The Thing TOWN WINS!

[Extreme Ways]

For the record, I dont think a random lynch is scummy. I like a lynch so if there's not a consensus in time, I'll add myself to any and all votes that aren't me.

Also I'm sorry for my inactivity, I started a mafia game on mafiauniverse and day 1 had almost 1k posts, I'm trying my hardest there but with a full time job it's tough.

I agree that Dega's defense has not been sufficient and if he comes back negative, he can lead the lynch D1 with his promised improvement.

[b]BT Dega[/b (I forgot if I was already on dega)

[SoN!c]

Ugh, I posted the quote without my commentary.
Forgive me this one edit.

Sonic, this quoted post is why I thought you found Traf not voting Pixar to scummy. Not trying to put words in your mouth.

...However, your actual quotes are eyebrow-raising enough.
Again and again, you make a lot of assumptions about other players actions or motivations, but I can't follow the logic behind it...
You want to me to take a stand, okay I'll point a finger at you.

I explained why in the previous post you quoted:

I have another theory. If you are the Thing you pretty much know that if you can survive just for 3 days its in the bag like a 90% sure win.

So if i was the Thing i would try to buy me some good credibility on D1. That good cred will get me through the 3 days i need to win. Its just 3 days on cult. Its not 5 like mafia..

And the best way to do that is not to join the Pixar bandwagon but saying that we should test "somebody else". Because today that is just a 1/9 chance it would backfire (if the outcome of "testing somebody else" would result in you getting tested in the end).

But if not, and they choose somebody else to test (on 8/9 odds) you will be trusted so much its pretty much won.

That is why i voted Traf

[*Pixar*]

Sorry I’ve been busy AF at work this week. In a game like this, would it be beneficial to have a mass claim this early and go from there? Might get someone who slips and says a duplicate role? Because at this point it’s just a random guess for our BT. We still have plenty of time with about a week left to think about it… Not a huge rush yet

[strike wolf]

DDS picked a random character and gave it as a fake claim to The Thing. The only roles that might be provable are the type we should not reveal early at risk of making them a target for The Thing. Theres also no guarantee so far we even have power roles as pretty mich everyone who has claimed any type of role has hinted or outright said theyre Banilla and any vanilla claim is going to be just as weak as the next vanilla claim. Ergo, I think claims for the most part in this game are going to be mostly meaningless.

[Votanic]

I have another theory. If you are the Thing you pretty much know that if you can survive just for 3 days its in the bag like a 90% sure win.

So if i was the Thing i would try to buy me some good credibility on D1. That good cred will get me through the 3 days i need to win. Its just 3 days on cult. Its not 5 like mafia..

And the best way to do that is not to join the Pixar bandwagon but saying that we should test "somebody else". Because today that is just a 1/9 chance it would backfire (if the outcome of "testing somebody else" would result in you getting tested in the end).

But if not, and they choose somebody else to test (on 8/9 odds) you will be trusted so much its pretty much won.

I don't get why you suggesting a second 'random' BT choice, instead of going with the first 'random' BT choice, would buy you or anyone, town credibility.
...but maybe I'm not supposed to 'get it'... maybe there is nothing to get, except well-designed (and badly-intentioned) bafflement.

[SoN!c]

I have another theory. If you are the Thing you pretty much know that if you can survive just for 3 days its in the bag like a 90% sure win.

So if i was the Thing i would try to buy me some good credibility on D1. That good cred will get me through the 3 days i need to win. Its just 3 days on cult. Its not 5 like mafia..

And the best way to do that is not to join the Pixar bandwagon but saying that we should test "somebody else". Because today that is just a 1/9 chance it would backfire (if the outcome of "testing somebody else" would result in you getting tested in the end).

But if not, and they choose somebody else to test (on 8/9 odds) you will be trusted so much its pretty much won.

I don't get why you suggesting a second 'random' BT choice, instead of going with the first 'random' BT choice, would buy you or anyone, town credibility.
...but maybe I'm not supposed to 'get it'... maybe there is nothing to get, except well-designed (and badly-intentioned) bafflement.

