (based on running The Tick) is that Sonic was very good at picking townies to accuse, so whether he's the Thing or not, I'm inclined to do the opposite of what he says.

This is what I have been saying since the end of the last game.

[SoN!c]

Even tho Sonic seems morr analytical this game he is as off as always

This sure sounds like you are trying to convince people not voting the BT on you. Why? You should be happy to get a BT (rather then a innocent Lynch later on) if you are town.

It's just a BT. Not a Lynch. Only the Thing should be scared of the BT.

It's a new game and I'm still disagreeing with Sonic

Genuine townies should also not be happy to get a BT because it wastes a BT for them, and only guarantees they are not the recruiter. If we test me D1 and it's D3, there are plenty arguments one can make for me being cult despite my BT saying I am not cult.

I dont like how Sonic immediately added point totals for the votes. If that were the case, I'd much rather have X points to distribute among a minimum of 2 people.

My votes would be:
2 points for Pix
2 points for Deg
1 for Votanic
1 for Strike.

I agree with Rag that dega has been quiet as well.

I agree that genuine townies will look at the BT on them as a wasted opportunity.. pretty obvious. But what is the alternative? Lets not BT because we could be testing a townie?

The points are just a way to reach a consensus faster. Reaching 6 votes on D1 seems already very hard to do.. And perhaps by posting 3 suspects it could provide a clue later on in the game when that player gets infected and switches side.

But lets use your point system then:

2 points for Traf (other game, other strategy)
2 points for Deg (i followed you on Deg)
1 for Votanic
1 for Pixar

[Charle]

Whether it is Traf or Deg, they are both experienced players so I will go with what everybody decides. The BT also ensure that that person will not be lynched that day (if he is clean obviously) without having to claim. So IMHO I think it is actually a good thing to get a BT.

Having said this, The Thing knows who are town, so for him it doesn't matter, but he will probably infect the BT person at night, so the question is that do you guys still think it is good to BT an experienced player?

Also, Traf did try to swing the BT vote away from him, did we hit the right button by luck maybe?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Whether it is Traf or Deg, they are both experienced players so I will go with what everybody decides. The BT also ensure that that person will not be lynched that day (if he is clean obviously) without having to claim. So IMHO I think it is actually a good thing to get a BT.

Having said this, The Thing knows who are town, so for him it doesn't matter, but he will probably infect the BT person at night, so the question is that do you guys still think it is good to BT an experienced player?

Also, Traf did try to swing the BT vote away from him, did we hit the right button by luck maybe?

Of course wr have to BT, there is absolutely no reason not to. Nobody have say otherwise. Except Sonic twisting what was said. And as I said I will come clean so I am not afraid to getton BTed but it will be harder to get the thing. But somehow you seem to follow Sonic's Logic.

[Extreme Ways]

Whether it is Traf or Deg, they are both experienced players so I will go with what everybody decides. The BT also ensure that that person will not be lynched that day (if he is clean obviously) without having to claim. So IMHO I think it is actually a good thing to get a BT.

Having said this, The Thing knows who are town, so for him it doesn't matter, but he will probably infect the BT person at night, so the question is that do you guys still think it is good to BT an experienced player?

Also, Traf did try to swing the BT vote away from him, did we hit the right button by luck maybe?

If it's a good thing to get a BT, I am more than happy to oblige.

unBT BT Charle

The other things you say have been mentioned already a couple times, and any townie would try to defend himself.

[SoN!c]

Whether it is Traf or Deg, they are both experienced players so I will go with what everybody decides. The BT also ensure that that person will not be lynched that day (if he is clean obviously) without having to claim. So IMHO I think it is actually a good thing to get a BT.

Having said this, The Thing knows who are town, so for him it doesn't matter, but he will probably infect the BT person at night, so the question is that do you guys still think it is good to BT an experienced player?

Also, Traf did try to swing the BT vote away from him, did we hit the right button by luck maybe?

If it's a good thing to get a BT, I am more than happy to oblige.

unBT BT Charle

The other things you say have been mentioned already a couple times, and any townie would try to defend himself.

