DAY 3 Viva Loose Vegas - Mafia Game

[Extreme Ways]

Rereading in order to make up my mind, having been posting without much merit mainly due to connection issues (I have to use my mobile wifi in order to get to CC as my dumbass router blocks it for...reasons I'm too thick to get). So, here's me trying to make sense of what's going on. I'm doing this chronologically in sort of note form...

Loose stated that the resort is legit. But playing a poker game in the boiler room? That sounds "off grid resort" dodgy.. So with 13 players in a legit resort i guess the scum is to be found at that shady poker table? Who else has the same idea?

are the poker players also supposed to be guessing 5 players at the table in order to win the goodie bag? because if so, that means it's not typical "mafia" in that they don't know each other? but then that raises questions on how night kills work as a collective.

guess i'm a little confused

Homer's comment sounds like a big, "don't look here!" That raises an eyebrow.

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Charle ticking all boxes on a scum Charle version sofar/quote]

FP by Charle who just unticked one of his boxes

Care to share some boxes for the benefit of town?

I actually think that at leasst one Scum is at the table. but ofc I have nothing to back that up. But yeah town power roles might be at the table as well.

Why do you think this?

there are two options for the table.

if it is a situation where it's a shady game, then maybe certain roles were selected for the table, and those randomly assigned those roles are there.. which would likely be a mix of scum and certain power roles (vigilante type, so not scum, but not a "by the book" character either)

or the table spots are randomly assigned, so it'll be a mix of scum, power roles, vanilla townies

i don't think we have any indications yet which way it goes

Here, again...I can't help but being pinged by this. These posts are speculations about a setup we cannot know about. Basically, it's a waste of time. It makes me think that Homer is trying to look as if he's participating when actually he's bringing nothing to the table (giggles). (This, incidentally, is also my answer to jfm's question, which I think I understand now rereading the thread.)

Jfm goes in a similar category with his post following Homer's. But to a lesser extent.

Also correct me if I'm wrong but in one post, it gets highlighted that I'm still voting Rag and I respond that it's a d1 vote and just a single vote - whatever.

In another post, Sonic says I am getting too invested over a single vote.

Rag/Sonic, what do you make of your ideas surrounding this?

unvote

I highlighted that you were still voting me. I think. I was just suffering from a broken heart. That was meant as banter. I'm not too sure I understand your question correctly. But, on another note, where have you gone?

In the interest of balance, Homer made a comment on EW that has nothing to do with setup but is slightly accusatory. That takes some of the scummy away.

I read you loud and clear EW.

Wow...what is this?

EW came back to vote Son!c. I can't tell if EW is geuinely annoyed with Son!c because it's frustrating to be in the hot seat due to merit or because Son!c actually stumpled upon something.

I just have a feeling that Sonic might be onto something, so I am going to follow him. In the same breath I really like EW's strategy to lynch day 1 so that we keep the first move with Town.

So in this case, Vote Devante

This "feeling". What is that based on?

And unvote

I rattled enough cages and know all i wanna know on D1.

Vote no lynch

Son!c, what the fudge? I had you down as town and then you back down as if you're scared to have blood on your hands. What gives with the unvote?

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So, that gave me some insight, but not too much.

1. Son!c - I like the probing and the unfounded accusations because it brings stuff to the table. But the unvote at the end. No.
2. Ragian - IT idiot but beautiful town.
3. Extreme Ways - I still find EW's posts less sane than usual. I just can't tell if genuine annoyance or caught annoyance.
4. Charle - Charle goes with Son!c, which seemed off, but also questions Son!c's disappearance from the train. That's good.
5. TrafalgarLaw01 - Can't tell either or right now, but handed me victory last game, so that's a D1 pass
6. Devante - Not sure I understood the votes on Devante, but interestingly Son!c unvoted when it started getting serious.
7. kongming3 - Made the oddest comment so far IMO. I want to investigate that.
8. *pixar* - Seems usual Pixar hiding in the corner till the weather looks nicer.
9. Maxleod - AWOL, banned, drunk, whatevs...
10. homer_jay - Too invested in guessing at setup for my liking, but drew some of it back with his comment on EW liking him to Traf last game
11. jfm10 - similar to Homer and seemed to disappear again.
12. strike wolf - Has kept it VERY neat and must always be scrutinised.
13. Kingm - Has he posted? I can only find something about the goodie bag.

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So, right now I want to poke at the following:
1) Son!c, what's with unvoting and going for no lynch? Feels like a flan in a cupboard.
2) EW, what is going on? Please explain your vote on Son!c and why kong is saying that he reads you loud and clear.
3) Kong, feel free to add to that stuff above.
4) Homer, how do you feel about the stuff going on so far? Do you actually think that EW is scummy?
5) King and Max, could you post, please?

That should be enough for now. Gotta work, too, unfortunately. Could everyone be as goodie two-shoes as me and copy-paste the players into a post commenting on them? I'm not saying we HAVE to lynch, though I prefer it, but we should at least get a claim.

Depending on the answers to the inquiries above, I will vote. If nothing happens, I think I'll vote Son!c or EW.