We agreed in the first days to BT and Lynch everyday. To get the max % to win as town. So if the BT is negative we proceed with a random lynch (ofcourse not including the negative tested).

Also You cant do a 'second random BT' as it is maximum 1 BT a day (game day).

Suppose we were gonna BT Pixar (and assume Pixar is town) surely The Thing would love that right?
But if The Thing takes it one step further he could say no, lets test somebody else. But even then its just 1/9 chance he could be tested himself right?. But very unlikely town would BT the one person that asked this because by asking you look so townie.

And then by doing so The Thing would have scored a lot of town cred

[Ragian]

I smell a WIFOM argument in, "The Thing wouldn't vote first." Knowing that, surely The Thing would vote early if experienced.

Many people on Dega now.

[SoN!c]

I smell a WIFOM argument in, "The Thing wouldn't vote first." Knowing that, surely The Thing would vote early if experienced.

Many people on Dega now.

Yes, but that was EW (voting fast) and i don't believe EW is the Thing. If he is hats off.

Deadline Set: November 10th 10PM UTC -7

Blood Test Vote:
(1) Pixar - Swang
(2) Traf - Sonic, Charle
(1) Charle - Pixar
(4) Dega - Ragian, Strike, Traf, EW : BUT i don't think EW's vote (vote by Extreme Ways on Thu Nov 02, 2023 10:41 pm) counts, in the rules it says you have to unvote first. So his vote is still on Charle if that is correct?

We got 7 days deadline but perhaps we should not risk waiting for the November 10th (people could get the timezone wrong or whatever). So let's set deadline November 9th? That's 6 more days..

[Charle]

I think the quicker we can get a BT, the more time we have to discuss the lynch, and/or getting a claim out as well. So I agree with Ragian, let's get as much info we can for the lynch, but we have to get going with the BT first.

[SoN!c]

I think the quicker we can get a BT, the more time we have to discuss the lynch, and/or getting a claim out as well. So I agree with Ragian, let's get as much info we can for the lynch, but we have to get going with the BT first.

I agree, but rest of town is not in a hurry for the BT it seems..perhaps because we don't know if the deadline is for BT only or D1 ending..

[Votanic]

I have another theory. If you are the Thing you pretty much know that if you can survive just for 3 days its in the bag like a 90% sure win.

So if i was the Thing i would try to buy me some good credibility on D1. That good cred will get me through the 3 days i need to win. Its just 3 days on cult. Its not 5 like mafia..

And the best way to do that is not to join the Pixar bandwagon but saying that we should test "somebody else". Because today that is just a 1/9 chance it would backfire (if the outcome of "testing somebody else" would result in you getting tested in the end).

But if not, and they choose somebody else to test (on 8/9 odds) you will be trusted so much its pretty much won.

I don't get why you suggesting a second 'random' BT choice, instead of going with the first 'random' BT choice, would buy you or anyone, town credibility.
...but maybe I'm not supposed to 'get it'... maybe there is nothing to get, except well-designed (and badly-intentioned) bafflement.

We agreed in the first days to BT and Lynch everyday. To get the max % to win as town. So if the BT is negative we proceed with a random lynch (ofcourse not including the negative tested).

Also You cant do a 'second random BT' as it is maximum 1 BT a day (game day).

Suppose we were gonna BT Pixar (and assume Pixar is town) surely The Thing would love that right?
But if The Thing takes it one step further he could say no, lets test somebody else. But even then its just 1/9 chance he could be tested himself right?. But very unlikely town would BT the one person that asked this because by asking you look so townie.

And then by doing so The Thing would have scored a lot of town cred

Okay, maybe... but that cred (if any) would only come days later (if at all) when the first potential BT candidate was discovered to be town.
I'm not saying your idea is scummy, but it is over-elaborate.

[SoN!c]

I have another theory. If you are the Thing you pretty much know that if you can survive just for 3 days its in the bag like a 90% sure win.

So if i was the Thing i would try to buy me some good credibility on D1. That good cred will get me through the 3 days i need to win. Its just 3 days on cult. Its not 5 like mafia..