To be fair you should BT me then and not Charle. Please unvote BT Charle.

Also if i was the Thing i would not convert the BT'one but another experienced player. And stay in the drivers seat.. i'd convert the BT'one on D3 or so. I would play an entire different game. Too easy to win id say on these odds and difficult town understanding. This is 2 fingers in the nose win if you are The Thing. Too many ego's and not a unified town / science team. Voting for one of the few players that want to get town united.

[Ragian]

Why do you want a BT vote?

[SoN!c]

Why do you want a BT vote?

Cmon? Et tu Ragian?

We have to BT in order to win. No other choice im afraid.
BT Trafa because he was jumping on all sides id say. But true. We will never be 100% sure. My guess is as good as any. So if somebody has to go first in order to "get it going" i'll volunteer (happy to do so in that case).

[Extreme Ways]

Why do you want a BT vote?

Cmon? Et tu Ragian?

We have to BT in order to win. No other choice im afraid.
BT Trafa because he was jumping on all sides id say. But true. We will never be 100% sure. My guess is as good as any. So if somebody has to go first in order to "get it going" i'll volunteer (happy to do so in that case).

You're framing as if Ragian doesnt want to BT anyone. I'd rather BT someone who doesnt want to be BT'd. No one should want to be BT'd.

[Ragian]

What he said.

[*Pixar*]

Not a big fan of how Charle is okay with jumping on bandwagon BT votes. To me he is most suspicious, trying to speed up the game by getting some type of result as quick as possible. Other than that, I have been reading a whole lot of nothing. In my opinion other than Charle I think most experienced should be blood tested first. Less experienced players are more prone to making mistakes in which we can catch. So with that said my point system goes as follows:

3 Charle
1 Ragian
1 Degastion
1 Son!c

Adding Son!c to this list because he is always good at confusing the hell out of me

BT Charle

[SoN!c]

BT on Charle is a wasted one. We can talk mumbo jumbo all we want but this will get us nowhere.. We are moving in circles.

Only Traf really wanted to avoid the BT, that is all we have after 6 days.

But Charle posted from the beginning that we as town should be united and should start by BT one. That sounds solid and genuine.

And now we are gonna BT the one guy that wants to see a united town and get this Thing going? Oh man.

[Ragian]

@Pixar, why not Strike Wolf or Extreme Ways?

[*Pixar*]

@Pixar, why not Strike Wolf or Extreme Ways?

Ehh strike unless confusing me seems to be taking this type of game like I am, not a big fan of cult games lol. I'm reading him as a vanilla townie like me. I see him trying to work for town by get everyone to make a list of his top BT list.

I could add EW on the list, kind of weird he wants a BT on Dega or me and already wanting to lynch the other. But then again haven't had too much experience playing with EW

[Ragian]

Alright, he's very experienced and very clever at mafia. He's not adding much, however. Therefore: BT Degaston

[degaston]

Alright, he's very experienced and very clever at mafia. He's not adding much, however. Therefore: BT Degaston

Yeah, I deserve that. I should know better than to draw attention to myself by being this inactive, but I've had a lot going on lately. Day 1 usually lasts a while, so I hope to be able to make up for it soon.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Blood Vote:
(1) Pixar - Swang
(2) Traf - Sonic, Charle
(2) Charle - EW, Pixar
(1) Dega - Ragian


Lynch Vote:
None

With 10 alive, it takes 6 for majority

[strike wolf]

I've had an on and off headache and been away from screens. Seems to be gone today. Ive read up but honestly, don't think I digested everything. At least at the moment, I don't think I'm biting on the case against Traf. Charle and Son!c seem to be interacting similar to their day 1 reactions in The Tick Mafia in which they were both town.

Ragian is probably right that less active than usual experienced players is the place to start.

[Votanic]

Whether it is Traf or Deg, they are both experienced players so I will go with what everybody decides. The BT also ensure that that person will not be lynched that day (if he is clean obviously) without having to claim. So IMHO I think it is actually a good thing to get a BT.