Anyone with a nice opinion on who Rag would have protected in this list?

[Loose Canon]

Sorry for this mod intervention but as owner and host of this resort I do feel I need to defend the dead when people speak ill of them.

Rag cannot have been the IT idiot - that was and still is me!
However the last part was true - Rag was town and I'm confident is more beautiful than me, even bloodied as he is.

[Extreme Ways]

Rag stinks

[SoN!c]

Rag stinks

After Charle flipped MAFIA COP it was obvious im realy the town sheriff
..
But if you can haggle your way out of this you deserve to win EW.

So haggle away.

[Extreme Ways]

Rag stinks

After Charle flipped MAFIA COP it was obvious im realy the town sheriff
..
But if you can haggle your way out of this you deserve to win EW.

So haggle away.

^Off topic comment. Doesn't answer any of my previous points. Solve me Sonic, show me why I am scummy instead of going "hmmm EW scum".

Because I'm town. Potentially even your underling.

[Extreme Ways]

Question Sonic, why would someone aligned with the mafia antagonise you instead of appease you?

[SoN!c]

Question Sonic, why would someone aligned with the mafia antagonise you instead of appease you?

This is a silver tongue haggle

But you won't even save yourself with a gold tongue.

All D1 play reeks a scum EW.. Then you tried to nodge or gently steer town in your direction. You are also very active. You tend to be more active when scum. Now you realize your antagonising play towards the town sheriff makes you look bad. But only after im well established as town sheriff...AFTER Charle's flip. Before you did everything in your subtile messaging to scummify me.

Vote EW because he is going all in with a two-seven offsuit hand

[Extreme Ways]

I think it makes me look good.

What do I get once I flip town? I'm down for a Chouffe or something next time I'm in Belgium.

[SoN!c]

A chouffe blonde, a Westmalle triple or a brown Orval abbey. I'll add a Westvleteren 12 from my private stash. Because i like you so much. But this is a game and we both know your scum.

[SoN!c]

Orval is brewed in Notre-Dame d'Orval Abbey since 1132!!. This beer has a nice amber colored beer with refermentation in the bottle and has an intense bitterness. This beer has a Templar connection and is supercheap considering it's history and richness taste. You wanna stock up on Orvals at the current price before the rest of the world discovers it..

Westmalle Tripel is a clear, yellowy golden Trappist beer containing 9.5% alcohol. The slow brewing process and secondary fermentation in the bottle produce a complex beer that has a fruity aroma of ripe banana and a lovely nuanced hop nose. The soft and creamy flavour, with its bitter note carried by the fruit aroma, is full of finesse and elegance. Also enjoy the deliciously long, dry finish. The "mother of all Triples": Beer connoisseurs around the world call Westmalle Tripel the “mother of all tripels” as the first Tripel ever was brewed inside abbey walls in 1934 and the taste is superb.

Westvleteren 12 is a masterpiece in its complexity but wonderful in its simplicity. The exquisite smooth taste of caramel and chocolate goes perfectly well with the sweet raisin and nutty notes in the aroma. Together with the firm alcohol percentage, it results in a pleasant full-bodied, long-lasting and warm aftertaste. The Saint-Sixtus Abbey’s archive reveals that the first expenses for a brewery were made in June 1838. Very high price for value tho.

The Brasserie d'Achouffe (French pronunciation: [bʁasʁi daʃuf], lit. 'Brewery of Achouffe') is a Belgian brewery based in Achouffe. It was founded in 1982. The brewery produces 300,000 hectoliters of beer a year, which it exports to 72 countries. The word "Chouffe" itself is said to be a Walloon dialect word meaning gnome, imp, fairy, or elf. Young masterpieces with right pricing.

[Ragian]

Rag stinks

Oi!

[*Pixar*]

I trust our cop to at least get a claim out of him

Vote EW

[Extreme Ways]

I trust our cop to at least get a claim out of him

Vote EW

Do you trust our cop or do you agree with our cop?

Looks like you're just hiding behind Sonic

[Maxleod]

I trust our cop to at least get a claim out of him

Vote EW

Do you trust our cop or do you agree with our cop?

Looks like you're just hiding behind Sonic

You sound like a cornered animal

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Well there is no much to say. i completely missed D2 but afret reading it seems Sonic made a call on Charle and got it right which justifies his claims and is the most solid option.

So really tempted to vote EW.

Holding for now just in case, don't want to rush things if we can find more info today. But what are the chances Cop gets 2 mafia in a row in the firsts 2 nights as well.

EW what is your role?

[homer_jay]

Well there is no much to say. i completely missed D2 but afret reading it seems Sonic made a call on Charle and got it right which justifies his claims and is the most solid option.

So really tempted to vote EW.

Holding for now just in case, don't want to rush things if we can find more info today. But what are the chances Cop gets 2 mafia in a row in the firsts 2 nights as well.

EW what is your role?

Sonic targeting EW is because of day 1 activity. Sonic has said that he got a "no result" when trying to investigate someone last night

waiting for an answer from EW. because he hasn't said much to make himself look innocent. mostly seems like deflecting to me

[SoN!c]

The real question here is why i got no result on EW. The way EW explained it was denied by the mod himself. I think EW knew his explanation was utter bullocks but that bluff could have persuaded lots of peeps in here.. and some here seem to not even notice it because they are just fast scrolling through.