And the best way to do that is not to join the Pixar bandwagon but saying that we should test "somebody else". Because today that is just a 1/9 chance it would backfire (if the outcome of "testing somebody else" would result in you getting tested in the end).

But if not, and they choose somebody else to test (on 8/9 odds) you will be trusted so much its pretty much won.

I don't get why you suggesting a second 'random' BT choice, instead of going with the first 'random' BT choice, would buy you or anyone, town credibility.
...but maybe I'm not supposed to 'get it'... maybe there is nothing to get, except well-designed (and badly-intentioned) bafflement.

We agreed in the first days to BT and Lynch everyday. To get the max % to win as town. So if the BT is negative we proceed with a random lynch (ofcourse not including the negative tested).

Also You cant do a 'second random BT' as it is maximum 1 BT a day (game day).

Suppose we were gonna BT Pixar (and assume Pixar is town) surely The Thing would love that right?
But if The Thing takes it one step further he could say no, lets test somebody else. But even then its just 1/9 chance he could be tested himself right?. But very unlikely town would BT the one person that asked this because by asking you look so townie.

And then by doing so The Thing would have scored a lot of town cred

Okay, maybe... but that cred (if any) would only come days later (if at all) when the first potential BT candidate was discovered to be town.
I'm not saying your idea is scummy, but it is over-elaborate.

I already played this game thinking how everybody would play. So i played it as Ragian, as EW...as everybody i know from previous mafia game and based upon personal knowledge as i know a few. Believe me, its not over-elaborated on Traf. It is exactly what he would do if he was the Thing. And next he jumped away from the BT. Okay - its not much to go on..but what will you get more -more but a random guess- then that?

Also Traf said to better test "somebody else" but never said who or why.. so it was more about getting credibility by posting "test somebody else" then anything else?..saying "test somebody else" but not knowing why (he admitted that to Ragian) is just another random vote in the end.. so why don't you stay with the first random vote then? It does not make any sense unless you wanted to score town credability? Why changing a random vote with just another random vote when you admit you dont know why? (Or dont want to tell the real reason)

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I have another theory. If you are the Thing you pretty much know that if you can survive just for 3 days its in the bag like a 90% sure win.

So if i was the Thing i would try to buy me some good credibility on D1. That good cred will get me through the 3 days i need to win. Its just 3 days on cult. Its not 5 like mafia..

And the best way to do that is not to join the Pixar bandwagon but saying that we should test "somebody else". Because today that is just a 1/9 chance it would backfire (if the outcome of "testing somebody else" would result in you getting tested in the end).

But if not, and they choose somebody else to test (on 8/9 odds) you will be trusted so much its pretty much won.

Ok, I'm a really getting tired of this. I though you were gonna play it different as u did in the Tick, but no. You are still as off. Come on then everyone BT me and when it comes clean we can all stop reading this nonsensiscal theories that Sonic post.

Stop acting as if u were extremly smart and able to see how everybody would play this cause u are absolutely wrong about me. We will waste our BT today but at least we all know can know who not to listen to.
I don't get why you suggesting a second 'random' BT choice, instead of going with the first 'random' BT choice, would buy you or anyone, town credibility.
...but maybe I'm not supposed to 'get it'... maybe there is nothing to get, except well-designed (and badly-intentioned) bafflement.

We agreed in the first days to BT and Lynch everyday. To get the max % to win as town. So if the BT is negative we proceed with a random lynch (ofcourse not including the negative tested).

Also You cant do a 'second random BT' as it is maximum 1 BT a day (game day).

Suppose we were gonna BT Pixar (and assume Pixar is town) surely The Thing would love that right?
But if The Thing takes it one step further he could say no, lets test somebody else. But even then its just 1/9 chance he could be tested himself right?. But very unlikely town would BT the one person that asked this because by asking you look so townie.

And then by doing so The Thing would have scored a lot of town cred

Okay, maybe... but that cred (if any) would only come days later (if at all) when the first potential BT candidate was discovered to be town.
I'm not saying your idea is scummy, but it is over-elaborate.

