Apatheist wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2026 3:15 am
jusplay4fun wrote: Tue Jun 16, 2026 8:52 pm
What he said and what He said:
Isaiah 55:8-9
New King James Version
8 “For My thoughts are not your thoughts,
Nor are your ways My ways,” says the Lord.
Weren't we supposed to be built in his image though? Shouldn't that have given us the same thoughts and ways?
Anyway, this is just what some slightly more educated people wanted others to believe in order to keep them calm and under control, there's no evidence that anyone of that time said any such thing.
As for what people said:
“I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day.”
― Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt: Hitchhiking the Galaxy One Last Time
"no evidence"? I disagree.
And Apatheist missed the point, again. Made is His image does not mean we KNOW that much; I would argue man cannot know anything CLOSE to what God knows, NOT Yet. To me, this is like approaching Absolute Zero.
Let me add another note; I cannot recall citing it recently. To me, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle points to a fundamental limit to what we can know. Yes, that limit, the level of uncertainty, is very small, but like the Big Bang, puts a limit on things.
I like to think I have the AWE of understanding AND the AWE of His Creation; I also know that I am ignorant of LOTS. One can be both intelligent while ignorant. It has been said that when a scientist answers ONE question that at least TEN MORE questions then arise. Again, discoveries lead to more questions and thus more ignorance. One should approach Learning with a sense of being humble and being humbled.
My search for fundamental Truth(s) keeps me humble. I find answers in His Creation (both in Science and as revealed in Religion, too) and in his words (Religion), too. To discard Religion leaves LOTS of understanding OFF the table.
and, from AI:
To understand Bronowski's perspective on Heisenberg's principle, consider the following points:
Bronowski emphasized the philosophical implications of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
He argued that uncertainty is fundamental to the nature of reality and knowledge.
The principle challenges classical notions of determinism in physics.
Bronowski believed it reflects the limits of human understanding and observation.
He connected the principle to broader themes in science and human creativity.
Bronowski viewed uncertainty as a source of potential rather than a limitation.
and more:
Why Bronowski Matters
Fifty years after the broadcast of his landmark documentary series, ‘The Ascent of Man,’ Jacob Bronowski’s plea for tolerance and reason remain as relevant as ever
It was 50 years ago that Jacob Bronowski’s blockbuster miniseries “The Ascent of Man” set a new standard for documentary filmmaking. The BBC had commissioned the 13-hour history of science in part to show off its new color broadcasting technology, and the series featured brilliant cinematography and special effects that were cutting-edge for the time. But the element that made “Ascent” a masterpiece was Bronowski himself.
A superb extemporaneous speaker, with an equal passion for science and the humanities, the 65-year-old polymath ad-libbed large segments of the series, peppering it with the philosophical insights he had accumulated since his student days at Cambridge. And he did so with an infectious enthusiasm that drew viewers in and inspired them with the drama of ideas—especially with his own humanist philosophy of reason, freedom and peace. A half-century after the premiere of “Ascent,” it’s astonishing to discover that while some of the scientific findings it described have been overtaken by newer research, the deeper lessons its host tried to teach remain as timely as ever.
https://www.discoursemagazine.com/p/why ... ki-matters
and even MORE:
Now More Than Ever, We Need Jacob Bronowski
By Ben Fulton
December 8, 2023
My first memory of this wonderful series stems from peeking into the living room of my childhood daycare, where my adult minders were held rapt by Bronowski’s gentle but formidable narration. I read the book by the same name—nearly a transcript of the televised series—in my early twenties. When it was reissued on DVD in 2006, I leaped at the chance to purchase it. I have done my best to watch it every two or three years since. If any one title could be called the “Sopranos of documentary TV,” surely this is it. David Attenborough excelled at bringing intimate shots of the natural world into our living rooms. Carl Sagan may have had more charm to his enthusiasm with Cosmos. No one tells our American stories better than Ken Burns. Still, it is Bronowski who stands atop them all with his universal vision of humanity, his breadth of knowledge, and his quiet urgency.
https://commonreader.wustl.edu/now-more ... bronowski/