Having said this, The Thing knows who are town, so for him it doesn't matter, but he will probably infect the BT person at night, so the question is that do you guys still think it is good to BT an experienced player?

Also, Traf did try to swing the BT vote away from him, did we hit the right button by luck maybe?

If it's a good thing to get a BT, I am more than happy to oblige.

unBT BT Charle

The other things you say have been mentioned already a couple times, and any townie would try to defend himself.

To be fair you should BT me then and not Charle. Please unvote BT Charle.

Also if i was the Thing i would not convert the BT'one but another experienced player. And stay in the drivers seat.. i'd convert the BT'one on D3 or so. I would play an entire different game. Too easy to win id say on these odds and difficult town understanding. This is 2 fingers in the nose win if you are The Thing. Too many ego's and not a unified town / science team. Voting for one of the few players that want to get town united.

This quoted post kind of connects several points I've been thinking about.

Bandwagons: Joining a bandwagon only seems scummy to me if it there is evidence to not get on it, or rather evidence to get on a different bandwagon. Here there isn't much real evidence, yet anyway, and we all seem to be in agreement that a BT is necessary.

Avoidance: This is a team game. All townies do have some obligation to avoid the BT because they know it is a wasted opportunity if they are tested. If there were power roles then a pecking order would develop, but here it seems that all townies are equal, so again, back to the random guessing game.

The last paragraph is the main reason I connected with this post since it is the first detailed prediction of what The Thing might do. Trying to guess what the enemy will do is not in itself scummy, but this elaborate scenario seems overly thought-out to me. If these outcomes actually do comes to pass, then attention will be paid to SoN!c, but I don't know if that attention will be positive (innocent and/or prescient) or negative (scummy and/or reality generating,in the sense that The Thing might do what SoN!c says he will do for that very reason).

SoN!c, can you elaborate a bit more about why you think this would happen, or is it just more guessing?

I know the nature of mafia games is for players to keep typing until a slip-up is detected. However such slip-ups are often 'false positives' that end with a lynched townie.
In that case, I do believe in being cautious and generous. Therefore, I am not really pointing a finger, more just trying to peel away and understand another layer of supposition.

[SoN!c]

Whether it is Traf or Deg, they are both experienced players so I will go with what everybody decides. The BT also ensure that that person will not be lynched that day (if he is clean obviously) without having to claim. So IMHO I think it is actually a good thing to get a BT.

Having said this, The Thing knows who are town, so for him it doesn't matter, but he will probably infect the BT person at night, so the question is that do you guys still think it is good to BT an experienced player?

Also, Traf did try to swing the BT vote away from him, did we hit the right button by luck maybe?

If it's a good thing to get a BT, I am more than happy to oblige.

unBT BT Charle

The other things you say have been mentioned already a couple times, and any townie would try to defend himself.

To be fair you should BT me then and not Charle. Please unvote BT Charle.

Also if i was the Thing i would not convert the BT'one but another experienced player. And stay in the drivers seat.. i'd convert the BT'one on D3 or so. I would play an entire different game. Too easy to win id say on these odds and difficult town understanding. This is 2 fingers in the nose win if you are The Thing. Too many ego's and not a unified town / science team. Voting for one of the few players that want to get town united.

This quoted post kind of connects several points I've been thinking about.

Bandwagons: Joining a bandwagon only seems scummy to me if it there is evidence to not get on it, or rather evidence to get on a different bandwagon. Here there isn't much real evidence, yet anyway, and we all seem to be in agreement that a BT is necessary.

Avoidance: This is a team game. All townies do have some obligation to avoid the BT because they know it is a wasted opportunity if they are tested. If there were power roles then a pecking order would develop, but here it seems that all townies are equal, so again, back to the random guessing game.

The last paragraph is the main reason I connected with this post since it is the first detailed prediction of what The Thing might do. Trying to guess what the enemy will do is not in itself scummy, but this elaborate scenario seems overly thought-out to me. If these outcomes actually do comes to pass, then attention will be paid to SoN!c, but I don't know if that attention will be positive (innocent and/or prescient) or negative (scummy and/or reality generating,in the sense that The Thing might do what SoN!c says he will do for that very reason).