I already played this game thinking how everybody would play. So i played it as Ragian, as EW...as everybody i know from previous mafia game and based upon personal knowledge as i know a few. Believe me, its not over-elaborated on Traf. It is exactly what he would do if he was the Thing. And next he jumped away from the BT. Okay - its not much to go on..but what will you get more -more but a random guess- then that?

Also Traf said to better test "somebody else" but never said who or why.. so it was more about getting credibility by posting "test somebody else" then anything else?..saying "test somebody else" but not knowing why (he admitted that to Ragian) is just another random vote in the end.. so why don't you stay with the first random vote then? It does not make any sense unless you wanted to score town credability? Why changing a random vote with just another random vote when you admit you dont know why? (Or dont want to tell the real reason)

[SoN!c]

? Just a quote with nothing else?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I have another theory. If you are the Thing you pretty much know that if you can survive just for 3 days its in the bag like a 90% sure win.

So if i was the Thing i would try to buy me some good credibility on D1. That good cred will get me through the 3 days i need to win. Its just 3 days on cult. Its not 5 like mafia..

And the best way to do that is not to join the Pixar bandwagon but saying that we should test "somebody else". Because today that is just a 1/9 chance it would backfire (if the outcome of "testing somebody else" would result in you getting tested in the end).

But if not, and they choose somebody else to test (on 8/9 odds) you will be trusted so much its pretty much won.

Ok, I'm a really getting tired of this. I though you were gonna play it different as u did in the Tick, but no. You are still as off. Come on then everyone BT me and when it comes clean we can all stop reading this nonsensiscal theories that Sonic post.

Stop acting as if u were extremly smart and able to see how everybody would play this cause u are absolutely wrong about me. We will waste our BT today but at least we all know can know who not to listen to.
I don't get why you suggesting a second 'random' BT choice, instead of going with the first 'random' BT choice, would buy you or anyone, town credibility.
...but maybe I'm not supposed to 'get it'... maybe there is nothing to get, except well-designed (and badly-intentioned) bafflement.

We agreed in the first days to BT and Lynch everyday. To get the max % to win as town. So if the BT is negative we proceed with a random lynch (ofcourse not including the negative tested).

Also You cant do a 'second random BT' as it is maximum 1 BT a day (game day).

Suppose we were gonna BT Pixar (and assume Pixar is town) surely The Thing would love that right?
But if The Thing takes it one step further he could say no, lets test somebody else. But even then its just 1/9 chance he could be tested himself right?. But very unlikely town would BT the one person that asked this because by asking you look so townie.

And then by doing so The Thing would have scored a lot of town cred

Okay, maybe... but that cred (if any) would only come days later (if at all) when the first potential BT candidate was discovered to be town.
I'm not saying your idea is scummy, but it is over-elaborate.

I already played this game thinking how everybody would play. So i played it as Ragian, as EW...as everybody i know from previous mafia game and based upon personal knowledge as i know a few. Believe me, its not over-elaborated on Traf. It is exactly what he would do if he was the Thing. And next he jumped away from the BT. Okay - its not much to go on..but what will you get more -more but a random guess- then that?

Also Traf said to better test "somebody else" but never said who or why.. so it was more about getting credibility by posting "test somebody else" then anything else?..saying "test somebody else" but not knowing why (he admitted that to Ragian) is just another random vote in the end.. so why don't you stay with the first random vote then? It does not make any sense unless you wanted to score town credability? Why changing a random vote with just another random vote when you admit you dont know why? (Or dont want to tell the real reason)

I quoted and wrote in the wrong place I highlighted what i wrote but here is it again.
Ok, I'm a really getting tired of this. I though you were gonna play it different as u did in the Tick, but no. You are still as off. Come on then everyone BT me and when it comes clean we can all stop reading this nonsensiscal theories that Sonic post.

Stop acting as if u were extremly smart and able to see how everybody would play this cause u are absolutely wrong about me. We will waste our BT today but at least we all know can know who not to listen to.

[SoN!c]

Could you post something why we should listen to you then? Like contributing something in the search?

Rub / scratch / poke something of your own perhaps? And explain why you wanted to change a random BT on Pixar to a random BT on somebody else for no reason?

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Could you post something why we should listen to you then? Like contributing something in the search?