The reason its bluff is that Strike - as nurse - would never have roleblocked the cop. Strike is too good of a player to do that and EW knows that all too well.

The mod clarification was not even needed to know it was some bullgalore.

@EW the Nurse Role as I configured it would have protected only - not roleblocked too.
Apologies if anything I have configured causes confusion from what guests are accustomed to.

The Nurse role didn't come into play though as both Rag and Strike were killed same night.

So im guessing EW is a bit annoyed because the mod intervenend on his bluff poker call. Then again, it's the mods job to clarify stuff too so EW knew it was a gamble. And he got called.

But there are lots of things to say for those who actually play and read.

Like this is Vegas and Vegas is a hooker town. Vegas has the most hookers in the world actually.

I think EW knows the hooker role all too well:

The Hooker is a very common mafia-aligned role, that can prevent most roles from taking actions at night via its roleblock ability. Upon roleblocking a player, any visits that player takes will be nullified. If a player cannot complete a visit for their action, it does not go through.

Pretty sure MAFIA HOOKER roleblocked me and again: EW knows it.

[SoN!c]

Hooker - "chooses one player per Night to block from performing his or her night action".

from https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=List_of_roles

[Extreme Ways]

and im pretty sure I am not a mafia roleblocker.

But now I finally know what you are trying to push me for.

PS the nurse role I am familiar with, would indeed be a reason you survived but got no result.

I am anticipating either 2 factional mafia kills or a serial killer and 1 of the 2 protective roles saved someone night 1.

I said a reason, not the reason. I'll have you look at it from an uninformed perspective, mine:

Rag flipped Doc
Strike flipped backup nurse

not backup doc, backup nurse. Mod later clarified this was backup doc. If a backup nurse is in play, then it must have meant that a normal nurse is also in play. Doc and Nurse are then two distinct roles, with different utility. It makes sense for me to think that whoever was Nurse roleblocked you.

But then mod said that nurse is in fact doc, so that theory goes out of the window. At least mafia has a roleblocker, town may have so too. But explanation of you being roleblocked... why would I even lie about that if I were mafia?

You are not trying to see things from my perspective Sonic. You dont see Nurse and Doctor as two different roles, and never did. I do, because e.g.: https://mafia.gg/guide/roles
ctrl f doc and ctrl f nurse here.Make sure to click "read more" on nurse.

I am vanilla, for now.

Well there is no much to say. i completely missed D2 but afret reading it seems Sonic made a call on Charle and got it right which justifies his claims and is the most solid option.

So really tempted to vote EW.

Holding for now just in case, don't want to rush things if we can find more info today. But what are the chances Cop gets 2 mafia in a row in the firsts 2 nights as well.

EW what is your role?

Sonic targeting EW is because of day 1 activity. Sonic has said that he got a "no result" when trying to investigate someone last night

waiting for an answer from EW. because he hasn't said much to make himself look innocent. mostly seems like deflecting to me

You want me to push a cop claim because hes pushing me in bad faith? I'm not doing that, I'm going to respond to the bogus arguments and see who is joining in without taking accountability.

[Extreme Ways]

Sonic, once you give thread your read on the people following you I will gladly self-vote to be out of this game.

[Extreme Ways]

Sonic, once you give thread your read on the people following you I will gladly self-vote to be out of this game.

and for the record, give your read on the people with the prior that I am town. Feel free to also give your read with the prior of me scum, but you wont need that.

[*Pixar*]

Hooker role actually makes sense. Usually, I can't make any sense out of Son!c . By the looks of it, EW is claiming vanilla, possible but not likely. I'll keep my vote on EW for today.

[SoN!c]

Sonic, once you give thread your read on the people following you I will gladly self-vote to be out of this game.

People who say they will self vote them out of the game are usually scum that know they are caught and try that line as a final attempt to convince town my vanilachoufy friend. But i'll play and make you that list if you do the same.

For the moment im wondering who the mafia hooker is tho. You or your scumbuddy Traf.

[SoN!c]

And please explain why you would think Strike used nurse (the roleblock) on me (other then you - as scum -creating smoke).

[Extreme Ways]

And please explain why you would think Strike used nurse (the roleblock) on me (other then you - as scum -creating smoke).

I didnt think Strike did, because Strike was still vanilla. I thought whoever was the non-backup nurse did to protect you.

I dont feel like Pixar is trying to solve anything. He is following you without exploring the why of it and doesn't try to solve me or my posts. Doesn't try to take any accountability, while also hedging by saying that my claim is possible (but unlikely).

Max is unreadable so probably town by virtue of having enough people in my scumpile.

I think scum-Traf would dodge thread in a more calculated way, and not say that you have a red peek on me. Leaning towards town for that, I think he'd be more in sync with thread as scum.

Homer - meh posting but does correct Traf. Could be scum, definitely not convinced in town.

But I think if we are looking for 2 scum they are in Pix/Dev/Kingm. They have no reason to be in thread or push me.