SoN!c, can you elaborate a bit more about why you think this would happen, or is it just more guessing?

I know the nature of mafia games is for players to keep typing until a slip-up is detected. However such slip-ups are often 'false positives' that end with a lynched townie.
In that case, I do believe in being cautious and generous. Therefore, I am not really pointing a finger, more just trying to peel away and understand another layer of supposition.

1) Today its 9 vs 1. The Thing is all alone today. But only today. You can't compare this to a regular mafia game where scum is already working together on D1 steering town (or trying to steer town). In the first days we settled on the idea to BT everyday, then lynch everyday, just to get the highest town win %.
In that scenario: taking the BT, if it's positive : lynch the positive but otherwise lynch somebody at random.
So in that scenario you rather want the BT then the lynch.
Also today "the bandwagon" scenario does not mean that much. Again the Thing is alone TODAY and it would be just 1 vote. So why take the risk of bandwagoning somebody (as the Thing) and get some suspicions on your hand. Very unlikely because its a stupid move i say.

2) I get the feeling some players are just fast-forwarding a lot of posts and are not reading them because it's a cult game or other reasons. So they missed the part we settled on the idea to BT everyday, then lynch everyday, just to get the highest town win %. But im sure The Thing is reading them all thorough. Balancing his posts not drawing too much attention / getting good D1 credibility. And, as The Thing, you can't afford not reading. That also means i got the players who i think did not read everything on my "town list".

3) Is The Thing gonna recruit the BT-one? It is surely a big possibility. But it would also be the most obvious choice. So if i where the Thing i would just recruit an experienced player. Preferably one with good credibility and capacity to steer town on D2. Odds say we will lose majority on D3 in the most realistic scenario. Even today when it's 9 versus 1 the votes are utmost devided.

4) "back to the random guessing game" is what we have here yes. Also the reason why we are running in circles. But if i think on all the previous i do not come up with 9 suspects but a lot less.

[Votanic]

Okay, I won't requote all that again, but this is a response to the previous post.

I guess there are two kinds of bandwagons. The usual: (he's scum) bandwagon, and our situation: the (random) bandwagon. A "randwagon" if you will.
Tha majority of us need to get on the "randwagon" and for no particularly good reason either...

DDS didn't seem willing to roll dice for us, but it would save a lot of problems. Maybe we could agee on a random event that would decide.

For example, the reported temperature in some random city (Timbuktu?) on Thursday morning could decide.
The temperature's numeral in the one's place might be close to random.

Admittedly, that's a goofy idea, but it is one example of how to generate a random 10-die outcome from a real-world event.

[swang918]

Okay, I won't requote all that again, but this is a response to the previous post.

I guess there are two kinds of bandwagons. The usual: (he's scum) bandwagon, and our situation: the (random) bandwagon. A "randwagon" if you will.
Tha majority of us need to get on the "randwagon" and for no particularly good reason either...

DDS didn't seem willing to roll dice for us, but it would save a lot of problems. Maybe we could agee on a random event that would decide.

For example, the reported temperature in some random city (Timbuktu?) on Thursday morning could decide.
The temperature's numeral in the one's place might be close to random.

Admittedly, that's a goofy idea, but it is one example of how to generate a random 10-die outcome from a real-world event.

I don't have anything to add but I just love that a random bandwagon is called a "randwagon."

[Extreme Ways]

I like your idea of a random bandwagon for the BT, but I dont think it fits day 1. On day 2, cult will be with 2 and thus be more capable of steering town off of someone.

Swang coasting along... probably nothing to find there anyway.

[Charle]

I just want us to get somewhere, let's get a BT out so that we can move forward. Everybody is just talking randomly in circles making guesses, at this point of time we do not have something concrete to work on. So if that is jumping on a bandwagon, then that is so, but we need to move forward before the mod give us a deadline and we have one wasted day. Whatever you decide, I will go with.

Once we have the BT, we can decide on the lynch and hopefully get a claim out as well, then we are cooking with gas!