Rub / scratch / poke something of your own perhaps? And explain why you wanted to change a random BT on Pixar to a random BT on somebody else?

According to you the way to contribute is make some assumptions in my head and then twist things so it fits my narrative. And then go vocal about why what I said it's the only logical explanation? Cause that playstyle has only gotten the town confused over and over again. First in the Tick where I could find multiple times of how you confused town while I helped out the bad guys.

But ok, here comes my analysis, which was already kind of clear but as u see me as the Thing nothing I have said before really matters to you.

It’s D1 - as in most mafia games there is no real info as no one has any clue about the other (Except for certain playstyles but I’ll come to it later). SO it is impossible to say things for certain. Unlike you who say you are certain of me being the tick or you being certain of things that were not true on the tick. Always in D1 nothing is certain before an action occurs.

So yes, we can all think about playstyles. That's how I suspected Fusi being Mafia in the school game and I happened to be right but people can change his playstyle, that's how Fusi played us all in the Tick game.

Now this is a cult game, most people here including myself have never played a cult game, so yes we are unsure of how certain things happen, but even more importantly, it can play out very differently to a normal game, therefore not much can be said about certain actions in D1. ALthough admittedly some things can be off as Dega not saying anything which I already pointed out more than once. But I’m not here saying: “Hey you know what I know how Deg play cult games even if I haven't play a cult game before, he pretends not be around so he does not drag attention, then when spotted he tries to make some questions so we forget we are questioning him and the he is safe for the day ready to win the game in D3, why can’t you all see it?”

See one thing is indeed pointing something MIGHT be off and a completely different thing is claiming you are certain how it is cause there is no other possibility.

I made an initial list of players I would have liked to BT, but then I thought about what you said of when the Thing would like to vote for and made a different list with this new info. according to what strikes off to me.

And that is collaborating: saying my thoughts. not trying to act as some kind of Sherlock who is into everybody's mind if it's not the case.

[SoN!c]

Well, thanks Traf. Finally you posted something from your heart. And i believe you on this.

If i say something "certain" it is to have a bigger rub / scratch effect. But knowing there is another possibility..there are always lots of other possibilities.

Still i always explained why. And i liked the theory on you. Posting theories is half the fun, and it gets something going.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Well, thanks Traf. Finally you posted something from your heart. And i believe you on this.

If i say something "certain" it is to have a bigger rub / scratch effect. But knowing there is another possibility..there are always lots of other possibilities.

Still i always explained why. And i liked the theory on you. Posting theories is half the fun, and it gets something going.

Admitedly it did get something going this time.

[Extreme Ways]

We agreed in the first days to BT and Lynch everyday. To get the max % to win as town. So if the BT is negative we proceed with a random lynch (ofcourse not including the negative tested).

Also You cant do a 'second random BT' as it is maximum 1 BT a day (game day).

Suppose we were gonna BT Pixar (and assume Pixar is town) surely The Thing would love that right?
But if The Thing takes it one step further he could say no, lets test somebody else. But even then its just 1/9 chance he could be tested himself right?. But very unlikely town would BT the one person that asked this because by asking you look so townie.

And then by doing so The Thing would have scored a lot of town cred

Okay, maybe... but that cred (if any) would only come days later (if at all) when the first potential BT candidate was discovered to be town.
I'm not saying your idea is scummy, but it is over-elaborate.

I already played this game thinking how everybody would play. So i played it as Ragian, as EW...as everybody i know from previous mafia game and based upon personal knowledge as i know a few. Believe me, its not over-elaborated on Traf. It is exactly what he would do if he was the Thing. And next he jumped away from the BT. Okay - its not much to go on..but what will you get more -more but a random guess- then that?

Also Traf said to better test "somebody else" but never said who or why.. so it was more about getting credibility by posting "test somebody else" then anything else?..saying "test somebody else" but not knowing why (he admitted that to Ragian) is just another random vote in the end.. so why don't you stay with the first random vote then? It does not make any sense unless you wanted to score town credability? Why changing a random vote with just another random vote when you admit you dont know why? (Or dont want to tell the real reason)

I quoted and wrote in the wrong place I highlighted what i wrote but here is it again.
Ok, I'm a really getting tired of this. I though you were gonna play it different as u did in the Tick, but no. You are still as off. Come on then everyone BT me and when it comes clean we can all stop reading this nonsensiscal theories that Sonic post.

Stop acting as if u were extremly smart and able to see how everybody would play this cause u are absolutely wrong about me. We will waste our BT today but at least we all know can know who not to listen to.

Vote (lynch) Traf
I'm surprised this got an emotional reaction out of Traf while the Tick game didnt get him going like this at all. Admittedly I didnt read Sonic's post until already having written this, but it's not that extraordinary to Sonic's standard - just the same bs. I have a feeling like Traf is very invested in this game because he might be the thing.

[strike wolf]

Why jump straight to vote though, EW? BT first always makes more sense unless we're completely out of time. I also kindnof get Traf getting fed up with Son!c because it happened to me Day 4 of The Tick mafia. Traf: I'd suggest just blocking him for a day or two. Even if you still end up reading all of his posts, it'll give you a second or two mentally brace yourself.

We are getting to a point where I think we need to push through a BT so that we have time to push through any lynch. I hate to say it but I have no real reads right now. I probably need to read back through but haven't found the energy to do so. Dega or Traf seem to be the only two who have a chance at getting BTed. I'll stick to Dega for now. Though I can't say I have a super strong reason beyond generally agreeing that he's been relatively inactive.

[Votanic]

Vote (lynch) Traf
I'm surprised this got an emotional reaction out of Traf while the Tick game didnt get him going like this at all. Admittedly I didnt read Sonic's post until already having written this, but it's not that extraordinary to Sonic's standard - just the same bs. I have a feeling like Traf is very invested in this game because he might be the thing.

I will kindly not requote everything again, only EW's response to the previous quotes by Traf, Sonic, and myself..

I'm still trying to figure out everyone's personalities and M.O.s here... but this is a bit over the top.

Yes, Sonic triggered Traf and myself with an over-wrought story, which seems to be something he is known for...

However, our reactions are quite mild, compared to this totally ballistic 'lynch Traf' post by EW.

Indeed, suddenly throwing out a lynch vote, before the BT is definitely an extreme way to go about things.

...and what really makes it weird is that EW also admits that Sonic's stories are 'the same bs'.
I get that Sonic's bs story don't necessarily make him scum/cult (...or not), but shouldn't they at least be called out as such, before they further waylay other players?

It was exciting though, and we will need something to keep a week-long circular debate lively... but this is probably going to cause more problems that it solves.

[Extreme Ways]

Why jump straight to vote though, EW? BT first always makes more sense unless we're completely out of time. I also kindnof get Traf getting fed up with Son!c because it happened to me Day 4 of The Tick mafia. Traf: I'd suggest just blocking him for a day or two. Even if you still end up reading all of his posts, it'll give you a second or two mentally brace yourself.

We are getting to a point where I think we need to push through a BT so that we have time to push through any lynch. I hate to say it but I have no real reads right now. I probably need to read back through but haven't found the energy to do so. Dega or Traf seem to be the only two who have a chance at getting BTed. I'll stick to Dega for now. Though I can't say I have a super strong reason beyond generally agreeing that he's been relatively inactive.

I voted immediately because my BT is on Dega and I dont want to scatter on Traf. We need to find majority vote for both actions regardless, so this way I add a vote in advance.

If Town allows itself to somehow lynch traf before they bt dega, then that's on whoever hammered.

[Extreme Ways]

fp votanic but I mainly wanted to respond to the BT, but considering that votanic hasn't played the tick...

I've gone back and forth with Sonic pretty much each day until I got killed, and it only added extra posts for less-active players to read through. I think I do more damage to town if I engage with them, than if I ignore them and allow misinformation to exist. I only engage with the most egregious and this one wasnt that terrible.

[Votanic]

Btw, EW, are you still voting to blood test Dega, even though you have already decided to lynch Trag... ???
I don't want to be the one to say it... but isn't this kinda getting into OMGUS territory?